Why Jayden Hunt must be the sub

[DemonWA 3,933]

18 hours ago, Redleg said:

I would prefer a fit Hunt to Hibbo.

His run and carry off the hbf could be of great benefit in a GF. He is also a long kick and can snag a goal if moved forward.

Hibbo can fumble badly and those left foot sliding kicks often go to the opposition.

Hibbo is probably a better lockdown defender but I would rather Hunt if he is fit. He was very good for us before the injury.

He just offers more than Hibbo.

I like hibbo in the side. Workmanlike defender. 

Gives us some options - Salem and Bowey provide upgrades on Hunt IMO

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,753]

Hunt, subs...this thread really should be called the Hunt for Red and Blue September.

I'm also concerned that the French might get even more upset if they think the decision as to an appropriate sub has in any way lead to a breakdown in French-Australian relations.

[Wrecker46 2,969]

Hunt wont be the sub. He will either be in for Hibbert or miss.

This is not a guess.

[Tim 3,418]

10 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Hunt wont be the sub. He will either be in for Hibbert or miss.

Tend to agree; I think JJ covers more bases than Hunt which makes him a more flexible candidate for medi-sub; if they think Hunt is ready he’ll be in the actual 22 to do his usual specific role.

 

21 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

JJ is quite vanilla.  

Seriously underestimates JJ’s body of work.

[Pates 9,660]

1 hour ago, Tim said:

Tend to agree; I think JJ covers more bases than Hunt which makes him a more flexible candidate for medi-sub; if they think Hunt is ready he’ll be in the actual 22 to do his usual specific role.

 

Seriously underestimates JJ’s body of work.

I disagree that JJ is more flexible, he can cover the midfield and perhaps a small forward role, but if a defender goes down then we’re left scrambling for cover. At least Hunt has had experience in almost all facets of the ground (bar ruckman, and inside mid). 

I think JJ will be the sub, I’m not against it as he has done well this year, I just personally would prefer Hunt.

[Tim 3,418]

31 minutes ago, Pates said:

I disagree that JJ is more flexible, he can cover the midfield and perhaps a small forward role, but if a defender goes down then we’re left scrambling for cover. At least Hunt has had experience in almost all facets of the ground (bar ruckman, and inside mid). 

I think JJ will be the sub, I’m not against it as he has done well this year, I just personally would prefer Hunt.

Spent quite a lot of his first year at Casey at half back, so wouldn’t be out of place in the unhoped-for scenario of a back going down.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Tim

[Demon17 5,188]

On 9/22/2021 at 2:21 PM, rjay said:

The sub rule will be exploited, if not used.

With them and us going in with players under a cloud the exploitation of the sub may not even be an issue.

I suspect the sub will be used legitimately.

So, who is the best choice?

I think Hunt would give us more coverage...but wouldn't be disappointed either way.

JJ would be stiff to miss.

The wildcard could be Melk...

Some have called for Smith but that is too big a risk if May is in.

I'd be shocked if the rule ISN't exploited.

It would be dead easy.

[illbarto 379]

Jayden needs a couple of games to get into his stride as has been shown in the past otherwise he will get totally lost.

JJ for sub

Edited September 23, 2021 by illbarto
pondering

[Pates 9,660]

My brother passed onto me (not sure how accurate this is) that Hunt had a quiet game in the practice match last week. With that in mind I can’t see Hunt as the sub. Sad for him, he’s had a good year. I don’t think anyone expected to take his spot and literally run with it so well. 

[picket fence 17,146]

20 hours ago, DemonWA said:

I like hibbo in the side. Workmanlike defender. 

Gives us some options - Salem and Bowey provide upgrades on Hunt IMO

Exactly why he should not be in the team! We dont need "Workmanlike defenders" we need pace,run and carry to match Dishkickers on the spread. Hunt just has to be in somewhere even 23rd man! Huge error if he is not in.😬

Edited September 23, 2021 by picket fence

[Jaded No More 68,906]

4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Exactly why he should not be in the team! We dont need "Workmanlike defenders" we need pace,run and carry to match Dishkickers on the spread. Just has to be in somewhere even 23rd man! Huge error if he is not in

We also need lock down defenders which Hibbo is better at than Hunt. 
Hunt essentially lost his spot to Bowey not to Hibbo. Him and Hibbo played together for most of the year. They are different players. 
Hibbo locks it down. Hunt opens it up. 
Dogs have really good small forwards. Hibbo is there to shut them down. 
For me the decision would have been 

Hibbo vs Smith - Right call to go with Hibbo. No hamstring worries, better defensively, proven over a long time, experienced calm head 

Bowey vs Hunt- A very tough choice. Hunt gets more of it and is faster. Bowey uses it a lot better. Ball use against the Dogs is very very important. 

The sub call has to come down to who can best serve us in different roles. JJ played inside mid, wing and half forward this year. Hunt has played half back exclusively. I think they go JJ for versatility, unless they’re worried about May. 
However I suggest if May goes down early we put Gawn down back to help, or push Tmac back. That will then probably see us shuffle the decks and put Trac forward for longer, making JJ a good sub option as the extra mid rotation. 

Edited September 23, 2021 by Jaded

[picket fence 17,146]

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

We also need lock down defenders which Hibbo is better at than Hunt. 
Hunt essentially lost his spot to Bowey not to Hibbo. Him and Hibbo played together for most of the year. They are different players. 
Hibbo locks it down. Hunt opens it up. 
Dogs have really good small forwards. Hibbo is there to shut them down. 
For me the decision would have been 

Hibbo vs Smith - Right call to go with Hibbo. No hamstring worries, better defensively, proven over a long time, experienced calm head 

Bowey vs Hunt- A very tough choice. Hunt gets more of it and is faster. Bowey uses it a lot better. Ball use against the Dogs is very very important. 
 

Which Is why Hunt needs to be Medi Sub

[Jaded No More 68,906]

Just now, picket fence said:

Which Is why Hunt needs to be Medi Sub

What happens if we lose a midfielder? Which is statistically more likely to happen?

[Redleg 40,899]

If Hunt was quiet in the practice match, they have obviously decided missing so much footy has affected his game and that was that. I said I wanted “a fit “ Hunt in, but that includes “match fit” and he obviously isn’t.

Hibbo needs to lock down a forward like he did on Cameron. That will be a win for us.

Go Dees and just win.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Redleg

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,753]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

We also need lock down defenders which Hibbo is better at than Hunt. 
Hunt essentially lost his spot to Bowey not to Hibbo. Him and Hibbo played together for most of the year. They are different players. 
Hibbo locks it down. Hunt opens it up. 
Dogs have really good small forwards. Hibbo is there to shut them down. 
For me the decision would have been 

Hibbo vs Smith - Right call to go with Hibbo. No hamstring worries, better defensively, proven over a long time, experienced calm head 

Bowey vs Hunt- A very tough choice. Hunt gets more of it and is faster. Bowey uses it a lot better. Ball use against the Dogs is very very important. 

The sub call has to come down to who can best serve us in different roles. JJ played inside mid, wing and half forward this year. Hunt has played half back exclusively. I think they go JJ for versatility, unless they’re worried about May. 
However I suggest if May goes down early we put Gawn down back to help, or push Tmac back. That will then probably see us shuffle the decks and put Trac forward for longer, making JJ a good sub option as the extra mid rotation. 

I agree with this regarding Hibberd v Smith and Hunt v Bowey. With respect to the Hibberd v Smith choice, I suspect Schache playing is the reason Smith isn't. If Schache (or another player in his stead) was considered to be a genuine tall forward target, rather than a defensive forward, Smith (assuming fit) might have got the nod because of his height and spring.  

As to the Jordon v Hunt choice, I would choose Hunt. If a midfielder needs to be replaced, Brayshaw can do that and Hunt can go to the wing. Hunt can also play back or forward if required. Having said that, Jordon is no slouch and I'll be more than happy with him as the sub. 

[DemonWA 3,933]

14 hours ago, Jaded said:

We also need lock down defenders which Hibbo is better at than Hunt. 
Hunt essentially lost his spot to Bowey not to Hibbo. Him and Hibbo played together for most of the year. They are different players. 
Hibbo locks it down. Hunt opens it up. 
Dogs have really good small forwards. Hibbo is there to shut them down. 
For me the decision would have been 

Hibbo vs Smith - Right call to go with Hibbo. No hamstring worries, better defensively, proven over a long time, experienced calm head 

Bowey vs Hunt- A very tough choice. Hunt gets more of it and is faster. Bowey uses it a lot better. Ball use against the Dogs is very very important. 

The sub call has to come down to who can best serve us in different roles. JJ played inside mid, wing and half forward this year. Hunt has played half back exclusively. I think they go JJ for versatility, unless they’re worried about May. 
However I suggest if May goes down early we put Gawn down back to help, or push Tmac back. That will then probably see us shuffle the decks and put Trac forward for longer, making JJ a good sub option as the extra mid rotation. 

I was about to write a response but you have done it for me. Gracias 

[faultydet 7,594]

14 hours ago, picket fence said:

Exactly why he should not be in the team! We dont need "Workmanlike defenders" we need pace,run and carry to match Dishkickers on the spread. Hunt just has to be in somewhere even 23rd man! Huge error if he is not in.😬

Hibbo has shown that he has a qualities that will be invaluable come tomorrow night.

Desperation and fierce determination.

You just know that he will launch himself into every contest even at the risk of getting hurt, and that's the stuff that wins the big games.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,817]

I’d be flabbergasted if Jordon isn’t sub tomorrow. Our selections have been predictable and conservative all year, and having no injuries have helped.

From a sentimental point of view I’d be taking Hunt over JJ but the club has rightly thrown romanticism  out the window, as per Jones returning home.

Edited September 24, 2021 by Bring-Back-Powell

[whatwhat say what 22,745]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I’d be flabbergasted if Jordon isn’t sub tomorrow. Our selections have been predictable and conservative all year, and having no injuries have helped.

From a sentimental point of view I’d be taking Hunt over JJ but the club has rightly thrown romanticism  out the window, as per Jones returning home.

you say predictable and conservative; i say consistent and proven successful

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,817]

13 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

you say predictable and conservative; i say consistent and proven successful

Same same yeah?

I would say our selections have been predictable and successful.

[whatwhat say what 22,745]

56 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Same same yeah?

I would say our selections have been predictable and successful.

thanks in some way to a golden run with injury

we need to make the most of this opportunity

to bring it back to the topic, it's a shame that hunt misses out - he's one of two players (tomlinson being the other) who were key parts of the journey to get where we are, and if fit would likely be in our best 23

jordon has 'played' every game; he'll be the sub again - it's ridiculous that you can 'play' a game when you don't take to the field