Finals 2021

[Deefiant 427]

39 minutes ago, Dante said:

AZ has been available by the truckload for a while and has also been available for those under 60 for a while. Andrews has been pushing AZ too, the only one who hasn't is that [censored] health advisor up in Qld and she changed her mind a day after saying she wouldn't allow it.

Don't think you can say under 40's have had plenty opportunity to get it. ScoMo only announced that under 40's could get it on June 28, night https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/atagi-co-chair-pours-cold-water-on-morrison-az-comments/100257392. Give another week for GP's to get processes in place so it could go ahead. So realistically it was only available from July 5. Considering the 12 week gap between injections, that realistically only gives under 40's a 3 week gap to get it before the grand final. 

This also meant that people are going ATAGI's advice of waiting to get Pfizer. 

[Dante 2,562]

30 minutes ago, Deefiant said:

Don't think you can say under 40's have had plenty opportunity to get it. ScoMo only announced that under 40's could get it on June 28, night https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/atagi-co-chair-pours-cold-water-on-morrison-az-comments/100257392. Give another week for GP's to get processes in place so it could go ahead. So realistically it was only available from July 5. Considering the 12 week gap between injections, that realistically only gives under 40's a 3 week gap to get it before the grand final. 

This also meant that people are going ATAGI's advice of waiting to get Pfizer. 

Actually you can reduce the time between jabs to 8 weeks, I did.

[hardtack 10,127]

9 minutes ago, Dante said:

Actually you can reduce the time between jabs to 8 weeks, I did.

Yes, you can, but apparently the effectiveness is somewhat compromised/reduced by a few percentage points.  I'm hanging out for the full 12 weeks (2 weeks from today) for my second jab of AZ.

[WalkingCivilWar 33,077]

1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

I asked Gary Pert and it seems GFG is not transferable - hopefully this changes given the extenuating circumstances 

I hope it does change. For fans like @DEE fence (lives and works abroad and has family in Perth) this would be great. 

[old dee 22,966]

37 minutes ago, Dante said:

Actually you can reduce the time between jabs to 8 weeks, I did.

The down side Dante is you do reduce the effect. However I see why you would do it. Fortunately I got my first shot early and waited the 12 weeks. 

[old dee 22,966]

31 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Yes, you can, but apparently the effectiveness is somewhat compromised/reduced by a few percentage points.  I'm hanging out for the full 12 weeks (2 weeks from today) for my second jab of AZ.

Hang loose hardtack. 

[old dee 22,966]

1 hour ago, Deefiant said:

Don't think you can say under 40's have had plenty opportunity to get it. ScoMo only announced that under 40's could get it on June 28, night https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/atagi-co-chair-pours-cold-water-on-morrison-az-comments/100257392. Give another week for GP's to get processes in place so it could go ahead. So realistically it was only available from July 5. Considering the 12 week gap between injections, that realistically only gives under 40's a 3 week gap to get it before the grand final. 

This also meant that people are going ATAGI's advice of waiting to get Pfizer. 

In Queensland I think if you try to get AZ they shoot you!!!!!!

[Dante 2,562]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

The down side Dante is you do reduce the effect. However I see why you would do it. Fortunately I got my first shot early and waited the 12 weeks. 

I believe the reduction in efficacy is about 1or 2 %, the opposite is far more dangerous.

[Dante 2,562]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

In Queensland I think if you try to get AZ they shoot you!!!!!!

The crazy woman in charge of the Health of all Queenslanders is the one with the gun.

 

[cookieboc 670]

got my first pfizer yesterday. got a text today saying that I am due my second shot. The paper work yesterday said I am due on the 5th of September. 3 weeks between vaccinations.

[WalkingCivilWar 33,077]

7 minutes ago, cookieboc said:

got my first pfizer yesterday. got a text today saying that I am due my second shot. The paper work yesterday said I am due on the 5th of September. 3 weeks between vaccinations.

Any side effects Cookie? I mean, apart from the fact that you now post in large, italic purple type? 😁

[old dee 22,966]

14 minutes ago, Dante said:

The crazy woman in charge of the Health of all Queenslanders is the one with the gun.

 

Don’t touch the football looks minor by comparison. 

[binman 38,995]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Its funny you should post that DL.

As a glass half full sort, i was thinking that no pre finals bye would actually work in our favour given our fitness, but in particular how healthy our loss is (touch wood).

Not sure about the Power, but the dogs and Cats are limping along a bit and would love that extra week to get prepared for the qualifying finals.

I've never liked the pre finals bye, not that has been an issue for us!

It is important to remember why it was brought in - which was primarily to stop teams sending out a b team in the last round in dead rubbers to keep players fresh for the finals.

The trigger was freo under lyon dong juts that against the hawks down in tassie. It was stupid knee jerk decision 

In the years since there has been some revisionism and it is often said the benefit of it is that teams have their best shot of having their best team on the park in the first week of finals. And by doing so creating a more level playing field.

But that is actually the key reason i don't like it.

Teams who have prepared well, are fit and are in ok shape injury wise (through luck and/or good management) are disadvantaged. And teams that win the qualifying final then have two week break before the prelim.

So lets say the team that finishes top, has an easy win again the team that finished 4th. And lest say they had dead rubber in round 23. Come the prelim they might have only played one tough game in 5 weeks - two if the qualifying final is tough.

The stat swamp highlights seem to support the contention the pre finals bye disadvantages the top 4 teams  

 

[Diamond_Jim 11,967]

If we win and Dogs lose by not much and thus stay fourth where do people think the game might be?

I recall a commentator suggesting Tasmania but surely not.

Alice Springs temperatures looking nice for a night game

[Witches Hat 232]

Friend of a friend who knows someone related to a taxi driver who reckons he knows someone who works for the AFL tells me the bye will be after the preliminary final to keep all options open for a Grand Final full (ish) house.

[titan_uranus 22,725]

3 hours ago, Deefiant said:

Don't think you can say under 40's have had plenty opportunity to get it. ScoMo only announced that under 40's could get it on June 28, night https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-01/atagi-co-chair-pours-cold-water-on-morrison-az-comments/100257392. Give another week for GP's to get processes in place so it could go ahead. So realistically it was only available from July 5. Considering the 12 week gap between injections, that realistically only gives under 40's a 3 week gap to get it before the grand final. 

This also meant that people are going ATAGI's advice of waiting to get Pfizer. 

Pfizer was made available to Victorians 40 and over in late May https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/vaccine-roll-out-expand-all-victorians-40-and-over

Edit: my mistake, thought the discussion was about over 40s, not under.

Edited August 16, 2021 by titan_uranus

[hardtack 10,127]

56 minutes ago, Dante said:

I believe the reduction in efficacy is about 1or 2 %, the opposite is far more dangerous.

This is a quote from The Conversation site, re effectiveness based on time between shots:

”Leaving 6-8 weeks between shots increased efficacy to 59.9%, and waiting 9-11 weeks, efficacy was 63.7%. However, if the gap was 12 weeks or longer efficacy jumped to 81.3%.”

[BillyBeane 211]

Was interested to see the H&A w-l formlines for each of the premiership teams of the last 10 years.  

Premiership Team Form lines last 6 rounds of H&A Season:
 
Richmond 2020 - 6-0
Richmond 2019 - 6-0
West Coast 2018 - 4-2
Richmond 2017 - 5-1
Western Bulldogs 2016 - 3-3
Hawthorn 2015 - 4-2
Hawthorn 2014 - 5-1
Hawthorn 2013 - 5-1
Sydney 2012 - 3-3
Geelong 2011 - 5-1

Formline Last 5 Games 2021 (not including final round)
Melbourne - 3-1-1
Geelong - 4-1
Western Bulldogs - 3-2
Port Adelaide - 5-0

They are just stats but Port, despite their shaky record against top teams are a genuine threat based on the numbers.  

[Dr. Gonzo 22,572]

53 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Pfizer was made available to Victorians 40 and over in late May https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/vaccine-roll-out-expand-all-victorians-40-and-over

And under 40s?

[Dante 2,562]

59 minutes ago, hardtack said:

This is a quote from The Conversation site, re effectiveness based on time between shots:

”Leaving 6-8 weeks between shots increased efficacy to 59.9%, and waiting 9-11 weeks, efficacy was 63.7%. However, if the gap was 12 weeks or longer efficacy jumped to 81.3%.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-07-05/astrazeneca-vaccine-timing-doses/100259926

"The data shows that if you do move things back to say, eight weeks, it's not a huge amount that you lose."

[cookieboc 670]

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Any side effects Cookie? I mean, apart from the fact that you now post in large, italic purple type? 😁

that's purple?

[titan_uranus 22,725]

1 hour ago, BillyBeane said:

Was interested to see the H&A w-l formlines for each of the premiership teams of the last 10 years.  

Premiership Team Form lines last 6 rounds of H&A Season:
 
Richmond 2020 - 6-0
Richmond 2019 - 6-0
West Coast 2018 - 4-2
Richmond 2017 - 5-1
Western Bulldogs 2016 - 3-3
Hawthorn 2015 - 4-2
Hawthorn 2014 - 5-1
Hawthorn 2013 - 5-1
Sydney 2012 - 3-3
Geelong 2011 - 5-1

Formline Last 5 Games 2021 (not including final round)
Melbourne - 3-1-1
Geelong - 4-1
Western Bulldogs - 3-2
Port Adelaide - 5-0

They are just stats but Port, despite their shaky record against top teams are a genuine threat based on the numbers.  

Yep, there is increasingly little doubt that you have to be in some sort of form at the end of the season to be relevant in the finals. It's not essential, given that Richmond aside every premier has lost at least once late in the season, and some lost multiple times, but it's relevant.

If we win this weekend our 4-1-1 formline will be completely fine, but obviously Port is peaking at the right time.

48 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And under 40s?

Totally misread the post I quoted and thought the discussion was in relation to over 40s access to the vaccine, not under 40s.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,370]

1 hour ago, Witches Hat said:

Friend of a friend who knows someone related to a taxi driver who reckons he knows someone who works for the AFL tells me the bye will be after the preliminary final to keep all options open for a Grand Final full (ish) house.

At which stadium?

Remarkably, the AFL and MCC are still in discussions to have 50% at the MCG, as much of a Hail Mary that proposition is.

[dees189227 10,952]

Hey has anyone else started thinking through the scenario if we are in the prelim, it's the 25 minute mark and we are going to win. Goody soon has to start thinking about getting good players off for the big one so we can't have a risk of an injury or worse a concussion. What 4 players would you take off? 

I'm thinking Maxy, May, Lever then either Oliver or Trac. 

[hardtack 10,127]

1 hour ago, Dante said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-07-05/astrazeneca-vaccine-timing-doses/100259926

"The data shows that if you do move things back to say, eight weeks, it's not a huge amount that you lose."

Yes, but they don’t say roughly how much, but they do mention the 81% at 12 weeks which is the same as mentioned in my earlier quote… so I’m guessing the figure they’re not providing probably matches (or thereabouts), the figure in my quote. Either way, the protection is way better than the alternative.