Jump to content

  • Podcast:      

  • Podcast:      

COVID & AFL 2021


Demonland
 Share


Recommended Posts

40 minutes ago, Jara said:

Hey Daisy

 My wife tells me they're having a real battle in the ED to keep people out of ICU - ie keeping them in  bays, hoping they can be sent home. I gather they're really nervous about what's coming down the line. 

 

 

that's quite understandable, jara.  It must be a very difficult and uncertain job

as to what is coming down the line, i wouldn't even dare to speculate........i can only hope it gets better sooner than later

people like your wife do a great job 

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites


It's warming up out there and I'm not talking about the weather.

To date we have had the luxury of studying overseas trends in advance of significant outbreaks but not this time.

The new rules for PCR testing could see a nominal reduction in official cases but the speculation about "real numbers" will explode.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

It's warming up out there and I'm not talking about the weather.

To date we have had the luxury of studying overseas trends in advance of significant outbreaks but not this time.

The new rules for PCR testing could see a nominal reduction in official cases but the speculation about "real numbers" will explode.

The way it is looking I might finally have to take out a Kayo subscription. 

  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well here is an indicator of what is to come at AFL level in 2022. Travis head is out of Aussie test team. Has contracted Covid. 

According to the ABC report he got it in Melbourne.

Interesting that if both he and David Boon had been following the new National Cabinet testing protocols neither would have been tested.

Could this be the end of sports covid testing for the non symptomatic

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

You know the old cliche line from horror movies, "It is inside the building!"

Aged Care.

They've done everything they can to keep the virus out for as long as they can but when the choice is between not providing care at all or using staff who bring some risk of contact-spread, you just have to take the infection risk. Then once it is into your residents there's very little that can be done. It's not like there are hospitals with spare beds and staff to monitor them safely unless they are getting critical.

Thanks to lockdowns we've had time to roll out vaccinations and improve treatments. The mortality even for the (vaccinated) elderly could be as low as 1%, provided the treatment is actually available.

Unfortunately, right now all branches of health care are woefully understaffed and disrupted by daily waves of positive tests and close-contact isolations.

If anyone still remembers 'flatten the curve'; that's the whole ball game now.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Hopefully by March a large proportion of us will have had covid without too much pressure on hospitals And finally some herd immunity will occur

Herd immunity has so far been a furphy with this virus....so I wouldn't be counting on it.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

you don't get herd immunity when only 3.6% of the world  (1.65% for australia) has acquired covid

Recall reading somewhere that covid vaccination is far more effective at preventing infection than acquiring covid is against reinfection.

Will search for a link 

Edit. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

Edited by Stiff Arm
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 hours ago, daisycutter said:

you don't get herd immunity when only 3.6% of the world  (1.65% for australia) has acquired covid

No, but some countries have had significant infection/reinfection rates...South Africa I think is one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, rjay said:

Herd immunity has so far been a furphy with this virus....so I wouldn't be counting on it.

True but This variant is different. Spreads way more quickly and relatively mild so people won’t know they have it and will keep going out and about. Therefore herd immunity could well be a factor. Hopefully we see it in the northern hemisphere soon and can learn from it

before we stayed home and wanted donut days. Soon we’ll have 20K days like NSW. Plus I reckon way more people have and aren’t getting tested 

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, DubDee said:

True but This variant is different. Spreads way more quickly and relatively mild so people won’t know they have it and will keep going out and about. Therefore herd immunity could well be a factor. Hopefully we see it in the northern hemisphere soon and can learn from it

before we stayed home and wanted donut days. Soon we’ll have 20K days like NSW. Plus I reckon way more people have and aren’t getting tested 

I sure hope you are right 'DubDee'...it's been a hard few years for all of us.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Must say that the rate of increase in the recently opened States has surprised me a little given the pre entry testing that was relatively full on for the first week or so.

Qld social media is full of people lamenting the open border policy.

Will WA really open in the first week of February.

Surprised we're not letting overseas tourists in. Can't do much harm.On the other hand there's little politcal upside for the Feds to make that decision.

The Queensland pre testing rules which are unenforceable remind me of the copyright rules introduced all those years ago re taping TV chows onto VHS. (You and the family could watch it but you couldn't share the tape.)

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 12/31/2021 at 1:33 PM, Little Goffy said:

You know the old cliche line from horror movies, "It is inside the building!"

Aged Care.

They've done everything they can to keep the virus out for as long as they can but when the choice is between not providing care at all or using staff who bring some risk of contact-spread, you just have to take the infection risk. Then once it is into your residents there's very little that can be done. It's not like there are hospitals with spare beds and staff to monitor them safely unless they are getting critical.

Thanks to lockdowns we've had time to roll out vaccinations and improve treatments. The mortality even for the (vaccinated) elderly could be as low as 1%, provided the treatment is actually available.

Unfortunately, right now all branches of health care are woefully understaffed and disrupted by daily waves of positive tests and close-contact isolations.

If anyone still remembers 'flatten the curve'; that's the whole ball game now.

Yep as someone who works in aged care thankfully for the moment we have kept it out but I feel the walls are closing in. Which would just shatter me because we have kept it at bay for now and after all our hard work last year it would just annoy me as we are all doubled vaccinated and getting the booster next week.

The stupid thing is visitors must have had a flu shot before they can even enter the front door but he covid vaccine isn't mandatory for visitors. Which makes no sense. My manager has been fighting with the fed government for months on this. 

  • Like 4
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

And just after you thought things could not be more "interesting"....

Along comes another likely variant. In France at present from the Cameroons.

The medical world is on alert yet again after a new mutant Covid-19 variant emerged in France recently.

The new strain, dubbed “variant IHU” or B. 1.640.2, was first detected in the nation last month, but is now making international headlines after catching the attention of global experts.

At least 12 cases were confirmed near the Marseilles area, and it is understood that many of those patients were hospitalised with the illness.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/french-scientists-discover-new-mutant-covid-variant-which-could-be-more-resistant-to-vaccines/news-story/3f0f3dd255130ce57d68cde9292a94d6

But there could be good news.....

However, on a more positive note, the new strain does not appear to be spreading rapidly.

The article also goes on to say that it could be outcompeted by our "friend" Omicron !!

Edited by Diamond_Jim
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sometimes KB has a way with words...

Novak Djokovic is the greatest tennis player ever. Forget Laver, Agassi ,Federer,Sampras,Nadal,McEnroe,Connors and Borg for Novak has won 20 Grand Slams and 87 titles and a billion dollars without us knowing he had a debilitating medical problem.We have been taken for fools. Kb

— Kevin Bartlett (@KevinBartlett29) January 4, 2022

  • Like 2
  • Haha 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, rjay said:

Sometimes KB has a way with words...

Novak Djokovic is the greatest tennis player ever. Forget Laver, Agassi ,Federer,Sampras,Nadal,McEnroe,Connors and Borg for Novak has won 20 Grand Slams and 87 titles and a billion dollars without us knowing he had a debilitating medical problem.We have been taken for fools. Kb

— Kevin Bartlett (@KevinBartlett29) January 4, 2022

seems that catching covid in the last 6 months was an out. My cynicism radar is on full alert.

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The first game of  2022 is near the end of March. Based on the South African experience, surely the Omricon wave will have run its race by then. Assuming we don't get another variant of concerns (a big assumption i know) the 2022 season should not face too much disruption you'd hope.

However, there will likely be any number of disruptions between now and then.

The AFLW will almost certainly be impacted, particular given most players also have other jobs and so therefore are more at risk of getting Omricon than the men. The lists are smaller too, which will make fielding sides problematic if too many players have to sit out games.

And of course the AFLW is starting with numbers super high and possibly not peaking till a fair way in the AFLW season.

For the AFL, teams are almost certain to face a range of disruption, for example an impact on the training program because of positive cases in the playing and/or coaching teams.

Apart from disruption such as having to isolate groups of players and/or coaches, even with Omricon being less severe, as Kate Roffey pointed out at the Bluey elite athletes do not want to get a respiratory illness. Nor do they want any interruption to their preseason, such is the carefully calibrated program they have to complete. 

(On the severity of Omricon, there is an interesting narrative developing. All the talk is about Omricon but Delta still makes up a high percentage of cases and as i understand it also a high percentage of hospitalisations. It is still very important to take measures to reduce transmission, one to try and stem the Omicron tide and get to the end of this wave as quickly as possible and two to prevent the spread of the more virulent and dangerous Delta variant.)

The AFL teams that manage this situation the best will have a definite advantage come the 2022 season. Any team that can get through preseason with minimal interruption to their training program will have an edge over teams that have interruptions.

Good management and luck will play a part, but i reckon a key determining factor will be having a team of young men who are motivated and disciplined enough to keep their eyes on the prize, minimise risks, avoid unnecessary risks and possibly eschew activities they would normally participate in over the preseason (eg nightclubbing, going away with mates, having a drink at the pub, going to parties etc). 

I reckon the dees have such a group of players. 

Edited by binman
  • Like 5
Link to comment
Share on other sites

39 minutes ago, binman said:

The first game of  2022 is near the end of March. Based on the South African experience, surely the Omricon wave will have run its race by then. Assuming we don't get another variant of concerns (a big assumption i know) the 2022 season should not face too much disruption you'd hope.

However, there will likely be any number of disruptions between now and then.

The AFLW will almost certainly be impacted, particular given most players also have other jobs and so therefore are more at risk of getting Omricon than the men. The lists are smaller too, which will make fielding sides problematic if too many players have to sit out games.

And of course the AFLW is starting with numbers super high and possibly not peaking till a fair way in the AFLW season.

For the AFL, teams are almost certain to face a range of disruption, for example an impact on the training program because of positive cases in the playing and/or coaching teams.

Apart from disruption such as having to isolate groups of players and/or coaches, even with Omricon being less severe, as Kate Roffey pointed out at the Bluey elite athletes do not want to get a respiratory illness. Nor do they want any interruption to their preseason, such is the carefully calibrated program they have to complete. 

(On the severity of Omricon, there is an interesting narrative developing. All the talk is about Omricon but Delta still makes up a high percentage of cases and as i understand it also a high percentage of hospitalisations. It is still very important to take measures to reduce transmission, one to try and stem the Omicron tide and get to the end of this wave as quickly as possible and two to prevent the spread of the more virulent and dangerous Delta variant.)

The AFL teams that manage this situation the best will have a definite advantage come the 2022 season. Any team that can get through preseason with minimal interruption to their training program will have an edge over teams that have interruptions.

Good management and luck will play a part, but i reckon a key determining factor will be having a team of young men who are motivated and disciplined enough to keep their eyes on the prize, minimise risks, avoid unnecessary risks and possibly eschew activities they would normally participate in over the preseason (eg nightclubbing, going away with mates, having a drink at the pub, going to parties etc). 

I reckon the dees have such a group of players. 

I love your optimism but if Steven May’s Instagram off-season is anything to go by I’m less convinced about our social discipline 

  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DISMANTLE by The Oracle

    The Flagmantle dynasty has been in train for less than half a season but on Saturday evening at the MCG its hopes are set to be derailed when it meets the team from Narrm. If you’re still living back in the days before the start of the 2022 AFL season then my opening comment probably makes very little sense. This is because very few people had heard of Narrm at the time and most folk could not then have anticipated the AFL’s early season rise of the Fremantle Dockers whose fans went into r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE CALM OF NARRM by George On The Outer

    In a fitting opening to the Doug Nicholls Round, the haunting voice of Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu spread calm around a near empty, misty Docklands stadium. Meanwhile, the Narrm players, quietly warming up pre-game, seemed to take on the same calmness for their upcoming task against North Melbourne.   Sure, this was the top of the ladder premiership side playing the lowly cellar dweller, but this Demons side is now one who just quietly go about their job, and slowly ever so slowly and ca

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    NIGHTMARES OF NARRM by Whispering Jack

    Narrm Time has arrived in our city as the Melbourne Football Club takes the name Narrm Football Club as part of the 2022 AFL Sir Doug Nicholls Round. This week will see the reigning premier pay respect to the region the club calls home — the land of the Wurundjeri people and their culture, language and memory. The team will wear its indigenous guernsey designed by Wurundjeri/Dja Dja Wurrung artist Ky-ya Nicholson Ward and what better way to wear it than with a win over North Melbourne Football C

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WESTERN SUNSET by George on the Outer

    It was the top of the table Demons who inflicted their highest ever defeat of the Eagles, thereby ensuring that the sun has finally set on their long dynasty out West.  The final margin was 74 points but it was the final quarter barrage of seven goals which definitively signalled to the meagre West Coast opposition and supporters exactly who was in control.  That was after a similar six goal to one opening quarter, but hey … why not boo and complain about every decision that went aga

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    ON THE RAMPAGE by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons had it easy on a windy day under sunny skies at the home of the VFL Kangaroos at Arden Street on Sunday. They caught the hapless Roos who were badly depleted by injury on the hop and disposed of them with little trouble. It was the second time in consecutive seasons that Casey inflicted a 100 plus points defeat on the Roos who had no answers for an opponent on the rampage. When the game started, Casey was without three important forward line components in Mitch Brown, Ka

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    RISING TO PHOENIX by William from West Perth

    On Sunday, when the Melbourne Football Club returns to the scene of the club’s most famous victory of the 21st Century, the feeling out there on the ground will most certainly be different. The dying moments of the night of 25 September, 2021 at Optus Stadium marked a team rising to the level of a Phoenix, bathing in the cheers and adulation from an adoring crowd in the wake of their premiership victory after so many years of hardship and desolation. This time around they can expect a main

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    TO THE SWORD by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons closed off their game against the Southport Sharks with a comfortable 30-point win off the back of a monster six goal opening term in which they put the Southport Sharks to the sword and kept them scoreless.  Despite losing Toby Bedford to AFL medical sub duty, Majak Daw and Bailey Laurie, the Demons still fielded a strong list of 13 MFC players and also managed to blood two more local newcomers in Tyler Edwards and Tom Macrae after adding four debutants last week. The Shar

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    NO HEAVEN FOR SAINTS by George on the Outer

    Just when St.Kilda thought it was heading toward Saintly Heaven in Season 2022, it was brought crashing to earth quickly by the ruthless Demons machine. It wasn’t a long drawn out process before the Saints discovered how fragile they were. The Demons simply took the game apart in the first quarter piling on four goals against a paltry three  behinds. Even when Membrey was going to score a major right on the ¼ time bell from 15m out in front, he failed to bypass the outstretched hands of Har

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    COVID PROOF FENCE by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne fans breathed a sigh of relief last Saturday when their team managed to beat Hawthorn and the Covid19 outbreak that left it without coach Simon Goodwin and five premiership players – Luke Jackson, Kysaiah Pickett, Tom Sparrow, Harrison Petty and Alex Neal-Bullen. The 10-point win was meritorious not just because the Demons overcame the loss of the coach and key players but also due to the way in which they survived the tension surrounding the club in the 72 hours leading up to the

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    YIPS by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons overcame a bout of goal kicking yips and a last quarter Box Hill Hawks comeback to record a thrilling 7 point away from home victory on Sunday. With senior affiliate Melbourne fighting a Covid breakout and some injury concerns to their listed players, Casey turned to youth and called up locals Zac Andrewartha, Matthew Johnson and Harvey Neocleous to join Matt Buntine, a local product who was part of the inaugural GWS Giants list.  The team made a slow start but took co

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    DEPLETED NOT DEFEATED by George on the Outer

    With Covid 19 ravaging the club, forcing the absence of five players from last week and some more premiership players still sidelined or returning after isolating, it was certainly a depleted Melbourne side that turned up to front Hawthorn in their Round 7 match up at the MCG. Normally, when a team loses ¼ of its soldiers, you would expect a less than favourable result but after the Hawks opened up a 2 goal lead in the opening minutes (and indeed, it could have been more) the Demon machine

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    NO COMEBACKS by The Oracle

    Q:  How do the Hawks come back after being 32-0 early, leading at every interval and then conceding nine goals in the last quarter to lose to the Swans by 41 points in the comfort and safety of their second home down in Launceston? A:  If they’re playing the Demons at the G off a five-day break, there are no comebacks. They simply won’t come back! That’s the short form preview of the Melbourne v Hawthorn match up at the Home of Football this weekend. That is not to dismiss the you

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 1

  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...