The pow wow

[monoccular 16,465]

13 hours ago, COVID Dan said:

Time will tell 

Drop the next 4 and loading might be irrelevant.

b win the next six and we won’t care

[Smokey 4,179]

Nice call on the smashing of freo @binman

[binman 39,152]

33 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Club taking the [censored] in the media this week. Classic.

Yep.

Playing 'ruthless' bingo.

Goal - how many times can we collectively say ruthless 

 And how often can we make footy media say ruthless?

[binman 39,152]

47 minutes ago, djr said:

You appear to have good contacts within the club and, understandably, wish to protect them by revealing information in the form of an opinion piece. If that is the case, please accept my gratitude. Your "theories" about loading have been insightful, whether they are your own ideas or information obtained from other sources.

Unfortunately I don't have any contacts at all at the club to be 100% honest.

The May intel was one of the very few rimes I have been privy to such info, and was not via the club.

Mentioning it probably sounded a bit try hard, clever clogsy, which is a touch embarrassing.

I wish I could say I had inside intel about loading, but my thoughts on loading all derive from observation (i mean the eyes dont lie - you can see when players are fatigued), assessment of the evidence and application of the Occam's razor principle. 

[Neil Crompton 4,882]

Congrats @binman, luv your work. (Seems you are not toast after all). Perhaps you could apply for an analysis role on Fox. You’d eat them all.

(of course if we lose next week….)

[Lucifers Hero 37,357]

So now we have this grand conspiracy where key club leaders (Richardson, Goodwin, Petracca, Brayshaw) are conning the media? 

For what end?

Implied in this thread it is to not fess up that we are loading?

Really, I would have thought saying nothing or a few straight bat words around training loads etc would be a lot less embarrassing than admitting to complacency, arrogance, lack of ruthlessness, lack of buy-in.

The media are generally idiots and after click bait.  Why on earth would our club waste time to con them?  Not to mention to spend time getting our leaders to all sing from the same song book!  

I don't for a minute believe everything that comes out from the club.  But to think this weeks meeting and club commentary is just a charade to fool the stupid media is insulting to the club.

Edited July 29, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[ManDee 7,093]

14 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

Well we definitely learnt not to listen to what Gus says in the media. 

“I won't be making a decision any time soon” 

2 days later, bang, 6 year deal. 
 

I wonder if that was because he had already signed?

[1964_2 2,357]

18 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

So now we have this grand conspiracy where key club leaders (Richardson, Goodwin, Petracca, Brayshaw) are conning the media? 

For what end?

Implied in this thread it is to not fess up that we are loading?

Really, I would have thought saying nothing or a few straight bat words around training loads etc would be a lot less embarrassing than admitting to complacency, arrogance, lack of ruthlessness, lack of buy-in.

The media are generally idiots and after click bait.  Why on earth would our club waste time to con them?  Not to mention to spend time getting our leaders to all sing from the same song book!  

I don't for a minute believe everything that comes out from the club.  But to think this weeks meeting and club commentary is just a charade to fool the stupid media is insulting to the club.

Luci, why did we suddenly run out the game for 4 quarters for the first time in a couple of months? (Other than the Lions game, where we had a rest week, coming off the bye) 

 

[Lucifers Hero 37,357]

Just now, 1964_2 said:

Luci, why did we suddenly run out the game for 4 quarters for the first time in a couple of months? (Other than the Lions game, where we had a rest week, coming off the bye) 

 

I could list a few reasons but then we go down that 'rabbit hole' again so I won't.

My post was about the idea the club set out to con the media.  For what?

[mauriesy 6,863]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Yep.

Playing 'ruthless' bingo.

Goal - how many times can we collectively say ruthless 

 And how often can we make footy media say ruthless?

I think you get a bonus when due to "ruthlessness" the opposition is called "hapless".

[1964_2 2,357]

6 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I could list a few reasons but then we go down that 'rabbit hole' again so I won't.

My post was about the idea the club set out to con the media.  For what?

It’s got nothing to do with a media con. Has got to do with releasing information that suits you. 

Why give away intel that would be useful for your opposition. 
 

Edited July 30, 2022 by 1964_2

[binman 39,152]

22 hours ago, mauriesy said:

I think you get a bonus when due to "ruthlessness" the opposition is called "hapless".

And extra points for getting an 'analyst' to say any variation on 'see, there's still a place for an old fashion rev up in footy'

You watch, king will say it 20 times before the week is out!

Edited July 30, 2022 by binman

[binman 39,152]

6 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

I

 

Edited July 30, 2022 by binman

[Lucifers Hero 37,357]

14 hours ago, BW511 said:

Could the talk of ‘ruthlessness’ be a little bit of code for being fresh.

If we come out firing tonight, it looks to most like an attitude issue that we adjusted, when in reality it was just getting to the end of the loading period and we can actually cover the ground required to be ruthless.

 

14 hours ago, binman said:

Exactly my thought 

 

13 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

Exactly.

The club knew we would be significantly better this week. And also know how dumb the media are, so they have planted the narrative pre game “pow wow”, “ruthlessness”, “hunger” etc 

whatever. 
 

 

10 hours ago, 1964_2 said:

Hook, line and sinker. Watch every stupid media commentator say for the next week, how we have magically re-discovered our “ruthlessness”, “fitness”, and “defensive game”. 

And most painful of all will be Kingy claiming he was correct in identifying the “pow wow” as a turning point. 

 

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Club taking the [censored] in the media this week. Classic.

 

3 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

It’s got nothing to do with a media con. Has got to do with releasing information that suits you. 

Why give away intel that would be useful for your opposition. 
 

I don't think it was a media con at all.

But the above posts sound like a few here believe it was.

What intel would we be giving away?  If anything the comments by our leaders this week should have prepared Freo for what we actually did last night?

[binman 39,152]

3 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

It’s got nothing to do with a media con. Has got to do with releasing information that suits you. 
 

Exactly.

Control the narrative. It's communication 101.

Everything scripted, repetition of key messages by all club people doing media. In this case ruthless.

Which we were. From start to finish. 

As the club knew we were going to have the legs to do so. 

Smart stuff by the club.

 

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

I just want to provide a slightly alternative view to what you have been hearing from the club in the last week or so.

 The way to maximise the result of physical stress is to improve your mental application. Loading and the effect of fatigue is not overcome only with your body, you largely overcome it with your mind - mental toughness. If you sit around telling your players that everything is going to be fine when we drop the loads, you kill better than half the benefit of loading. The way to maximise the benefit is to get players to focus on and improve the things that they can control even while they are desperately fatigued.

 Because of this, it is absolutely to the clubs advantage to apply the loads and then talk only about ruthlessness, selflessness and application. This is getting the players to focus on what they can control. If they do that, not only do they increase their physical endurance, they increase their mental endurance at the same time.

So what we’re are hearing from the players and the coaches is not a lie, it is what they need to believe to get the maximum benefit from the loading. 

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

Christ almighty it's a comedy in here. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

So now we have this grand conspiracy where key club leaders (Richardson, Goodwin, Petracca, Brayshaw) are conning the media? 

For what end?

Implied in this thread it is to not fess up that we are loading?

Really, I would have thought saying nothing or a few straight bat words around training loads etc would be a lot less embarrassing than admitting to complacency, arrogance, lack of ruthlessness, lack of buy-in.

The media are generally idiots and after click bait.  Why on earth would our club waste time to con them?  Not to mention to spend time getting our leaders to all sing from the same song book!  

I don't for a minute believe everything that comes out from the club.  But to think this weeks meeting and club commentary is just a charade to fool the stupid media is insulting to the club.

Exactly.

Personally I believe in the loading and am on record about it, but to think that's the only thing happening at the club and to think they all got together and said 'let's troll the media by saying "ruthless" lots this week' is one of the silliest things I've read on Demonland.

Edited July 30, 2022 by Lord Nev

[binman 39,152]

57 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I wonder if that was because he had already signed?

Of course he had.

Which makes his media work trolling of the highest order. 

I mean two days before it was announced he did an Interview that had some demonland posters convinced he was gone

 

[Little Goffy 12,809]

@binman You must have been chuckling and feeling very, very correct during some parts of our third quarter.

There was a stretch there which may actually be the best three or four minutes of continuous team and zone defence I've ever seen. Freo switched the ball three times, went backwards, tried anything, and it just kept getting snuffed out.

It was an absolute masterclass.

[1964_2 2,357]

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Exactly.

Personally I believe in the loading and am record about it, but to think that's the only thing happening at the club and to think they all go together and said 'let's troll the media by saying "ruthless" lots this week' is one of the silliest things I've read on Demonland.

 

Making stuff up most likely to bait a response. Good for you. 

You and Luci came up with those words, re con / trolling the media. 

The club like all clubs, and like always is selective in what it releases to the media. Fact. 
 

There is no criticism or judgement on Melb in its PR approach. flashinthepan’s comments make a lot of sense also. Reinforce a message in the media, that may flow through to players and get them focused on what they can control. 
 

There 100% is criticism and judgement on the media for not having the ability to analyse things a bit more deeply and see that last nights performance was driven by more than just a “pow wow” and “ruthlessness” 

Over and out. Have a great day! 

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Exactly.

Personally I believe in the loading and am on record about it, but to think that's the only thing happening at the club and to think they all got together and said 'let's troll the media by saying "ruthless" lots this week' is one of the silliest things I've read on Demonland.

It’s not trolling, it is reinforcing the message. Read my post above

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, FlashInThePan said:

It’s not trolling, it is reinforcing the message. Read my post above

Wasn't directed at you mate. Hadn't actually read your post when I commented. Just had a read and it's a good post, completely agree, and it's what I'm getting at here - it's not one thing or the other, it's a combination of things.

[binman 39,152]

15 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

It’s not trolling, it is reinforcing the message. Read my post above

Smart by the club.

Helps calibrate fans expectations too.

By that I mean, it's clearly not a coincidence the club didn't come our with the ruthless message last week.

We weren't ready, so would not have been able to back it up on field.

We were this week, and the message is get ready fans we will go up a gear and our journey to tbe summit has started after a period of plateauing and getting things right half way up the mountain.

Then we go out and absolutely make sure the words aren't hollow.

I'll say it again, very smart by the club.

Edited July 30, 2022 by binman

[Binmans PA 26,565]

39 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Christ almighty it's a comedy in here. 

Speaking of comedy, Steve, you were a pretty big wrap for poor old Weids weren't you?

26 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Exactly.

Personally I believe in the loading and am on record about it, but to think that's the only thing happening at the club and to think they all got together and said 'let's troll the media by saying "ruthless" lots this week' is one of the silliest things I've read on Demonland.

Mate, again, where has anyone said this?

24 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

@binman You must have been chuckling and feeling very, very correct during some parts of our third quarter.

There was a stretch there which may actually be the best three or four minutes of continuous team and zone defence I've ever seen. Freo switched the ball three times, went backwards, tried anything, and it just kept getting snuffed out.

It was an absolute masterclass.

That third quarter was our best defensive effort of the year. Sublime.