On 8/1/2022 at 7:40 AM, Demonstone said:

It's not so much the frees they receive, but all the ones that aren't paid against them for holding the ball and throwing.

And where on the ground they were paid.

Do they have statistics  on which team asks/appeals/ yells/demands of the umpire for a free kick the most, wait, no I know the answer.If you didn't  pick a team with white or blue on their jumper you're in the naughty corner.

Dogs are 150 ahead of the Tigers on the differential. 

madness

10 minutes ago, willmoy said:

Do they have statistics  on which team asks/appeals/ yells/demands of the umpire for a free kick the most, wait, no I know the answer.If you didn't  pick a team with white or blue on their jumper you're in the naughty corner.

G_____g?

Bonts non 50 meter penalty on the weekend, was…. Wow! 
Umpires are biased to players as much as teams. 

2 hours ago, willmoy said:

Do they have statistics  on which team asks/appeals/ yells/demands of the umpire for a free kick the most, wait, no I know the answer.If you didn't  pick a team with white or blue on their jumper you're in the naughty corner.

The benefit of stadiums like Marvel and Optus Stadium is that you get a good vantage point and are close to the action. In the past two weeks I have witnesses 3 teams play quite close up; the Dees, Dogs and Dockers. Only one team had players constantly (and I mean constantly, verbally, throwing their arms up, gesticulating etc) appealing for frees whether they were there or not.

I'm sure you can guess which team is the guilty party.

The other team in the AFL that use this tactic are the Cats.

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

Dogs are 150 ahead of the Tigers on the differential. 

madness

Which makes 7.8 frees differential per game on average over the 19 rounds.

That is absolutely criminal.. 

Tell me that is not biased? Surely the tigers don’t play that carelessly, this is why we need a professional umpiring review and ranking system. 

It’d be great if someone with a lot of time and the technology to do so, to develop an Unofficial umpiring decision and review website to hold them to account.

Wouldnt be hard to technically judge, we all watch other team games and realise what is BS and what is fair.

Edited August 2, 20223 yr by DeezNuts

13 hours ago, mauriesy said:

It's a slightly different perspective when you take the differential out of it.

Club	Free kicks for	Club	Free kicks against
Crows	433	Tigers	436
Blues	424	Swans	422
Lions	419	Kangaroos	420
Bulldogs	409	Saints	420
Swans	409	Crows	412
Magpies	405	Lions	407
Cats	399	Hawks	404
Bombers	394	Suns	402
Hawks	392	Dockers	393
Dockers	390	Power	391
Suns	389	Cats	387
Kangaroos	391	Eagles	387
Giants	378	Magpies	382
Saints	378	Bombers	382
Eagles	376	Giants	373
Tigers	367	Blues	367
Power	364	Demons	359
Demons	361	Bulldogs	324

How the mighty have fallen. Wetcoke 4th bottom receives. Can that be right????

Back in the Red. Lucky they don't count free kicks not paid.

As of round 20...

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/02/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-20

Just now, leave it to deever said:

As of round 20...

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/02/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-20

Ps they had 10 more than us in our last game/ losses Against them.

The fact that it keeps happening with such a big difference is puzzling to say the least.

Libba out of finals. Doubt they beat Freo

Every dog has his day.

The doggies may win the freekick count but won't make a difference as their defence is terrible. 

And of course we all know that the Dogs get away with 100 throws a game as well....

Zero Hanger stopped doing the Free Kick Differential Ladder after Round 20 but here is the ladder after Round 23.

This was from last year. In 2022 West Coast were -1 for the first time in 20 odd years coinciding with Dean Margetts retirement at the end of last year.

 

10 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Zero Hanger stopped doing the Free Kick Differential Ladder after Round 20 but here is the ladder after Round 23.

Mental to see the Dogs with nearly double the next closest team. They have had the most insanely biased run I can remember, and that includes a lot of throws not paid in the spirit of the AFL wanting to “make the game faster”!

30 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Mental to see the Dogs with nearly double the next closest team. They have had the most insanely biased run I can remember, and that includes a lot of throws not paid in the spirit of the AFL wanting to “make the game faster”!

The post above yours shows that they are now in the positive 9 years running. The last 2 years at least have been almost double the next team. Then when you add all the not paid frees something really smells fishy.

This actually a pretty decent normal distribution. It's weird in that it has occurred in such a small population.

Calculations: mean 0, standard deviation 35.8. Dogs are getting out to near 3 standard deviations from the mean.

Chance of "scoring" 91: 0.04% (this is about the same chance that someone is 6'4" in a human population)

Chance of "scoring" -81: 1.1%

It looks extreme but it's not unreasonable, from a purely statistical sense.

The problem with the "Bulldogs favouritism" theory is that it also has to explain why Richmond gets such a rough trot. I think the latter is because the Tiges try to play "unsociable football" and either get it wrong (too far over the line), or are playing "unsociable football" according to a bygone era (ten years ago) and umpiring standards have changed. Players like Riewoldt continually moaning and groaning may also get the umps offside; they are only human after all.

Now for the Dogs. Pure favouritism (in the sense of Margetts/WCE) doesn't seem to be what's going on. I think it is that Dogs have found a chink in the armour. They are coached to play in a way that the current umpiring fashion is prepared to overlook. Throwing, dropping ... the blatancy with which they do this is inexplicable, unless the explanation is that the umps are directed to overlook it. We now see players from other teams (even our own) trying it on. Cripps in round 23 tried it in the last few minutes of the game ... "oh, I'm in trouble .. I'll just let go of the ball and cause a stoppage". He'd done it all game, but the umps chose that moment to pay holding the ball for the first time! And C'wood scored a goal.

There seems to be a direct line through a "champion of the game" (Selwood) getting away with it, the Dogs' industrialisation of that exploit, and the current blight of players from all teams trying it on. All in the name of making more entertaining a game that through dint of its crowd sizes manifestly does not need that.

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

Libba out of finals. Doubt they beat Freo

This is indeed a blow. Who else do the Dogs have who can dive on the ball while simultaneously scooping it with two hands to a nearby teammate? I hope they have been training this "skill of the game".

On 8/2/2022 at 10:10 PM, DeezNuts said:

Which makes 7.8 frees differential per game on average over the 19 rounds.

That is absolutely criminal.. 

Tell me that is not biased? Surely the tigers don’t play that carelessly, this is why we need a professional umpiring review and ranking system. 

It’d be great if someone with a lot of time and the technology to do so, to develop an Unofficial umpiring decision and review website to hold them to account.

Wouldnt be hard to technically judge, we all watch other team games and realise what is BS and what is fair.

Agree with point 1.

However Tigers are incredibly careless, late & dirty, that’s why they sit bottom of the heap!

To all the theorists out there who think the umpires/AFL blatantly favour the Dogs or even cheat, how do you explain us winning the free kick count 19-13 over the Dogs in the most important game of the 2021 season?

Edited August 31, 20222 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

This actually a pretty decent normal distribution. It's weird in that it has occurred in such a small population.

Calculations: mean 0, standard deviation 35.8. Dogs are getting out to near 3 standard deviations from the mean.

Chance of "scoring" 91: 0.04% (this is about the same chance that someone is 6'4" in a human population)

Chance of "scoring" -81: 1.1%

It looks extreme but it's not unreasonable, from a purely statistical sense.

The problem with the "Bulldogs favouritism" theory is that it also has to explain why Richmond gets such a rough trot. I think the latter is because the Tiges try to play "unsociable football" and either get it wrong (too far over the line), or are playing "unsociable football" according to a bygone era (ten years ago) and umpiring standards have changed. Players like Riewoldt continually moaning and groaning may also get the umps offside; they are only human after all.

Now for the Dogs. Pure favouritism (in the sense of Margetts/WCE) doesn't seem to be what's going on. I think it is that Dogs have found a chink in the armour. They are coached to play in a way that the current umpiring fashion is prepared to overlook. Throwing, dropping ... the blatancy with which they do this is inexplicable, unless the explanation is that the umps are directed to overlook it. We now see players from other teams (even our own) trying it on. Cripps in round 23 tried it in the last few minutes of the game ... "oh, I'm in trouble .. I'll just let go of the ball and cause a stoppage". He'd done it all game, but the umps chose that moment to pay holding the ball for the first time! And C'wood scored a goal.

There seems to be a direct line through a "champion of the game" (Selwood) getting away with it, the Dogs' industrialisation of that exploit, and the current blight of players from all teams trying it on. All in the name of making more entertaining a game that through dint of its crowd sizes manifestly does not need that.

You’ve nailed it.

Dogs get tackled and just drop ball without penalty, and are let throw more than anyone.

In GF they weren’t given their normal treatment, with best umpires in attendance!

Selwood/Hawkins/Dangerfield/Bont protected species!

Thanks Mods for merging my thread into the correct one. 

Sorry bout that it was on the layzie side of doing things.

He he.

Nonetheless it really gets me angry how it's happening constantly.

Oh well at least they won't win a flag  this year. AGAIN.