Unlikely though it seems I think TMac's performance in the VFL tomorrow will strongly influence Grundy's future for this season at least

59 minutes ago, Redleg said:

What, one wet evening game will decide whether he stays or goes? 

I think whether he goes or stays is really up to him and it will be based on more than just tonight.

I think given the current situation, we are happy to keep him and honour his contract. 

How is it up to him? There is a contract in place. If we want him, we keep him. We need him.

If Gawn was to go down (again) who have we got? JvR no. TMac useless as a ruckman. No one at Casey.

7 minutes ago, M_9 said:

How is it up to him? There is a contract in place. If we want him, we keep him. We need him.

If Gawn was to go down (again) who have we got? JvR no. TMac useless as a ruckman. No one at Casey.

If Grundy asks to leave and we can do a good deal, we will accomodate him. 

That’s how we operate.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

What, one wet evening game will decide whether he stays or goes? 

I think whether he goes or stays is really up to him and it will be based on more than just tonight.

I think given the current situation, we are happy to keep him and honour his contract. 

But is he Mr Leg?

5 minutes ago, old dee said:

But is he Mr Leg?

Ask him. 

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

If Grundy asks to leave and we can do a good deal, we will accomodate him. 

That’s how we operate.

Agree if Grundy was anything but a ruckman. We can cover every other position on the ground. For the games that Max missed who would have rucked?

50 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Agree if Grundy was anything but a ruckman. We can cover every other position on the ground. For the games that Max missed who would have rucked?

I am not arguing, I am just saying if he wants to leave we won’t force him to stay.

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I am not arguing, I am just saying if he wants to leave we won’t force him to stay.

If he plays a poor game tonight will he get dropped? I think he is  like Max he plays best when he is number 0ne and rucks most of the game. 

 

19 minutes ago, old dee said:

If he plays a poor game tonight will he get dropped? I think he is  like Max he plays best when he is number 0ne and rucks most of the game. 

 

I don’t know.

We have problems with our key forwards now and I am unsure of what the makeup will be for the remaining games.

it's not working

it is a real shame

it should've been a point of difference for us

instead it's become a hindrance to our style of play

40 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

it's not working

it is a real shame

it should've been a point of difference for us

instead it's become a hindrance to our style of play

Agree and Max was bog ordinary tonight!

Interesting exercise, which player are you taking - left or right?

15 hours ago, Redleg said:

I don’t know.

We have problems with our key forwards now and I am unsure of what the makeup will be for the remaining games.

We don't have any key fwds Rl.

Well we have one. A young first year kid who tries his guts out every week and does well considering he's still developing.

All our four key fwds out injured.

Every club would struggle under this. 

And as for Melksham he's either on or off and explains why he's been in the Magoo's for two years.

Schache isn't up to it either.

That's five of them not in the picture. It's a pretty tough situation for any club.

Unless Fritta comes back and fires I can't see us winning a flag. And even if he does it Will still be tough without another key tall.

We have a great backline but they can't do it all.

Maybe the club should have done more when Bbb and Tmac showed signs of injury and form drop but it's hard to fight dumb luck sometimes.

 

I am over the Grundy experiment.

We just can't afford to have  a ruckman or forward who struggles to mark.

It's fundamental skill of the game.

He's good at tap work and below his knees but marking always takes precedence.

And you can't train it into someone.

20 hours ago, M_9 said:

Agree if Grundy was anything but a ruckman. We can cover every other position on the ground. For the games that Max missed who would have rucked?

Schache with JVR as the chop out.

That combo would be no better or worse than Grundy at this point in a ruck sense.

Probably better as we would have ourselves a capable forward who can kick a goal or two most games.

Grundy lucky to score one goal every other game.  He isn't a part-time forward and not sure why the FD keep talking about trying to  improve his game here.

Very average player all round now post injury.  Has minor moments where he looks reasonable but that's it.

Ppl need to get over the fact that he's some sort of 'impact' player or will turn into one.

His AA days are well behind him unfortunately.  Didn't impress in his two matches at VFL level yet still got a call up.

Very costly recall last night and poor selection given the conditions.  Probably cost us the game imo.

Edited August 13, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

At this point last season, Goodwin locked in Jackson and Gawn alternating forward at the expense of a 2nd permanent key forward. It really never looked potent enough but Goodwin persisted with it until 5 minutes were left against Brisbane when he swung Petty forward.

It was much the same last night with Grundy and Gawn. I don’t know where that leaves Grundy - whether Goodwin is bold enough to leave him out next week and whether we can afford to keep him in the same side with one of TMac or Brown.

It’s a tough situation. Really, the only clear positive is that if Gawn goes down, we know we have top tier insurance.

Edited August 13, 20231 yr by wisedog

Four tall forwards injured and one ineffectual in any form of crowd.

Not our year guys

bbb being injured today after a bye doesn't auger well even for those of us who are desperate.

TMac might provide some definition to the forward structure but I doubt that we can expect the TMac of old

 

Um, I think my views are quite known when it comes to the Grundy Experiment but we are going to play a QF for a chance to have a home PF…

So things are not as bleak as some seem to think…

41 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Four tall forwards injured and one ineffectual in any form of crowd.

Not our year guys

bbb being injured today after a bye doesn't auger well even for those of us who are desperate.

TMac might provide some definition to the forward structure but I doubt that we can expect the TMac of old

 

How many effective tall forwards do the Pies have? Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Get on board ffs. Its not our year... until we win the QF and suddenly it might just be again?

Edited August 13, 20231 yr by John Demonic

11 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

How many effective tall forwards do the Pies have? Plenty of ways to skin a cat. Get on board ffs. Its not our year... until we win the QF and suddenly it might just be again?

Pies play a different style. Run and skilled delivery at chest level to a leading small forward with Mihochek providing the taller marking option on the lead

We can dream but it's never been in our gameplan

Despite all his attributes he brings to the game.  He doesn’t fit into our current structure when you compare to the alternate forwards, we really missed petty last night and Grundy is not even close as a forward. 

It's just a bit of a suspicion but I think Grundy's been a tad 'Melburnised' 

He doesn't seem to play with the same dash and dare he did at the Filth. Its as though he's trying to do too much that's not quite him. 

E.g.  coming through the guts he hand passes ( hospital varietal)  when he should have eyed up an entry kick into the fifty..noy necessarily at someone but where they could run onto.

Just one instance...but there were others.

Always doing the seeming 'team' thing..  I want players to do the "best" thing...according to the moment.

Am not slighting him as i feel he's constrained... jmo.

3 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Schache with JVR as the chop out.

…

Currently watching Casey. Nearly half time. Have yet to see either Schache or TMac touch the ball.

Trade Grundy by all means but pray Max doesn’t get injured. There is no back up.

4 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Currently watching Casey. Nearly half time. Have yet to see either Schache or TMac touch the ball.

Trade Grundy by all means but pray Max doesn’t get injured. There is no back up.

Jason Taylor said at Trade time that's why he selected Schache.  He was the break-glass option if Max went down as makeshift ruck

5 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Jason Taylor said at Trade time that's why he selected Schache.  He was the break-glass option if Max went down as makeshift ruck

That wont be the best of outcomes should that have transpired.

Disappointed in the Shack..  another of those ..nqr for AFL ...  

He's not the answer  ( i now realise and concede )