On 05/11/2021 at 02:38, radar said:

Give me the discipline and team ethos of Rivers, Hibberd, Bowey and Petty

If Howe had stayed at the club and been coached by Roos and Goodwin, he, too, might have been just as selfless and disciplined as the rest of the current team. We'll never know. He made the choice that he did and lives with the consequences. In the dark days, he was one of the few players who made watching football a joy. I hope he's happy with the decision that he made. 

  On 04/11/2021 at 04:01, RigidMiddleDigit said:

It's been too good, too much of a relief to have broken the drought, with too much spectacular finals football to revel in to indulge in schadenfreude. Until now.

Yesterday I felt just the slightest twinge of guilty pleasure at the plight of the Magpies, with JdG in strife yet again and possibly to be axed sometime next year, when I thought of Jeremy Howe.

As a Demon, I loved the spectacular feats he produced, and I was genuinely disappointed - and told him so in person - when he talked himself out of the place by believing his manager's BS about how much he was worth.

That's the truth. He made it impossible to keep him even though, as well all know he ended up in the same role at Pie Park that he had with us, and for much the same dough.

I say that acknowledging that his disposal was problematic although no worse than Nat Jones and correctible, had he stayed, by Mark Williams.

Instead he finds himself at an ailing club, full of its own BS, with its premiership window slammed shut and the pain of a 13 possession 6-point Grand Final loss for consolation.

And he can look on his former teammates with the big medals around their necks. Those who played alongside him include Salem (22 times), Harmes (8 times), Viney (49 times), TMac (82 times), Brayshaw (21 times), Gawn (49 times), Neal-Bullen (11 times). 

Others on the list this year who were teammates with Howe but without the premiership medal include Jones, Jetta, Van den Berg and Hunt. Petracca did not debut until after he had left, but was a training mate in his last season, 2015.

I know this is small minded of me but it's nice to remember that slur he threw at us when Covid locked fans out of stadiums. He knew what it was like to play to empty terraces because "I used to play at Melbourne". Maybe if he had not said that I would not have posted this but I did think he was graceless and unappreciative of the club that plucked him from the obscurity of Dodges Ferry.

His win loss record with us was 22 wins and 78 losses from 100 games, which goes some way to explaining why he might have wanted to go. But TMac at the same time had 18 wins and 64 losses from 82 games and stuck fat. Ditto Viney, 10 wins and 39 losses from 49 games while Howe was with us. All around the 20%-22% mark. I guess some of his old teammates would not hold it against him but it's the fans job to hold on to grievances.

So Jeremy, in the quiet times, when it's late at night and you are alone, ponder what might have been.

 

Nicely written, succinct and thoughtful.

  On 05/11/2021 at 02:41, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

If Howe had stayed at the club and been coached by Roos and Goodwin, he, too, might have been just as selfless and disciplined as the rest of the current team. We'll never know. He made the choice that he did and lives with the consequences. In the dark days, he was one of the few players who made watching football a joy. I hope he's happy with the decision that he made. 

Howe had 2 years with Roos but he did not like to play as a backman which is were Roos was playing him and Buckley convinced him he would be played as a forward at the magpies where he played for a while but was returned to the backline.

He just did what some players do runaway to a new club's promises when he does not get his way.

  On 04/11/2021 at 19:51, Mazer Rackham said:

To add to Jeremy's woes, he may end up captaining the Pies next year.

Surely you jest!!!!!!  Have the pies come to that?

  On 05/11/2021 at 02:38, radar said:

Give me the discipline and team ethos of Rivers, Hibberd, Bowey and Petty

i liked watching howie play. he was a shining light in some dark times and his speccies were much appreciated

but i would have to agree he was more for himself and wasn't a great team player

nevertheless, i wasn't happy to see him leave. all teams can afford a couple of selfish players as long as they are good enough. 

  On 04/11/2021 at 04:50, Jontee said:

Yes on the surface it seems to be a most ungracious thing to say.  Talk about destroying your own good will.  Perhaps he just caught  Collingwood culture.  Still his injury gave me no joy.

 

I recall seeing him playing as if demented in our loss to the Filth about two years ago on the Queen’s Birthday clash - he played with not only aggression but an astonishing amount of spite with which our players seemed unable to cope and on the day were not equal to.

 

Jeremy is a loss, looking back, that we can not only cope with but perhaps view with a degree of satisfaction. 

C’est la vie and arrivederci  🙋🏽‍♂️

  On 05/11/2021 at 04:12, Crompton's the man said:

Jeremy is a loss, looking back, that we can not only cope with but perhaps view with a degree of satisfaction. 

C’est la vie and arrivederci  🙋🏽‍♂️

Three languages in one 5 word sentence. Impressive.

  On 05/11/2021 at 04:15, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Three languages in one 5 word sentence. Impressive.

Thank you 

 

The classes are paying off 

  On 05/11/2021 at 02:47, durango said:

Howe had 2 years with Roos but he did not like to play as a backman which is were Roos was playing him and Buckley convinced him he would be played as a forward at the magpies where he played for a while but was returned to the backline.

He just did what some players do runaway to a new club's promises when he does not get his way.

And the media went out of their way to make out that Buckley was a genius for playing him in the backline, totally ignoring he had payed there plenty while at Melbourne.

  On 04/11/2021 at 21:24, FritschyBusiness said:

I think it was only James Frawley that got premiership success out of all the ship jumpers

Jarrad Rivers I reckon got a medal for the Cats

 

Unfortunately for Riv the first, he left Melbourne at the end of 2012 and thus missed Geelong's flags.

There are a number of posts in this thread suggesting that Howe is this complete [censored] who overrated himself, left the club and never did anything. 

He left us and really developed into a top line player who not only developed his consistency within games but across entire seasons. He has been at the pies for 6 seasons and from memory has finished in the top 10 in their best and fairest 4 times. He has been injured the other 2 and has been a big loss for the pies. He was a very good player in a great back line for the pies (yes they were) and while he wont get the captaincy, his name is one that would come up in conversation as an option.

We weren't the only team who were likely to draft him from obscurity. He had a few clubs that were looking at him.

He was named in the 40 man squad for the All Australian in 2017 and was maybe a little unlucky not to make the main team. 

Yeah, he made a joke about Melbourne having low crowds. It was a dumb joke and was very low hanging fruit. He would have got a good laugh from the Collingwood [censored]. I took it as the joke it was (we did have low crowds FYI, as we had been a complete basket-case for [censored] years) but fully respect that others found it very disrespectful. 

Good player but I don’t miss him. And yes I hope he’s eating his liver right now

Both Howe and Frawley made an excellent beer tower with the empties in Bay 13 on Boxing Day.

Lets not forget that.

Great natural footballer, loved his aerial work and thought he was a decent team player. I loved watching him play, and not just his marking. I met him and Jared Rivers on a golf course once, had a good conversation with them both and were great to chat with. Neither of them were full of themselves or w**kers. 

He clearly did not fully endorse the Roos/Goodwin philosophy and game plan, and possibly wanted to find a role as a high flying forward (which he never got and in my opinion was not suited to). The lure of Collingwood was too much and he jumped. 

I don't have too much loathing for people who jumped from our basket-case club, looking for success. These blokes are professional sportsmen and they need to be where they can play their best. Scully is the one exception. What he did and the way he did it - I hope he looks at the Dees now and re-thinks his entire GWS/Hawthorn underachieving. 

Players when they get to the end of their careers want to play in a premiership team because the bond lasts forever and it is a connection with the club for a life time.

Players like Jetta and Jones who are now retired, were at the club but did not play can at least look back at their careers and say they contributed to the premiership during the season.

There are players who chase premiership and have bad luck to go to the wrong club or expect the team they go to is in the premiership window and for one reason or another they don't get the premiership they craved.

Look at the MFC players like Trent Rivers, Luke Jackson, Kysaiah Pickett, Tom Sparrow, Harrison Petty and James Jordan have played less than 50 games whilst Lynden Dunn had played 198 games and never played in a final let alone a premiership.

Then you have Ben Brown who crossed from NM to the MFC in hope of finals and ended up with a premiership.

Wayne Treloer played for GWS then crossed to the Magpies believing their list was better than Richmond and they won 3.

Then was dumped by the Magpies end up going to premiership hopeful and favourites until round 20 of 2021 for the premiership.

Edited November 6, 20213 yr by durango

  On 04/11/2021 at 04:01, RigidMiddleDigit said:

I know this is small minded of me but it's nice to remember that slur he threw at us when Covid locked fans out of stadiums. He knew what it was like to play to empty terraces because "I used to play at Melbourne". Maybe if he had not said that I would not have posted this but I did think he was graceless and unappreciative of the club that plucked him from the obscurity of Dodges Ferry.

Well having said this he deserves some return serve. Always thought he never offered enough. He was an absolute gem at taking speccies and will always be a part of high flying highlight reels more than once. But he was neither a gun fwd or defender and I think in all honesty would have struggled to break into our current team and the pies are a club befitting of his level of skill.

  On 06/11/2021 at 23:13, durango said:

Players when they get to the end of their careers want to play in a premiership team because the bond lasts forever and it is a connection with the club for a life time.

Frawley is welcome to his bonds with hawthorn. Premiership players are a dime a dozen over there. And Frawley can stay persona non grata at the Dees as far as I am concerned.

At Melbourne, our players have created history that can never be erased. They will be remembered forever.

Frawley? Pfft