COVID & AFL 2021

[Jaded No More 68,974]

I would be thrilled to play Port in Geelong. Good practice for round 22, no home ground advantage to Port, and we can attend the game. Happy days. 
The MCG would be better but I’m not picky. 

[brendan 3,437]

Should play port at Mars stadium in Ballarat if extra venues will be needed 

[titan_uranus 25,043]

8 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I would be thrilled to play Port in Geelong. Good practice for round 22, no home ground advantage to Port, and we can attend the game. Happy days. 
The MCG would be better but I’m not picky. 

Is there any real doubt about us being able to play Port in Adelaide?

SA's current rules don't prohibit it. By the time of the game we won't have been in NSW in the previous fortnight so unless things get worse from here, we'll be going to Adelaide won't we?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,300]

1 hour ago, Chook said:

With regard to COVID in 2021, I'd love for the media to ban the word crisis in favour of the word situation.

2020 was a crisis. This is nothing compared to that.

You want the media to use LESS emotive language? ???

[Superunknown 4,223]

On 6/26/2021 at 6:26 PM, Jara said:

Yep - and the 'gold standard' contact tracing team didn't even know he existed, even though he was the father of the host. Be really annoying if it gets away in Victoria because Gladys was too proud to order a lockdown. 

Bloody Murdoch press - I reckon they share some of the blame for Victoria's disaster last year- Andrews was slow to impose lockdowns because of the hysteria from Rupert's hitmen (and woman)  Imagine if we'd had Whiney O'Brien as our Premier. All he ever did was to squark 'open up! Open up!' We'd have had a death toll in the thousands.

Do you have any reports/data to the effect the contact tracers didn't know he existed?

Contact tracing relies on what people tell them.

[Superunknown 4,223]

14 hours ago, binman said:

Maybe I should wait to books flights and a hotel room for the port game.

We were due to drive the Sunshine Coast from NNSW on Wed morning for family hols, and just cancelled. Erring on low risk approach would be prudent.

[Jaded No More 68,974]

1 minute ago, Superunknown said:

Do you have any reports/data to the effect the contact tracers didn't know he existed?

Contact tracing relies on what people tell them.

How did that Virgin flight attendant not know she was a close contact of a case in NSW? She was on 5 flights! That one just pisses me right off! 

[Superunknown 4,223]

12 hours ago, Jaded said:

I can’t understand why these states are so dumb. WA had one case for goodness sake. What is the chance that one case infected the entire West Coast and Freo sides? 
Surely states can get each club tested prior to boarding a charter flight (say test 10 hours prior to flight, between getting tested and boarding flight players are in lockdown at home). You get off the plane, you go to the ground, you play your game, you get the hell out. 
There is no interaction with the community. There is no risk. 
Apart from NSW where there is currently a really bad outbreak, the rest of the teams should be let in and out for the purpose of playing. It really is idiotic when we play in such controlled environments. 

Because you can return 3 negative tests then a positive one.

"There is no risk" - that is a very big statement for a highly transmissable disease, higher R0, and tranmission possible via fleeting transmission of an aerosolized virus.

[Superunknown 4,223]

5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

How did that Virgin flight attendant not know she was a close contact of a case in NSW? She was on 5 flights! That one just pisses me right off! 

Because you don't know you're a contact until you're advised, which doesn't occur until the contact tracing is done. If QR coded, this is as I understand NSW's system, is largely automated, but for a party etc, it's manually done.

The better question for the flight attendant case, is why are all flight crew not mandated to have had a vaccine (along with the transport people).

[daisycutter 29,738]

15 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

 

The better question for the flight attendant case, is why are all flight crew not mandated to have had a vaccine (along with the transport people).

and you could add aged care workers......according to saturday age report an astonishing 2/3 are not vaccinated 

[titan_uranus 25,043]

22 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Because you don't know you're a contact until you're advised, which doesn't occur until the contact tracing is done. If QR coded, this is as I understand NSW's system, is largely automated, but for a party etc, it's manually done.

The better question for the flight attendant case, is why are all flight crew not mandated to have had a vaccine (along with the transport people).

Well the other way to know you're a close contact is to check the exposure site listings online.

We don't know if the flight attendant was a close contact by way of an exposure site, but if they were, and they didn't check, that hurts.

I agree with your question though. Who have we been vaccinating this whole time if not frontline workers? How was the limo driver both unvaccinated and allowed to work without a mask? These sorts of mistakes are unforgiveable in June 2021, 15 months in.

[daisycutter 29,738]

7 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

 

I agree with your question though. Who have we been vaccinating this whole time if not frontline workers? How was the limo driver both unvaccinated and allowed to work without a mask? These sorts of mistakes are unforgiveable in June 2021, 15 months in.

 

i think the reason seems to be legal. i.e. people have a legal right to be not vaccinated (or to wait) and can't be forced or fired.

seems strange to me in certain industries but that's what it seems to be

[Superunknown 4,223]

35 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Well the other way to know you're a close contact is to check the exposure site listings online.

 

Also true, but that relies on people actively checking this. The bloke runs a busy dry cleaners, so absent any reason to think otherwise (symptoms, a phone call), it probably wasn't top of mind. That's not an excuse, but a reason.

[Superunknown 4,223]

26 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i think the reason seems to be legal. i.e. people have a legal right to be not vaccinated (or to wait) and can't be forced or fired.

seems strange to me in certain industries but that's what it seems to be

If you don't have a medical reason for not being vaccinated, then you can be moved from front line/customer facing roles. It happens in health all the time, and is happening now. (Obviously your options as a limo driver are probably narrower than a nurse who can be shifted to admin duties)

45 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and you could add aged care workers......according to saturday age report an astonishing 2/3 are not vaccinated 

"I don't hold the needle, mate". Of the 1/3 who have had at least one shot, of those, only half again have two (source: RN Breakfast Raina McIntyre from the Kirby Institute, this AM).

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

13 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Is there any real doubt about us being able to play Port in Adelaide?

SA's current rules don't prohibit it. By the time of the game we won't have been in NSW in the previous fortnight so unless things get worse from here, we'll be going to Adelaide won't we?

Yeah we would.

Unless the AFL implements an 18 club hub in Victoria, we'll be playing Port over there if both states are open to each other, which they obviously are now.

 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,496]

21 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If they move any further right they'll be to the right of Mussolini.

But to the left of Boris. 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,496]

20 hours ago, Jaded said:

SA closing their borders to basically everyone… could we get lucky and play Port in Melbourne? 

We could even play Port in Melbourne at Port Melbourne. 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,496]

14 hours ago, Jaded said:

I would be thrilled to play Port in Geelong. Good practice for round 22, no home ground advantage to Port, and we can attend the game. Happy days. 
The MCG would be better but I’m not picky. 

This could make sense for Port as the dimensions (long & thin) at Kardinia Park would be fairly similar to Adelaide Oval. 

[binman 43,764]

2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

Do you have any reports/data to the effect the contact tracers didn't know he existed?

Contact tracing relies on what people tell them.

Gold standard contract tracers:  Mary (name changed as i have no idea what her name is) how many guests did you have at your daughter's birthday party?

Mary: Oh, i don't know 25 to 30

Gold standard contract tracers: you will need to be more specific than that 

Mary: Ok, about 30

Gold standard contract tracers: Better. Can you provide a list of all the names and contact details of your guests please 

Mary: Sure

Gold standard contract tracers: now please

Mary: Oh, ok. (after 20 minutes) - here we go

Gold standard contract tracers: you sure you haven't missed anyone? No other family members?  Good, good. Look we've take up enough of your time. If there is anyone else you remember, like your Dad (chuckles) do let us know. 

Mary: Oh, ok. I have covid so I'm a bit under the weather and brain fuzzy. I assume you will show the list to the other guests and double check  i haven't missed anyone

Gold standard contract tracers: now, now Mary, you do your job and we'll do ours. Got to go Mary, just got a message about needing to let a flight attendant know they are close contact and need to isolate. You don't happen to know her do you? No, all good. I thought i could ask you to call her. No worries, i'll give her a buzz after lunch at some point. Or ask someone else too. 

Edited June 28, 2021 by binman

[Ethan Tremblay 30,967]

Anyone else hearing that due to other states closing their borders that this years grand final might be played at the MCG? 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

26 minutes ago, Ethan Trembley said:

Anyone else hearing that due to other states closing their borders that this years grand final might be played at the MCG? 

I'm also hearing that the half-time sprint will be replaced by nudists being chased by deer

[old dee 23,872]

39 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm also hearing that the half-time sprint will be replaced by nudists being chased by deer

That would a thousand times more entertaining LDC.

[old dee 23,872]

I find the last two days the funniest I have been through in nearly two years. WA has one case and locks everyone out of the football and today a 100% increase to 2 cases and the end of the world is nigh. Qld goes from 2-3 and a SEQLD lockdown is discussed as close. SA has no cases but introduces restrictions and mask wearing. Monty Python 21st century.

[ManDee 7,222]

On 6/25/2021 at 5:04 PM, titan_uranus said:

Source for either of the bolded bits?

Previously you argued AZ was being phased out and that supported your argument.

If it wasn't already clear, the commentary this week about AZ being phased out is an acknowledgement that by October Australia's over 60 population will have been fully vaccinated, meaning there will be no more use for AZ.

it is not a commentary about AZ being phased out of use for people for whom it can otherwise be used.

"Australia joins a growing list of countries to suspend the vaccine over concerns about its safety and blood clotting, despite repeated messaging from health professionals globally that the chances of getting such clots are remarkably low."

"Australia has now joined a growing number of European countries to have suspended the AstraZeneca vaccine over the past ten days, including Austria, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Lithuania and The Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland and Spain."

https://which-50.com/government-parks-astrazeneca-jab-following-blood-clot-concerns/ June 25 2021

"Canada’s National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) updated its guidance, now recommending that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna are the preferred second doses for those who took AstraZeneca as their first."

https://globalnews.ca/news/7959406/covid-vaccine-mrna-astrazeneca-canada/

 

There are a lot of mixed messages out there, enough to make me cautious. Neither of these sources are the ones I was reading last week, including from the Canadian governments own site which I cannot find today.

It may turn out that the mRNA's have more side effects than AZ, but I think that any vaccine is preferable to getting Covid 19

 

 

 

[Demonland 73,140]