On 11/10/2022 at 04:35, DeeSpencer said:

2019 draft: Geelong trade pick 27 for GC mid first round free pick.

2020 trade period: Geelong trade 3 first rounders  (2 of them barely) to GWS for Jeremy Cameron, including the GC pick (by this stage pick 15)

2020 draft: Geelong trade a future first for Max Holmes, stealing him from us. They wouldn’t have had a future first if they used it in the GWS trade. Ie. The suns trade the year previous freed up that pick

2021 trade: Cats trade for pick 7. Demons unable to trade up from pick 13 for what would’ve been an excellent target pick 

In other words, the GC got benefits. The GC gave those benefits to the Cats. The Cats screw us.

2021 prelim: Melbourne smash the Cats by an incredible 83 points and make them look like little puddy cats.

Edited October 11, 20222 yr by Action Jackson

  On 11/10/2022 at 04:35, DeeSpencer said:

2019 draft: Geelong trade pick 27 for GC mid first round free pick.

2020 trade period: Geelong trade 3 first rounders  (2 of them barely) to GWS for Jeremy Cameron, including the GC pick (by this stage pick 15)

2020 draft: Geelong trade a future first for Max Holmes, stealing him from us. They wouldn’t have had a future first if they used it in the GWS trade. Ie. The suns trade the year previous freed up that pick

2021 trade: Cats trade for pick 7. Demons unable to trade up from pick 13 for what would’ve been an excellent target pick 

In other words, the GC got benefits. The GC gave those benefits to the Cats. The Cats screw us.

We used GC to get ND3 that got us Oliver in 2015…

 

 

  On 11/10/2022 at 04:57, rpfc said:

We used GC to get ND3 that got us Oliver in 2015…

 

In a trade we paid fair value for, not in a deal that was based upon our CEO dishing up free picks to the Suns in his former job 

Can someone explain the Bowes deal to me? I know Geelong are doing the Suns a favour by taking on the contract, by why is there such a high pick thrown in??

Bowes isn't a spud so how on earth is it so heavily weighted in the Cats favour?

It really does seem like a case of the rich getting richer and massively unfair for the rest of the comp.

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:09, Demonland said:

 

Hopper for 31!

Tigers and Cats will be top 4 next year

  On 11/10/2022 at 02:10, DubDee said:

Let’s hope like hell that Lobb gets to Freo. With him and Logue gone they have few tall fwd options. 

Death Ride FREO!

That'd be a 360 degree turn up for the books. 

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:14, Mike said:

Can someone explain the Bowes deal to me? I know Geelong are doing the Suns a favour by taking on the contract, by why is there such a high pick thrown in??

Bowes isn't a spud so how on earth is it so heavily weighted in the Cats favour?

It really does seem like a case of the rich getting richer and massively unfair for the rest of the comp.

I wish I could mate. It’s a fkking joke!

 

  On 11/10/2022 at 03:53, Jaded No More said:

DISGRACEFUL! 

It’s only a rort if you’re not involved!

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:14, Mike said:

Can someone explain the Bowes deal to me? I know Geelong are doing the Suns a favour by taking on the contract, by why is there such a high pick thrown in??

Bowes isn't a spud so how on earth is it so heavily weighted in the Cats favour?

It really does seem like a case of the rich getting richer and massively unfair for the rest of the comp.

Geelong effectively purchased pick 7.

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:11, DeeSpencer said:

In a trade we paid fair value for, not in a deal that was based upon our CEO dishing up free picks to the Suns in his former job 

Maybe. But we got a Demon God out of that deal.

Might be time to build a bridge people…

  On 10/10/2022 at 07:03, deejammin' said:

Compare the pair:

JHF 1st year average mid = Pick 3 and a future first

Luke Jackson top flight ruck, premiership player, rising star= Pick 13 Future first, future second 

I know pick 1 was involved and 2+ 40+43 doesn’t make up all of that but FMD.

Jackson - top flight?

JHF - average?

Wow. I must have been watching the comp in a parallel universe in 2022.

 

Tigers doing very well this trade period

  On 11/10/2022 at 04:36, Redleg said:

But only because we couldn't do it.

 

 

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:18, The Jackson FIX said:

It’s only a rort if you’re not involved!

Of course if Melbourne got that deal I would be over the moon, but the reality is that this is a one sided trade and makes a mockery of the draft, trade week and list management practices. 

You can't just throw away top 10 draft picks because you overcooked your books and need to get rid of contracted players. 

I am the first person to get annoyed at players holding clubs over a barrel, but likewise you can't commit to players for long term on big dollars, then go "oh noes" and then do a stupid deal to dump them.

It's akin to Melbourne going "soz Oliver we can't honour your 7 year deal... please go to Geelong and we will give Geelong pick 7 as well". WTF?! 

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:14, Mike said:

Can someone explain the Bowes deal to me? I know Geelong are doing the Suns a favour by taking on the contract, by why is there such a high pick thrown in??

Bowes isn't a spud so how on earth is it so heavily weighted in the Cats favour?

It really does seem like a case of the rich getting richer and massively unfair for the rest of the comp.

One - Suns are recalibrating player payments to allow for increased contracts for some of their young stars and attracting recruits.

Two  - Bowes is on 800K a year for 23/24 because of ill thought through backending. If they want his money out of the cap he is contracted so he chooses the destination club.

Three - The Pick 7 is price for taking on the bad contract in full. 

Similar to Dees only paying Pick 27 for Grundy and not taking on his full contract.

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:40, Jaded No More said:

 

 

You can't just throw away top 10 draft picks because you overcooked your books and need to get rid of contracted players. 

I am the first person to get annoyed at players holding clubs over a barrel, but likewise you can't commit to players for long term on big dollars, then go "oh noes" and then do a stupid deal to dump them.

Why can't you?

You stuff up, want to fix it and throw in a pick with a player, to get rid of him and his contract. The only reason we are all excited is because it is a high pick. We have seen player and pick swaps before. The only difference here is that it's pick 7.

BTW, Grundy says hello.

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:49, demoniac said:

One - Suns are recalibrating player payments to allow for increased contracts for some of their young stars and attracting recruits.

Two  - Bowes is on 800K a year for 23/24 because of ill thought through backending. If they want his money out of the cap he is contracted so he chooses the destination club.

Three - The Pick 7 is price for taking on the bad contract in full. 

Similar to Dees only paying Pick 27 for Grundy and not taking on his full contract.

Four: Gold Coast are incompetent. Rather than split pick 7 and send Bowes to market, possibly with a 200k wiped off his wage they offer pick 7 straight up.

Essendon, North, Hawthorn are desperate  for high picks. Desperate. They’d do exactly what Geelong have done with the contract for a far lesser pick.

The Suns could’ve split pick 7 and to 2 picks in the teens and used 2 picks to dump 2 players they didn’t like and saved even more money. 

But Gold Coast are just ordinary and don’t seem to be getting any better at managing their list. Even as their team improves and matures they seem keen to make more mistakes.

Edited October 11, 20222 yr by DeeSpencer

Even if they didn’t split the pick The Suns also should’ve said we’re only dealing with Essendon or Hawthorn. Giving Geelong a leg up hurts them as well as the rest of the comp.

Can just about rule out the Suns taking Jhye Clark with pick 5 in the draft. They’d may as well trade him on draft night.

I thought the draft and the order, was about equalising the talent across the competition. I want closer games not blow outs.

Destination clubs are effecting the balance.

Management,  of the club lists and player renumeration need to be done better, so as to get fair compensation and teams high on the ladder shouldn't get a leg up.

The clubs down the ladder may stay there for several season if the AFL allows the "poaching" of picks and players.

Geelong have to be happy, as are us.

North, Gold coast, wow!

Edited October 11, 20222 yr by kev martin

The AFL needs to arrange a 24 panel and investigate the debacle that is Gold Coast.

  On 11/10/2022 at 06:37, layzie said:

The AFL needs to arrange a 24 panel and investigate the debacle that is Gold Coast.

Outrageous to think they got draft assistance only a few years ago.

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:21, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Jackson - top flight?

JHF - average?

Wow. I must have been watching the comp in a parallel universe in 2022.

 

Ok, name how many AFL ruckmen you would pick before Jackson then name how many AFL mids you would have before JHF. 
For me, there’s at most five rucks I’d pick before Jackson (Gawn, Witts, Darcy, Hickey, Stanley) there’s a HUGE number of mids I’d pick before JHF (Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Dangerfield, Neale, Bontempelli, Liberatore, Treloar, Boak, Wines, Parker, Warner, Crisp, Miller, Rowell, Anderson, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewitt, Kennedy, Brayshaw, Serong, Laird, Keays, Taranto, Hopper, Martin, Cunnington, the list goes on.)

JHF May become a top mid, he may not, Jackson is a top ruck right now. His games against Brisbane mid season and Gold Coast early were better than anything JHF did all year. Not to mention how he went in the 2021 GF. He’s streets ahead in a position that’s harder to fill.

  On 11/10/2022 at 06:44, deejammin' said:

Ok, name how many AFL ruckmen you would pick before Jackson then name how many AFL mids you would have before JHF. 
For me, there’s at most five rucks I’d pick before Jackson (Gawn, Witts, Darcy, Hickey, Stanley) there’s a HUGE number of mids I’d pick before JHF (Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Dangerfield, Neale, Bontempelli, Liberatore, Treloar, Boak, Wines, Parker, Warner, Crisp, Miller, Rowell, Anderson, Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewitt, Kennedy, Brayshaw, Serong, Laird, Keays, Taranto, Hopper, Martin, Cunnington, the list goes on.)

JHF May become a top mid, he may not, Jackson is a top ruck right now. His games against Brisbane mid season and Gold Coast early were better than anything JHF did all year. Not to mention how he went in the 2021 GF. He’s streets ahead in a position that’s harder to fill.

Premiership teams are built around midfields, not ruckmen. You left out Nankervis who is a triple premiership ruckman. Dogs won a flag with Jordon Roughead as their no.1 ruck. When we flogged the Cats in 2021, Stanley was considered a dud. Hickey is a journeyman. Witts was a discard. 

Jackson is not a top flight ruckman yet. He may be in the future. But I'd guarantee that JHF will be a very good/gun midfielder.