Tasmanian AFL Team

[Demonstone 22,792]

16 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I hope it also includes a 'map of Tasmania' - one of my favourite images.

You'd face a dilemma if the AFL ever accepts a new team from Rio de Janeiro.  

[TheWiz 782]

4 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Ideally they fold a Victorian club up. Will never happen but 18 clubs is enough.

Agreed. I thought they might do that with North, but given the latest cash pump and draft package they’re probably safe!

[whatwhat say what 22,897]

15 hours ago, 58er said:

Is that why The AFL have to pour millions into the GC/GWS coffers?  Crowds do matter when you talking about 10,000 each week at home and away venues involving these 2 Clubs.

Their bottom lines would be reasonable and AFL not have to prop them up after a decade. 

the millions the afl pours into gc17 / gw$ is still less than the increase in broadcast rights that they have brought in

[WAGSLEFTFOOT 40]

A quick trademark search had the image below and the Tasmanian Devils Football Club both in the trademark process.

So I'd imagine itll be the green jumper with that logo

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,408]

6 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Agree Mr Mumbai however everyone knows that the AFL is only a "good news" organisation.

Out of interest had North taken the money and gone to the Gold Coast where would the team be located to even the numbers or would we be without Freo?

If North became the Suns would we then not have an uneven number? Tassie then becomes the 18th team. 
 

Im all for a team in Tassie but my fear is having a 19th & 20th team will dilute the product too much. We don’t have the population / talent to justify this. 2 teams in each of QLD, NSW, SA, WA plus 9 in Melbourne plus Tassie works. Next they’ll want to change the finals system.

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4 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Agreed. I thought they might do that with North, but given the latest cash pump and draft package they’re probably safe!

Yes they are, and the cycle continues.

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40 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Im all for a team in Tassie but my fear is having a 19th & 20th team will dilute the product too much. We don’t have the population / talent to justify this. 2 teams in each of QLD, NSW, SA, WA plus 9 in Melbourne plus Tassie works. Next they’ll want to change the finals system.

The difference in population between 2012 (22.9million) when the Giants came into the system, and 2028 (29.0million) which is when the Tassie side comes in.... increase of 6.1 million people or 26% increase in population.

... pretty sure Australia has the population to support another 40 men and women players.

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18 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

The difference in population between 2012 (22.9million) when the Giants came into the system, and 2028 (29.0million) which is when the Tassie side comes in.... increase of 6.1 million people or 26% increase in population.

... pretty sure Australia has the population to support another 40 men and women players.

I don’t agree, quantity doesn’t always equate to quality. We currently have 25.69 million people and teams have holes in their lists. Not every team has a big name key fwd or ruck.  Was talking earlier tonight to my mate who supports Collingwood, he says he’s worried about their depth. After the flag in 21 everyone was on here was taking up our depth on here, how’s that quickly turned. 

[mauriesy 7,352]

Doesn't really matter what our population is, it's how many start playing in the junior ranks to feed the senior competition and whether these numbers increase with anticipated population growth, stay the same or even maybe decrease.

One factor will competition from other junior sports. Another could be parents' negative attitude to their children potentially facing contact injury and concussion.

[Diamond_Jim 12,624]

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

If North became the Suns would we then not have an uneven number? Tassie then becomes the 18th team. 

Yes except that Tasmania wouldn't have got a look in at that time

[Kent 2,913]

10 hours ago, WAGSLEFTFOOT said:

A quick trademark search had the image below and the Tasmanian Devils Football Club both in the trademark process.

So I'd imagine itll be the green jumper with that logo

How original Woweee somebody really went to town on artistic input 

[whatwhat say what 22,897]

33 minutes ago, Kent said:

How original Woweee somebody really went to town on artistic input 

Some consultant got paid a fortune to come up with that 

[leave it to deever 17,517]

On 09/05/2023 at 15:05, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I’m happy that Tasmania is getting a team but not as a 19th team, the competition can’t sustain 19 or 20 teams at the moment

You make a good point.

Perhaps in its Qld and NSW land grab, the AFL pulled the trigger too early there instead of going the route of Tassie first 

Or is it a case of Tassie itself not big enough?

[ElDiablo14 5,002]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

You make a good point.

Perhaps in its Qld and NSW land grab, the AFL pulled the trigger too early there instead of going the route of Tassie first 

Or is it a case of Tassie itself not big enough?

Wouldn't Tassie be as big, if not bigger, as Geelong? From a market size point of view.

[daisycutter 29,701]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

Some consultant got paid a fortune to come up with that 

i think you mean plagiarise that.

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Yep, it's almost identical to Geelong, and the business case for the team focused on a similar model to Geelong, also the Green Bay Packers in the US.

Whilst the move to the GC hasn't been a successful one in terms of playing finals etc, the talent pathways, junior development etc looks to have been exceptionally strong. I don't know about Sydney so much.

Tassie is a football heartland, but it's been left to fend for itself for a long time, I have no doubt the talent is here, it's about getting pathways built so that the team isn't seen to be draining talent from outside of its pathways. Plus a restructuring of the competitions that feed the AFL/AFLW team 

It's still very useful to see how the Jack Jumpers have been successful here in Tassie, since their inception, 43% increase in club participation, you cannot get tickets for home games (three seasons in, every home game is completely sold out.) There is also a noted shortage of courts available to meet the needs of all of the competitions across the state.
In terms of pathway development Tassie has 3 of the highest-rated players at the national under20s this year in Jacob Furphy, Lachlan Brewer, and Kye Savage.) 

Once the NIMBY's in Tasmania who are still opposed to a stadium, and the building of a high-performance centre get silenced, hopefully, Tas will be able to show that it can compete, but more importantly, can produce talent pathways that make it sustainable.  The Tassie Devils were the minor premiers in the Coates league last year, and there were a respectable number of players drafted, including 3 in the first round of the draft.  Figures for the AFLW are not dissimilar I don't believe.

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2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

Some consultant got paid a fortune to come up with that 

Personally, as a Tasmanian, I'm not super enthused by the design above. But in terms of history and tradition, it's akin to the Big V for Victorians. Tassie played as the Devils in the VFL, and our junior teams have been the Devils in the Coates League, national champs, etc.... It's probably a little lazy, but it's incredibly popular and nostalgia attached. 

I am almost 100% sure that a green jumper will be used,  and likely to have yellow and red incorporated into it as well.  Not sure I want the map or not though....

[daisycutter 29,701]

25 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Wouldn't Tassie be as big, if not bigger, as Geelong? From a market size point of view.

geelong 250k approx, hobart 210k approx, so reasonably comparable

didn't include rest of tassie as most is > 2.5 hours away

however same for geelong which has huge feeder area along the south west coastline and the western districts

i'd give geelong a larger population "reach" than tassie in the wider picture, but not that much greater

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17 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

geelong 250k approx, hobart 210k approx, so reasonably comparable

didn't include rest of tassie as most is > 2.5 hours away

however same for geelong which has huge feeder area along the south west coastline and the western districts

i'd give geelong a larger population "reach" than tassie in the wider picture, but not that much greater

Both populations are a bit higher now, especially when you look at both Greater Hobart Population (260k) and Greater Geelong (276k) 
The whole of Tas will get behind the team, but in terms of immediate population, I know what you mean, but in terms of access to feeder/talent pathways, I'm going to assume that for a few years, Tasmania will have first rights to the local talent similar to the northern states. But as a traditional football state I don't think that it would last all that long.

[ElDiablo14 5,002]

23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

geelong 250k approx, hobart 210k approx, so reasonably comparable

didn't include rest of tassie as most is > 2.5 hours away

however same for geelong which has huge feeder area along the south west coastline and the western districts

i'd give geelong a larger population "reach" than tassie in the wider picture, but not that much greater

But probably the Tassie team would have a couple of games up in Launceston to grow the following in the North. So maybe we should expect at least close to 300k "reach".

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,433]

13 hours ago, Ouch! said:

The difference in population between 2012 (22.9million) when the Giants came into the system, and 2028 (29.0million) which is when the Tassie side comes in.... increase of 6.1 million people or 26% increase in population.

... pretty sure Australia has the population to support another 40 men and women players.

A fair share of that increase would have arrived from places that haven't necessarily engaged with AFL football to date but it's still a good point you make. 

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5 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

A fair share of that increase would have arrived from places that haven't necessarily engaged with AFL football to date but it's still a good point you make. 

Yep, totally agree, however I think we are also starting to see more participants across a lot of sports coming from these migrant societies too, which is pretty exciting too. 

[daisycutter 29,701]

48 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

But probably the Tassie team would have a couple of games up in Launceston to grow the following in the North. So maybe we should expect at least close to 300k "reach".

the "reach" for talent/pathways/supporters would be the whole of tassie. that must be getting close to about 550k now

 

[Bystander 903]

21 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

the millions the afl pours into gc17 / gw$ is still less than the increase in broadcast rights that they have brought in

Yes I've heard that. But I don't believe it. Empire building.

[Demon17 5,191]

6 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Wouldn't Tassie be as big, if not bigger, as Geelong? From a market size point of view.

Tassie is but that's not the point. Geelong is bigger than Hobart and growing . Hobart's flatlined as has the state for decades.