Trade and Free Agency rumours

[layzie 34,528]

33 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But was only interviewed yesterday for the first time, after he said he was available.

Is this a minute of the Interview?

Coaching Committee head Robert Walls asks B. Scott do you want to Coach Essendon FC.

B. Scott answers in the affirmative.

R. Walls congratulates Scott on being appointed Coach.

J. Lewis asks R. Walls what are Scott's plans for the club.

K.Sheedy and D. Barham sitting in, tell Lewis to shut up and mind his own business.

Lewis stands and asks where he collects his payment.

Meeting ends, drinks are provided.

Phone rings, S. Dank on the line asking if anyone has found his missing files yet.

Tea and croissants are also provided and the voice mail is banking up with unreturned calls from J Hird. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

18 hours ago, Cheap Seats said:

Pick 7 for Lobb and change.

Pick 7 to dees with Freo 1st for Jackson.

Funny how it all works out.

 

If it pans out like that I'd say the deals were  done a while ago.

 

I was laughed at when I suggested Pick 11, so the change would need to be Freos future 1st.

[layzie 34,528]

7 minutes ago, CYB said:

I was laughed at when I suggested Pick 11, so the change would need to be Freos future 1st.

What was yours again? 11 for Lobb and 29? 

[Fat Tony 5,337]

18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I actually think that is a good effort, when you have 3 blokes hanging off you at every contest and it's not kicked to you once, but bombed high into the left pocket.

Weideman kicked 13 goals from 10 games (including one in the ruck against Adelaide and two as second ruck against Hawthorn and Brisbane) and was similarly effective to Brown in terms of scoring as a forward. Weideman is considered hopeless on Demonland while Brown is hailed as a champion.

Both these players need to average 2.5 goals per game to be accretive because they are both hopeless on the deck and offer little pressure.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

2 hours ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

 

To be fair, they were in discussions with B Scott for 3 weeks apparently. 
But Essendon are still are weird, horribly fascinating ****show.

Yeah but ..... as I understand it that communication was outside the committee process.

[Willmoy1947 4,259]

The Geelong/TWSNBN connection will be continuing..

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[layzie 34,528]

10 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Weideman kicked 13 goals from 10 games (including one in the ruck against Adelaide and two as second ruck against Hawthorn and Brisbane) and was similarly effective to Brown in terms of scoring as a forward. Weideman is considered hopeless on Demonland while Brown is hailed as a champion.

Both these players need to average 2.5 goals per game to be accretive because they are both hopeless on the deck and offer little pressure.

Plenty of Brown baggers on DL as well don't you worry about that.

[Return to Glory 8,518]

16 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Yeah but ..... as I understand it that communication was outside the committee process.

It's not bad, is it BBO. They ask blokes like Yze to follow through a four to five step process to demonstrate their professionalism and dedication to the cause. Meanwhile, they find out it's a done deal.

[DeeSpencer 26,667]

29 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Weideman kicked 13 goals from 10 games (including one in the ruck against Adelaide and two as second ruck against Hawthorn and Brisbane) and was similarly effective to Brown in terms of scoring as a forward. Weideman is considered hopeless on Demonland while Brown is hailed as a champion.

Both these players need to average 2.5 goals per game to be accretive because they are both hopeless on the deck and offer little pressure.

We don’t get the stats but I think they’d show Brown halved something like 60% of contests (at least in the first 2.5 quarters of games) where Weid was probably about 30%. That number matters as much if not more than goals.

I don’t think we’ll go in to 2023 with either of them in the first choice 22 though. Weid’s our 3rd ruck. Brown’s a back up key forward. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

We don’t get the stats but I think they’d show Brown halved something like 60% of contests (at least in the first 2.5 quarters of games) where Weid was probably about 30%. That number matters as much if not more than goals.

I don’t think we’ll go in to 2023 with either of them in the first choice 22 though. Weid’s our 3rd ruck. Brown’s a back up key forward. 

From July this year...

Ben Brown has been targeted inside 50m one-on-one 45 times this season. He has taken one mark from those battles — a junk-time grab on Marcus Adams (Lions) late in the fourth quarter. He has been out-marked eight times.

Early Tackle: Sam Landsberger’s Likes and Dislikes from round 17

This 'halving contest' stuff around Brown is rubbish. He was terrible this year.

"That number matters as much if not more than goals." Seriously. You don't truly believe that right?

Edited September 30, 2022 by Lord Nev

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

39 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

It's not bad, is it BBO. They ask blokes like Yze to follow through a four to five step process to demonstrate their professionalism and dedication to the cause. Meanwhile, they find out it's a done deal.

Yes RTG - it’s a ****ty way to conduct business …… but not really surprising I guess!

[OhMyDees 1,834]

Would we get any compensation if we lost Hunt to the Eagles?

[Roger Mellie 4,205]

3 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

Would we get any compensation if we lost Hunt to the Eagles?

My guess would be a start or end of 3rd round

[dazzledavey36 56,274]

4 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

Would we get any compensation if we lost Hunt to the Eagles?

Depending on his salary, I assume its going to be a 3rd round draft pick.

[DeeSpencer 26,667]

22 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

From July this year...

Ben Brown has been targeted inside 50m one-on-one 45 times this season. He has taken one mark from those battles — a junk-time grab on Marcus Adams (Lions) late in the fourth quarter. He has been out-marked eight times.

Early Tackle: Sam Landsberger’s Likes and Dislikes from round 17

This 'halving contest' stuff around Brown is rubbish. He was terrible this year.

"That number matters as much if not more than goals." Seriously. You don't truly believe that right?

Yes, I do.

Clean one on one goal kicking chances are so rare against good defenders/backlines. Even the very best key forwards barely average 3 goals a game, and those averages are jacked up by performances against bad sides.

Brown ran out of puff in games, often he could barely run in last quarters.

And I think we need at least 1 tall alongside Fritsch who can have a least a little scoreboard impact.

But it can be as little as 1.5 goals a game if you’re bringing it to ground. Every AFL coach talks about the importance of that. They aren’t all lying or idiots. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Yes, I do.

Clean one on one goal kicking chances are so rare against good defenders/backlines. Even the very best key forwards barely average 3 goals a game, and those averages are jacked up by performances against bad sides.

Brown ran out of puff in games, often he could barely run in last quarters.

And I think we need at least 1 tall alongside Fritsch who can have a least a little scoreboard impact.

But it can be as little as 1.5 goals a game if you’re bringing it to ground. Every AFL coach talks about the importance of that. They aren’t all lying or idiots. 

I'd take a goal over the chance of possibly getting goal any day.

'Bringing the ball to ground is more important than goals' is one of the strangest comments I've read here, and I'm sure deep down you understand when coaches talk about bringing the ball to ground they aren't implying it's the best outcome when going forward; ahead of actually kicking a goal.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Lord Nev

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2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Then as he probably told them some time ago he was in and as you said they have done their due diligence over a long period of time, why not just wait for the GF to end and then announce it.

Don't waste people's time and effort with a mock process, when you already have your man.

PS: It's fun to crapp on Essendon, they have had years of doing it to us.

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It's called a belt and braces approach.  If something had happened in the meantime and he changed his mind, or some other event occurred they clearly needed to have some backup.

Yes, it's fun to crapp on Essendon but there is a lot of other better material to use.

[deelusions from afar 1,893]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

I'd take a goal over the chance of possibly getting goal any day.

'Bringing the ball to ground is more important than goals' is one of the strangest comments I've read here, and I'm sure deep down you understand when coaches talking about bringing the ball to ground they aren't implying it's the best outcome when going forward; ahead of actually kicking a goal.

To be fair i think he's saying that if he tries to mark every kick to him and kicks 2 goals a game but otherwise the defenders either outmark him or are able to clear the ball away, then that's less valuable than kicking less goals if it leads to 3+ goals from the crumbs he creates.

Having said that, I don't think this has worked overly well - partly because once the ball does hit the ground, Brown is a liability.

[deelusions from afar 1,893]

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Depending on his salary, I assume its going to be a 3rd round draft pick.

Hmmm...From memory we have an extra third and fourth from last year.  We seem to be open to some of our less critical players to be shopped around (Hunt, Tomlinson, Bedford) who will net us late second rounders at best.

It's reportedly a weak draft (particularly after the first 30) where we are unlikely to use many selections.

So what are we going to do with all our selections above 30?

[dazzledavey36 56,274]

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

4 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

To be fair i think he's saying that if he tries to mark every kick to him and kicks 2 goals a game but otherwise the defenders either outmark him or are able to clear the ball away, then that's less valuable than kicking less goals if it leads to 3+ goals from the crumbs he creates.

Having said that, I don't think this has worked overly well - partly because once the ball does hit the ground, Brown is a liability.

Yeah, you'd take bringing the ball to ground over being outmarked, but I'd still take an actual goal ahead of either...

[titan_uranus 25,251]

15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah, you'd take bringing the ball to ground over being outmarked, but I'd still take an actual goal ahead of either...

Yes but I think the broader argument is we want a goal, from anyone (not necessarily Brown), when we target him.

So I don't care if his average goals per game is low, if the way we're scoring and winning is via targeting him and he doesn't get outmarked and either marks it and goals, or brings it to ground in a way which allows us to score.

It didn't work well enough this year but that's the broader debate.

One of the problems we've always had with Weideman is that he doesn't do well enough at winning/halving aerial contests and allowing the team to score when we target him.

[titan_uranus 25,251]

3 hours ago, mo64 said:

My argument is that I'd like us to get a player that may change the dynamics of how we play, because there was little evidence of Plan B. 

The Cats getting Stengle was probably seen as a minor acquisition before the season started, but ended up being hugely important. 

Stengle didn't change the dynamics of how Geelong plays. There is abundant evidence about Geelong stripping their gameplan back after the 2021 prelim, recognising they were too slow and controlling in moving the ball from their back half, and changing their approach to entire ground ball movement.

Stengle was obviously a fantastic addition to their side but even if you accept he changed how Geelong plays, how often does a player like Stengle, C-grade at best, make that sort of change?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Yes but I think the broader argument is we want a goal, from anyone (not necessarily Brown), when we target him.

So I don't care if his average goals per game is low, if the way we're scoring and winning is via targeting him and he doesn't get outmarked and either marks it and goals, or brings it to ground in a way which allows us to score.

It didn't work well enough this year but that's the broader debate.

One of the problems we've always had with Weideman is that he doesn't do well enough at winning/halving aerial contests and allowing the team to score when we target him.

Yep, so for reference then - The stat from after our round 17 game was Brown had been targeted inside 50 45 times, he marked it once and was outmarked 8 times.

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yep, so for reference then - The stat from after our round 17 game was Brown had been targeted inside 50 45 times, he marked it once and was outmarked 8 times.

Which is not good.

But what happened the other 36 times, when he didn't mark it and the opposition didn't mark it? I'm interested in knowing how many of those other 36 targets turned into goals/scores.