POSTGAME: Rd 23 vs Geelong

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

8 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

How the he'll did they sneak a cam into Old Dee's den / bunker!!??

Great little video and characterises what happened at my place pretty well.

 

What a rollercoaster.

At half time I remember sitting there thinking FFS, they have thrown this one, because the one wood to our games this season has been never to let a team get more than ~20 points up on us.  While I thought it was possible that we'd come over the top of the dad's army in the second half, to be honest, when we hadn't pegged back their lead to less than 20 points at 3/4 time I thought we were pretty stuffed and would just be playing the last quarter to regain a bit of form and pride.

Once we got them back to within 14 points, with soo much time I thought F this is game on baby, but once Sparrow missed his shot on goal and they started to play keepings off in that last 2mins I thought, bloody hell, I think we've blown our chance here.

When Maxy marked, weirdly I actually had reasonable confidence he would kick it, but not the sort of confidence as if it was a Salem or Big Ben Brown.  Seeing that kick go through the two big sticks was just a moment of pure elation and I was screaming my head off, fist pumping and jumping all over the lounge in a mad flurry.

 

Hope the players know how to put things back in the bag, because I'm still buzzing from this win.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Agree, it was just odd. I am all for insight but King just has to mainline counter intuition - his body language whenever Montagna is talking has always being quite funny to me - King rates himself the doyen of the brains on the fox slate but Riewoldt and Montagna are more stuns than he is.

I hear King on SEN sometimes and he seems to have fallen in to this role where he just has to provide the counter intuitive take, and especially the one that no-one else has seen. Even in the most mundane situations. It's almost become a crutch for him.

Wasn't it King earlier this season who was touting some statistic about the top teams vs the bottom teams like it was some magical revelation, when in fact it was exactly what you would see in any comp, of any size, in any sport, anywhere in the world!

Edited August 22, 2021 by Mazer Rackham

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

14 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

This one?

 

As if I needed to shed more tears 😢

That is beautiful.  Love the Gawn and Petracca hug.

Even more moving was the way Gawn reached out to May whose face was pure joy and hugged him tight.  There is something special happening between them.  

Edited August 22, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

Max's leadership stood tall in so many ways.   

In the last quarter his actions said:  Follow me lads.  And they duly followed.  Time and time again he willed them on.

The 44 pt comeback and the mobbing of Max after the siren will galvanise the team for a long time to come.  And send a few shock waves through the other finalists.

I particularly liked that after the siren he was like a shepherd lovingly looking after his flock.  

He has been a very good captain.  Saturday was his breakout game as a Leader.  

Edited August 22, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Dido 78]

8 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

I assume you are talking about Daisy Pierce and not DaisyThomas?

She is a gun and breath of fresh air in the over crowded commentary circles.

Someone worth listening to.

Daisy Pearce has the temperament and the footy smarts to be the first female AFL coach. Come on Daisy, blaze the trail!

 

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

Unbelievable win, still in disbelief. 

Wins like that build a club. 

We're onto something special here. 

Let's go. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by JimmyGadson

[Jaded No More 68,915]

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

As if I needed to shed more tears 😢

That is beautiful.  Love the Gawn and Petracca hug.

Even more moving was the way Gawn reached out to May whose face was pure joy and hugged him tight.  There is something special happening between them them.  

May has waited his whole career to play finals. He’s 29. He would have felt immense happiness at that moment. In fact when Gawn marks it, May is behind him on the goal line (assuming set play to take away a defender) and he’s jumping up and down and then goes over to Gawn to pump him up. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

15 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Here we see in one picture, the  MCG, and in the other, Kardinia Park. To scale.

 

Reckon that first pic is Clarry's heat map!

[Guest]

10 hours ago, DubDee said:

Just watching the second half again. 

I’ll let you know how it ends up 🤣

So? Well… did we win???!

You promised you’d let us know. I’m still waiting. 😝

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

3 minutes ago, Jaded said:

May has waited his whole career to play finals. He’s 29. He would have felt immense happiness at that moment. In fact when Gawn marks it, May is behind him on the goal line (assuming set play to take away a defender) and he’s jumping up and down and then goes over to Gawn to pump him up. 

Reckon May would be rapt he didn't go to the Pies!!

Would love to know what May said to Max.  From the hugs it looked like they share a special brotherly love.

We have various players as designated leaders but how good is it for our young team to have a few 'mature' heads in those two to look up to.  The trust and belief would be sky high right now.  

[Mickey 4,684]

I jumped on the Dyl & Friends podcast bandwagon last week. The interview with Max is well worth a listen. Interesting when he talks about being made captain, and that others have very different styles of leadership, including Viney who has a lead by example style. I think Max was leading by example on Saturday.

Also interesting that he said he felt his job was to make new draftees comfortable, and wanted them to come in to a very different environment and culture than he did when he was drafted.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

45 minutes ago, bingers said:

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/geelongs-joel-selwood-under-fire-for-blatant-throw-in-loss-to-melbourne-c-3748015

Never understand why the media doesn't call out Selwood. (Well, other than the The West - see link.) He's a genuine s@#t bloke.

Also in their run of goals ... Selwood holding Oliver off the ball, ump gives the free to Selwood! Danger then runs 20m and goals.

(A lot of long runs in the game, by both teams.)

When Selwood & Danger get in trouble close in they're almost guaranteed to throw it. The dive/pick up ball/throw in one move is perfectly executed by the Cats team. Pity it's not part of the game.

The umpiring was not awful compared to some recent games, but still some bewildering trends in AFL football ... protected zone infringements. Short kicks paid as marks (some were not paid, so why not all/most?). In the back not paid (but some were paid, so why not all/most?).

Max grappled with and held at many contests. One throw-in in the 3rd, Hawkins was rucking and basically just whacked Max's arm. Didn't even attempt the contest.

With the umps miced up and no crowds its possible to hear just how absurd the "nominated ruckmen" rule is. Why wait for someone to pipe up and nominate? Just throw the thing up or in. If a team isn't ready, hard cheese.

And the amount of player-coaching by the umps does my head in. The umps should not need to say anything. Maybe "play on" is the only thing. ""Foot on the line ... foot on the line ... foot on the line" ... "back 2 metres .... back 2 metres Joel" ... if the player doesn't comply, give a fifty. Watch how quickly they start to comply.

[Kozzie4PM 765]

On 8/21/2021 at 11:08 PM, Swooper1987 said:

If anyone doubted Gawn's ability as a leader that should be completely put to bed after his last quarter tonight.  As great as Oliver was, Gawn was the momentum changer in the last.  Jackson was a non event tonight and Gawn's last quarter was one of the great Captain's efforts.  For those who followed footy in the 80's, that shot at goal after the siren might bring back memories of 1987 final round.  Steve Kernahan had to do the same as Max to seal top spot for Carlton.  He did, and it probably won them the flag.  Let's hope history repeats.

I just went and watched this clip on YouTube out of interest. It was at Waverley and you couldn't hear the siren sound!!!! Pity no-one thought to fix it!!

Anyway this is a positive thread - sorry for the derailing 😂

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

8 hours ago, A F said:

Is this on the AFL site mate? Would love to watch it.

'The Countdown' has featured a few times of late.  .

https://www.afl.com.au/video/666764/hey-coach-make-this-rule-crystal-clear-name-a-medal-after-him?videoId=666764&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1629347831001

Edited August 22, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[dpositive 1,665]

On 8/21/2021 at 11:10 PM, Lord Nev said:

 

This was probably the highlight for me.

The unbridled joy of the celebration of the players was fuelled not just for personal adulation but with recognition of the joint journey that the whole club has taken.

This expression of the win can indeed be the foundation for the decade of dominance I have been outlining for most of the last few years.

Trac also stated the jobs not done yet.

We need to make sure we control our reactions to enjoy this moment but to make sure we consolidate to 

[Pates 9,660]

21 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Also in their run of goals ... Selwood holding Oliver off the ball, ump gives the free to Selwood! Danger then runs 20m and goals.

(A lot of long runs in the game, by both teams.)

When Selwood & Danger get in trouble close in they're almost guaranteed to throw it. The dive/pick up ball/throw in one move is perfectly executed by the Cats team. Pity it's not part of the game.

The umpiring was not awful compared to some recent games, but still some bewildering trends in AFL football ... protected zone infringements. Short kicks paid as marks (some were not paid, so why not all/most?). In the back not paid (but some were paid, so why not all/most?).

Max grappled with and held at many contests. One throw-in in the 3rd, Hawkins was rucking and basically just whacked Max's arm. Didn't even attempt the contest.

With the umps miced up and no crowds its possible to hear just how absurd the "nominated ruckmen" rule is. Why wait for someone to pipe up and nominate? Just throw the thing up or in. If a team isn't ready, hard cheese.

And the amount of player-coaching by the umps does my head in. The umps should not need to say anything. Maybe "play on" is the only thing. ""Foot on the line ... foot on the line ... foot on the line" ... "back 2 metres .... back 2 metres Joel" ... if the player doesn't comply, give a fifty. Watch how quickly they start to comply.

A little bizarre of them to pluck that out and make an article but I was screaming at the TV on a number of decisions that were throws/incorrect disposal/HTB. That block on Max Gawn where he was in perfect position to mark the ball but the Cats player blatantly blocked him out of the contest gifted them a goal. 

The lack of consistency with the deliberate OOB really p***ed me off. 

[dpositive 1,665]

Finally got through this thread and had difficulty responding but all now appears ok.

The half time interview with Danger I stated to my friend that he looked absolutely exhausted. I said they are old we are doing nothing wrong just that 10 minutes of brilliance aided by the umpiring.. His grey face and sweat brow reminded me of me after a hard Squash game when I have given everything.

They are old I said and we should run over them. Didn't really expect the win but also said this will really be the test.

This result is a changing of the guard and if you have been following my post the last two years justifies my optimism that this is the beginning of a decade of dominance. 

Just can't wait for the flag, if we are unable to attend we will still celebrate for months until the next one which we will attend. In the mean time as Trac said we will be able to wear ouclours with a renewed pride and confidence.

This is a team on the cusp of greatness.  GO DEES

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

59 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Also in their run of goals ... Selwood holding Oliver off the ball, ump gives the free to Selwood! Danger then runs 20m and goals.

(A lot of long runs in the game, by both teams.)

When Selwood & Danger get in trouble close in they're almost guaranteed to throw it. The dive/pick up ball/throw in one move is perfectly executed by the Cats team. Pity it's not part of the game.

The umpiring was not awful compared to some recent games, but still some bewildering trends in AFL football ... protected zone infringements. Short kicks paid as marks (some were not paid, so why not all/most?). In the back not paid (but some were paid, so why not all/most?).

Max grappled with and held at many contests. One throw-in in the 3rd, Hawkins was rucking and basically just whacked Max's arm. Didn't even attempt the contest.

With the umps miced up and no crowds its possible to hear just how absurd the "nominated ruckmen" rule is. Why wait for someone to pipe up and nominate? Just throw the thing up or in. If a team isn't ready, hard cheese.

And the amount of player-coaching by the umps does my head in. The umps should not need to say anything. Maybe "play on" is the only thing. ""Foot on the line ... foot on the line ... foot on the line" ... "back 2 metres .... back 2 metres Joel" ... if the player doesn't comply, give a fifty. Watch how quickly they start to comply.

It's probably been stated multiple times in this thread already, but the deliberate out of bounds rule was applied extremely inconsistently in the favour of our opponent yet again against Geelong.  There were also multiple other occations it cost us, not just in the dying minutes.  Chris Scott doesn't have any leg to stand on questioning the validity of that 50m penalty, unless he's also brings the paid/not paid deliberate out of bounds into the conversation.

Thankfully unlike against Adelaide, it didn't cost us the game this time, but it's a bit of a trend that we get such a rubbish rub of the green with these decisions compared to our opponents.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

49 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Also in their run of goals ... Selwood holding Oliver off the ball, ump gives the free to Selwood! Danger then runs 20m and goals.

(A lot of long runs in the game, by both teams.)

When Selwood & Danger get in trouble close in they're almost guaranteed to throw it. The dive/pick up ball/throw in one move is perfectly executed by the Cats team. Pity it's not part of the game.

The umpiring was not awful compared to some recent games, but still some bewildering trends in AFL football ... protected zone infringements. Short kicks paid as marks (some were not paid, so why not all/most?). In the back not paid (but some were paid, so why not all/most?).

Max grappled with and held at many contests. One throw-in in the 3rd, Hawkins was rucking and basically just whacked Max's arm. Didn't even attempt the contest.

With the umps miced up and no crowds its possible to hear just how absurd the "nominated ruckmen" rule is. Why wait for someone to pipe up and nominate? Just throw the thing up or in. If a team isn't ready, hard cheese.

And the amount of player-coaching by the umps does my head in. The umps should not need to say anything. Maybe "play on" is the only thing. ""Foot on the line ... foot on the line ... foot on the line" ... "back 2 metres .... back 2 metres Joel" ... if the player doesn't comply, give a fifty. Watch how quickly they start to comply.

The holding of Clarry reverse free was just another in a conga line of ridiculous frees / non frees including Selwood's rugby pass on the wing that everyone missed including all paid AFL representatives on the Chanel 7 commentary team.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[Wrecker46 2,983]

1 hour ago, Dido said:

Daisy Pearce has the temperament and the footy smarts to be the first female AFL coach. Come on Daisy, blaze the trail!

 

After Goodwin wins 3 premierships he will have the smarts to start succession planning after seeing what Roos did and the contrast to what's happened with Clarko.

Daisy's old man was a legendary coach.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

15 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

This one?

 

Nice work Zephyr.

Understand you were just making good on a request, however, personally I'm a bit over the whole Titanic thing (so 2018).

I think the respective clips from that final kick of Rd 1, 2018 and Rd 23, 2021 would make some great bookends within a video collage of the team's journey over the past 5 or so years, but I think we need to wait so that the closing scene could be the cup being raised.

This win in Saturday was such a great moment, but I really love how the players have expressed that the jobs not done yet.

COME-ON DEMONS!!!

Just another 3 more wins between now and the end of this season to make good on a lifetime of supporting the Red and Blue.

[drdrake 3,163]

It was interesting listening to Viney on the Footy Show yesterday.  The question was what changed at half time, his answer was we were to along the lines of we were to predictable with our taps and clearance set up, Geelong was just picking us off.  They changed this at half time to be more aggressive with the tap and clearance, hitting the ball forward and Max grabbing a few out of the ruck.

Geelong was just picking Max off in the second qtr, I hate the hit that just drops the ball at the back of the centre circle, every time a team gets dominance in the centre they pick this tap off, when we get aggressive with our tap work it is less predictable. 

Tmac is a worry, if he can't run around he struggles, that is his strength, he looked like a block that couldn't accelerate.  Hoping the run helped, you would almost add Melksham to tag Rich.

Edited August 22, 2021 by drdrake

[dazzledavey36 54,944]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

May has waited his whole career to play finals. He’s 29. He would have felt immense happiness at that moment. In fact when Gawn marks it, May is behind him on the goal line (assuming set play to take away a defender) and he’s jumping up and down and then goes over to Gawn to pump him up. 

I think I feel a bit more for Jayden Hunt more then anyone.

In 2018 we were three weeks from playing finals and he damages his ankle against Sydney which ruled him out of the finals campaign. 

Plays all year this year and a big contributor towards our success and yet hurts his ankle 3 weeks ago again, and in serious doubt not play finals.

Hunt has been at this football club since the rebuild took place when Paul Roos came on board. 

I like Steven May, but I'm hurting more for Jayden Hunt.

[Jaded No More 68,915]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think I feel a bit more for Jayden Hunt more then anyone.

In 2018 we were three weeks from playing finals and he damages his ankle against Sydney which ruled him out of the finals campaign. 

Plays all year this year and a big contributor towards our success and yet hurts his ankle 3 weeks ago again, and in serious doubt not play finals.

Hunt has been at this football club since the rebuild took place when Paul Roos came on board. 

I like Steven May, but I'm hurting more for Jayden Hunt.

Oh I totally agree. I mean you can mount a case for Jones and Jetta too.

But I haven't ruled Hunt out. If he can recover, he will come back. Nobody has made a strong claim for his role, and he can absolutely play more defensively if we need him too and let Bowey play more attacking. And Bowey may tire anyway.

I haven't written Hunt off yet!

 

[dazzledavey36 54,944]

4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Oh I totally agree. I mean you can mount a case for Jones and Jetta too.

But I haven't ruled Hunt out. If he can recover, he will come back. Nobody has made a strong claim for his role, and he can absolutely play more defensively if we need him too and let Bowey play more attacking. And Bowey may tire anyway.

I haven't written Hunt off yet!

 

Hope so mate. I have my fingers crossed.

I also have my fingers crossed that we can somehow have Nathan Jones involved in some capacity even as a sub.