CASEY: Rd 03 vs Williamstown

[dee-tox 4,829]

34 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

The issue with Weid appears to be mental - has all the tools but struggles with pressure

I think it is the physical nature of the game. He might be able to do it once but can't back it up in subsequent matches. He's not a bloke that thrives on physicality. He's almost a bit nice.

 

[David-Demon 511]

On 4/10/2022 at 9:25 AM, David-Demon said:

won't happen.

It will happen now I assure you

[Webber 10,179]

Anybody who watched the whole game have insights on Rosman? Seems to be pressing hard all of a sudden. Was a speculative, athletic pick when drafted, does he now have the game in hand? 

[binman 39,003]

40 minutes ago, Webber said:

Anybody who watched the whole game have insights on Rosman? Seems to be pressing hard all of a sudden. Was a speculative, athletic pick when drafted, does he now have the game in hand? 

He was terrific -  his best game for casey by all accounts.

As was the case in the last game, he played in defence - and quite deep in this game.

Looked very natural down back.

It is often said half back is a good spot to learn the game because the ball is coming at you, so even if he doesn't end up in defence it can only help his game.

He is a funny height - not a small medium but not a key position size, which is a bit tricky re his best position.

But down back it means he can take both a tall and medium size forward- and we struggle a bit with latter.

He took most kick outs. He has a funky kicking technique, which is no work of art (well not Webber standard art in any case), but he greats great deprh and hits targets. Weights the ball well too, a much under appropriated skill.

Huge upside I reckon.

 

[dazzledavey36 49,153]

6 minutes ago, binman said:

He was terrific -  his best game for casey by all accounts.

As was the case in the last game, he played in defence - and quite deep in this game.

Looked very natural down back.

It is often said half back is a good spot to learn the game because the ball is coming at you, so even if he doesn't end up in defence it can only help his game.

He is a funny height - not a small medium but not a key position size, which is a bit tricky re his best position.

But down back it means he can take both a tall and medium size forward- and we struggle a bit with latter.

He took most kick outs. He has a funky kicking technique, which is no work of art (well not Webber standard art in any case), but he greats great deprh and hits targets. Weights the ball well too, a much under appropriated skill.

Huge upside I reckon.

 

He's listed at 194cm tall so you would think he's similar to like a Joel Smith/Marty Hore type?

[FarNorthernD 5,848]

 

Admittedly it is a draft write up which are always pretty glowing, but a 194cm+, 2.90sec 20m sprint and a (almost) record breaking 2k time trial is tantalising. I’m pretty sure the Club were looking at making a winger out of him but understandably is still a work in progress. 

Another Sandringham player with a lot of upside, Rosman was 192cm last year but is now 194cm and could still grow a little more as well; with his speed and reach on the lead, that extra height could be handy. With a frame to build on and a bucketful of natural athleticism and x-factor, the potential Rosman has is on the very high end. Rosman’s athleticism was certainly on show at the combine with some eye-catching results; notching 2.90 seconds in the 20m sprint and an incredible 5:52 time in the 2km time trial, which was two seconds behind the previous record breakers Jay Rantall and former Dragon, Finn Maginness before Harry Sharp broke that record again. Regardless, both of those results are elite for Rosman and they are a very rare combination to have. His leap tests were solid at the start of the year and he certainly likes to jump at the ball when marking.

 

[Webber 10,179]

49 minutes ago, binman said:

He took most kick outs. He has a funky kicking technique, which is no work of art (well not Webber standard art in any case), but he greats great deprh and hits targets. Weights the ball well too, a much under appropriated skill.

Sounds good. Would be nice to have a funky but effective kick going around (Barry Round funky notwithstanding), just for the aesthetic variation. 

35 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's listed at 194cm tall so you would think he's similar to like a Joel Smith/Marty Hore type?

Was thinking from binman’s description that he sounds like a Joel Smith mirror (which Casey try to create), the irony being that Joel Smith in many people’s eyes is a mirror himself. Of who I’m not sure, cos he’s happily best 22 for mine this year. 

[mo64 5,231]

58 minutes ago, binman said:

He was terrific -  his best game for casey by all accounts.

As was the case in the last game, he played in defence - and quite deep in this game.

Looked very natural down back.

It is often said half back is a good spot to learn the game because the ball is coming at you, so even if he doesn't end up in defence it can only help his game.

He is a funny height - not a small medium but not a key position size, which is a bit tricky re his best position.

But down back it means he can take both a tall and medium size forward- and we struggle a bit with latter.

He took most kick outs. He has a funky kicking technique, which is no work of art (well not Webber standard art in any case), but he greats great deprh and hits targets. Weights the ball well too, a much under appropriated skill.

Huge upside I reckon.

 

Rosman's kicking technique is fine, similar to Anthony Ingerson. His biggest problem is his decision making by hand and foot when not under pressure.

Has the tools, but needs more time at VFL level.

[rjay 23,996]

'@binman' I'm interested in your views on JVR and Howes.

I watched the replay but the camera angles are not great plus you don't get an idea of work rate.

Howes seemed to be out of position a lot but that may not be the case.

I like what JVR does, doesn't lose many contests and works to bring the ball to ground if he can't mark it himself...nice little Tommy Hawkins in the ruck to Brown for a goal as well.

Laurie is another interesting one, looks a footballer.

[binman 39,003]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He's listed at 194cm tall so you would think he's similar to like a Joel Smith/Marty Hore type?

I reckon hore is an excellent comparison. Good one on one, smart and good overhead. And like rosman, Marty hore was a middling height that made finding the right role for a bit tricky.

Smith is also a good comparison in terms of size, but I think Smith is a bit more dynamic and perhaps a bot more of an interceptor type.

Rosman looks to be a more natural footballer than smith I'd have to say. Decent footy iq.

Shares Smith's running ability- I think he was an elite 400 metre runner (might be erpung on that) - so a smooth mover.

[binman 39,003]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

'@binman' I'm interested in your views on JVR and Howes.

I watched the replay but the camera angles are not great plus you don't get an idea of work rate.

Howes seemed to be out of position a lot but that may not be the case.

I like what JVR does, doesn't lose many contests and works to bring the ball to ground if he can't mark it himself...nice little Tommy Hawkins in the ruck to Brown for a goal as well.

Laurie is another interesting one, looks a footballer.

JVR looks like the real deal to me.

Not that big so not quite the size for a key forward, at least in the Ben Brown  tmac mold  but will get bigger and stronger.

Great hands and looks a total natural in terms of using his body and of most significance ability to know where the ball drop is going to be and protecting that space.

On the second two points he reminds of fritter - not in size or role, just that natural forward craft - which really is the most important thing for forwards.

The first goal of the match was a good example of his forward craft. Responded more quickly than his defender to the centre clearance, led hard and despite good pressure never looked like not marking it.

Went back and kicked it gun barrel straight  - which is anorher pretty important skill for a forward!

And seems to have a real intensity about. A competitor. Reminds me a little of a young ox.

Howes was in and out of the game, so hard to reallt assess him (that's the first time I've seen him live). But oozes class. Smooth mover too.

Like roaman he is a middling height and I'm not sure what his best position will end up being. Needs to put on a fair bit of muscle to be a chance of playing as a mid in rbe ones I'd reckon.

Where did he play as a junior?

Laurie looks the good also. Behind a few, bur has plenty of time. A full season along as a mid at Casey, another solid preseason and im sure he'll be in the frame for best 22 next year.

[dazzledavey36 49,153]

35 minutes ago, binman said:

JVR looks like the real deal to me.

Not that big so not quite the size for a key forward, at least in the Ben Brown  tmac mold  but will get bigger and stronger.

Great hands and looks a total natural in terms of using his body and of most significance ability to know where the ball drop is going to be and protecting that space.

On the second two points he reminds of fritter - not in size or role, just that natural forward craft - which really is the most important thing for forwards.

The first goal of the match was a good example of his forward craft. Responded more quickly than his defender to the centre clearance, led hard and despite good pressure never looked like not marking it.

Went back and kicked it gun barrel straight  - which is anorher pretty important skill for a forward!

And seems to have a real intensity about. A competitor. Reminds me a little of a young ox.

Howes was in and out of the game, so hard to reallt assess him (that's the first time I've seen him live). But oozes class. Smooth mover too.

Like roaman he is a middling height and I'm not sure what his best position will end up being. Needs to put on a fair bit of muscle to be a chance of playing as a mid in rbe ones I'd reckon.

Where did he play as a junior?

Laurie looks the good also. Behind a few, bur has plenty of time. A full season along as a mid at Casey, another solid preseason and im sure he'll be in the frame for best 22 next year.

Alternated between mid, forward and back. Jason Taylor seems to think his best position was on a wing.

Someone of his versatility could become a real handful once he is able to get some size and experience into him.

Cameron Bruce is who I think of in regards to Howes with his versatility. 

[spirit of norm smith 13,274]

Howes ✅JVR ✅ Woey jnr ✅ all looked good and should develop this year at Casey.  Howes might even be considered later in the year perhaps for a senior run. 
 

Moniz-Wakefield was involved in the contest, cracked in and kicked a beautiful goal from the 50.  One to work with imv. 
 

Bailey Laurie was ok but seems to be pencilled in as a small forward. Smart and creative type. Will aim to keep fit in 2022, and develop.  
 

Most promising game from Rosman. Still only in his 2nd year but held down key position in defence alongside Petty. Got the athletic ability, just needs to develop his footy skills and decisions.  We have time to let him develop over the 22 and 23 seasons then assess. 

[MrFreeze 1,495]

1 hour ago, binman said:

JVR looks like the real deal to me.

Not that big so not quite the size for a key forward, at least in the Ben Brown  tmac mold  but will get bigger and stronger.

Great hands and looks a total natural in terms of using his body and of most significance ability to know where the ball drop is going to be and protecting that space.

On the second two points he reminds of fritter - not in size or role, just that natural forward craft - which really is the most important thing for forwards.

The first goal of the match was a good example of his forward craft. Responded more quickly than his defender to the centre clearance, led hard and despite good pressure never looked like not marking it.

Went back and kicked it gun barrel straight  - which is anorher pretty important skill for a forward!

And seems to have a real intensity about. A competitor. Reminds me a little of a young ox.

Howes was in and out of the game, so hard to reallt assess him (that's the first time I've seen him live). But oozes class. Smooth mover too.

Like roaman he is a middling height and I'm not sure what his best position will end up being. Needs to put on a fair bit of muscle to be a chance of playing as a mid in rbe ones I'd reckon.

Where did he play as a junior?

Laurie looks the good also. Behind a few, bur has plenty of time. A full season along as a mid at Casey, another solid preseason and im sure he'll be in the frame for best 22 next year.

I believe Rosman was a winger in his draft year, and played there at Casey until being moved recently 

[rjay 23,996]

45 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Bailey Laurie was ok but seems to be pencilled in as a small forward.

Been used mainly as a mid at Casey so not sure how you see him pencilled in as a small forward.

47 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Howes ✅JVR ✅ Woey jnr ✅ all looked good and should develop this year at Casey.

All at different stages. I would think that JVR is closest to getting a game at the moment.

If he keeps presenting the way he is it will be sooner rather than later.

[spirit of norm smith 13,274]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

Been used mainly as a mid at Casey so not sure how you see him pencilled in as a small forward.

 

I agree Laurie was played in the midfield for Casey on the weekend but I can’t see him within the current rotation.  Rotated forward and did 1-2 clever moves including a nice goal that indicate he is a more natural half forward imv. 

[Paulo 285]

5 hours ago, rjay said:

 I would think that JVR is closest to getting a game at the moment.

If he keeps presenting the way he is it will be sooner rather than later.

Did we just see our future 2022 AFL premiership FF and CHF play together  the VFL ?

Edited April 12, 2022 by Paulo

[Paulo 285]

Who had the better FF, CHF combination this week Melbourne or Casey ?

 

 

 

[rjay 23,996]

3 hours ago, Paulo said:

Did we just see our future 2022 AFL premiership FF and CHF play together  the VFL ?

The ball is in the court of Weid & Tommy, they're the incumbents.

...but a few more performances like last game and the decision will be made.

[kryton101 338]

Is it just me or is the game replay on AFL on Demand without sound?  

[dazzledavey36 49,153]

49 minutes ago, kryton101 said:

Is it just me or is the game replay on AFL on Demand without sound?  

Not it's not just you.

I tried to watch it the other night and it had no sound as well.

[rjay 23,996]

4 hours ago, kryton101 said:

Is it just me or is the game replay on AFL on Demand without sound?  

If you watched the previous game then you will see (hear) it's a blessing there was no commentary.

[Go the Biff 3,194]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

If you watched the previous game then you will see (hear) it's a blessing there was no commentary.

True, the Essendon / Tippa supporting commentary was a bit much. I thought this week's mob were pretty good. Weird how it isn't on the replay. Thought my PC had gone bung - again !

[Morgs_10 222]

Anyone noticed Judd McVee at all? How's he looking?

The young lass at my local bar is his cousin so the inside scoop on his progress may get me a free pint.

[Sydee 3,655]

33 minutes ago, Morgs_10 said:

Anyone noticed Judd McVee at all? How's he looking?

The young lass at my local bar is his cousin so the inside scoop on his progress may get me a free pint.

Not mentioned in the best players last round - you might have to use some imagination or just pay up like the rest of us 😀