COVID & AFL 2021

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Got my second AZ yesterday and feeling fine.

If only there was somewhere I could go.

[Megatron 886]

I think I’d rather a crowd to be honest. Our record when there’s no crowd isn’t great. 

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

On 7/30/2021 at 12:56 PM, old dee said:

I had my second AZ jab this morning, just a few weeks ago I looked at the fixture and  I thought I might be able to see the last couple of games at the G. Well it looks the best I can do is perhaps get to the Casey games. Oh well there is still the tenth best option of watching again on TV I guess. Such is life in the 21st century. Oh forgot to mention when I arrived at Sunshine hospital there were 25 people in the Pfizer queue and Zero in AZ, I walked straight in and all was finished in 30 minutes including the compulsory 15 min wait after the injection. Young nurse told they have AZ shots come out of there ears. 

Yes and if people are complaining on missing the opportunity to get to a GF because they couldn’t get the Pfizer jab. That’s the choice they make and every choice we make in life has some form of consequence.

[Demonland 73,161]

 

[The heart beats true 18,145]

For anyone in Melbourne eligible and looking for Pfizer I got my first jab last week at Box Hill Hospital and they said they would continue to release appointments each morning for that day. That’s how I got my appointment. 

No side effects, although I do feel a sudden urge to exclusively buy Microsoft product, and I’ve never got better 5G reception on my phone ?
(jokes - I’m fine).

[deanox 9,989]

On 8/2/2021 at 10:43 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

It is being reported that Shane Warne has tested positive in London.  He has had both Pfizer shots.

A reminder that no-one is 'safe'.  And no vaccine is fool proof.  Not that anyone claims they are. 

I just hope Warne is ok and that it encourages people to go and get any approved vaccine.  It is the only protection there is.

Just to be clear for anyone reading this, despite many people thinking it is the case, the vaccine does not in any way stop you getting infected.

It isn't a physical barrier that prevents the virus from getting into your body (like a mask or physical distance). 

What the vaccine does is prepares our bodies immune system so that we can effectively fight it off, once infected.

So for many vaccinated people, when exposed to the virus, their immune system will fight it off super quickly and they might not test positive or show symptoms. In other people the virus will take hold a bit more and they'll test positive but only have mild to no symptoms.

In all these vaccinated people because the infection is fought off faster and easier, they have less viral load and are less contagious.

[Jaded No More 68,974]

6 minutes ago, deanox said:

Just to be clear for anyone reading this, despite many people thinking it is the case, the vaccine does not in any way stop you getting infected.

It isn't a physical barrier that prevents the virus from getting into your body (like a mask or physical distance). 

What the vaccine does is prepares our bodies immune system so that we can effectively fight it off, once infected.

So for many vaccinated people, when exposed to the virus, their immune system will fight it off super quickly and they might not test positive or show symptoms. In other people the virus will take hold a bit more and they'll test positive but only have mild to no symptoms.

In all these vaccinated people because the infection is fought off faster and easier, they have less viral load and are less contagious.

It’s exactly like the flu vaccine. Doesn’t stop the flu but stops you getting very ill. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Look out for the latest UK study

It's a massive study (100k participants)

Preliminary finding..............

the vaccine (mainly AZ) is three times better in preventing infection

SO... Play the odds ......... please

[Lucifers Hero 40,364]

10 hours ago, deanox said:

Just to be clear for anyone reading this, despite many people thinking it is the case, the vaccine does not in any way stop you getting infected.

It isn't a physical barrier that prevents the virus from getting into your body (like a mask or physical distance). 

What the vaccine does is prepares our bodies immune system so that we can effectively fight it off, once infected.

So for many vaccinated people, when exposed to the virus, their immune system will fight it off super quickly and they might not test positive or show symptoms. In other people the virus will take hold a bit more and they'll test positive but only have mild to no symptoms.

In all these vaccinated people because the infection is fought off faster and easier, they have less viral load and are less contagious.

I didn't claim the vaccine stops someone getting infected nor did I imply such.  I said:  "A reminder that no-one is 'safe'.  And no vaccine is fool proof.  Not that anyone claims they are... it encourages people to go and get any approved vaccine.  It is the only protection there is.

So I'm not sure why you have taken issue/quoted my post.  Perhaps you assumed that by 'protection' I meant 'prevention'.  In the context of 'no vaccine is fool proof' I'm not sure that would be a valid assumption, if that is what your post was about.

There is a lot of terminology thrown around and used somewhat interchangeably by some spokespeople and the media when talking about vaccine benefit which is usually expressed as a %:  % efficacy, % effectiveness, % prevention, % protection.  I'm not going into the definitions nor the semantics.  All I know is it is best to be vaccinated and that is what my post was about.  

I recognise that when fully vaccinated I can still get infected, become ill and pass it on. However if (in your words) I 'might not test positive or show symptoms', then I am ecstatic as it will be like never having got it.  I may not be that lucky but at least the vaccine improves my chances in that regard.  Whether that state is described as vaccine 'efficacy', 'effectiveness', 'protection', 'prevention' or something else I'll leave it to you and others to debate. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Webber 10,538]

10 hours ago, deanox said:

Just to be clear for anyone reading this, despite many people thinking it is the case, the vaccine does not in any way stop you getting infected.

It isn't a physical barrier that prevents the virus from getting into your body (like a mask or physical distance). 

What the vaccine does is prepares our bodies immune system so that we can effectively fight it off, once infected.

So for many vaccinated people, when exposed to the virus, their immune system will fight it off super quickly and they might not test positive or show symptoms. In other people the virus will take hold a bit more and they'll test positive but only have mild to no symptoms.

In all these vaccinated people because the infection is fought off faster and easier, they have less viral load and are less contagious.

Yep. Reduces risk of death, and even hospitalisation to something like the level of the common cold. If, and it’s an almighty ‘if’, given the level of selfish ignorance out there as fertilised by Sky News (thank you YouTube), we get to 80% vaccination and open up completely, the virus will duly run through us all, like the cold. Most of us won’t know we’ve got it or get symptoms, but we will be infectious (to varying levels). Those unvaccinated will remain of course as ‘at risk’ as they are now - fit young people can and do die from COVID. Future boosters will be mandatory (the talk is currently 6 monthly). As the months and years tick by, both treatment methods and vaccine efficacy will improve (though the virus evolve, so this remains a challenge, like flu vaccines), but the world from now until ever will simply ‘live with the virus’. It’s important for people to realise its NEVER going to go away, just like the flu, the current version of which is of course a generational relation to the ‘Spanish Flu’. I would’ve hoped a responsible, apolitical government during a crisis would start informing its people of these truths, at least to create vaccine compliance and understanding. Oh well…..

 

 

[old dee 23,872]

Well today’s news is anything but good. Now 5 cases in melbourne. I think we can forget about crowds at games this weekend or any for the next couple of weeks at best. Finals / GF crowd? Looks slim chance to me.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

10 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Look out for the latest UK study

It's a massive study (100k participants)

Preliminary finding..............

the vaccine (mainly AZ) is three times better in preventing infection

SO... Play the odds ......... please

Just to clarify, three times better than no vaccination or three times better than an alternative, such as Pfizer or Moderna? I assume the former...but we know making uninformed assumptions about Covid and vaccines can be misleading and dangerous.

[Demon_spurs 1,872]

Melbourne Footballer tests positive for CoVID 19, I nearly had a heart attack. Turns out it's a suburban footballer in the west. Never let a big headline in any of the papers fool ya

Edited August 4, 2021 by Demon_spurs

[deanox 9,989]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't claim the vaccine stops someone getting infected nor did I imply such.  I said:  "A reminder that no-one is 'safe'.  And no vaccine is fool proof.  Not that anyone claims they are... it encourages people to go and get any approved vaccine.  It is the only protection there is.

So I'm not sure why you have taken issue/quoted my post.  Perhaps you assumed that by 'protection' I meant 'prevention'.  In the context of 'no vaccine is fool proof' I'm not sure that would be a valid assumption, if that is what your post was about.

There is a lot of terminology thrown around and used somewhat interchangeably by some spokespeople and the media when talking about vaccine benefit which is usually expressed as a %:  % efficacy, % effectiveness, % prevention, % protection.  I'm not going into the definitions nor the semantics.  All I know is it is best to be vaccinated and that is what my post was about.  

I recognise that when fully vaccinated I can still get infected, become ill and pass it on. However if (in your words) I 'might not test positive or show symptoms', then I am ecstatic as it will be like never having got it.  I may not be that lucky but at least the vaccine improves my chances in that regard.  Whether that state is described as vaccine 'efficacy', 'effectiveness', 'protection', 'prevention' or something else I'll leave it to you and others to debate. 

I didn't take any issue with your post LH, nor did I criticise what you had said.

I just (quoted your post and) added extra context for anyone who may misinterpret you and accidentally reinforce their existing misunderstanding that "the vaccine is meant to prevent infection but because some people still get infected it clearly isn't effective".

 

I also share your concern about the numbers and stats being thrown around in the media. These often have very specific academic or clinical definitions but are being misinterpreted in lay terms. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by deanox

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

19 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Just to clarify, three times better than no vaccination or three times better than an alternative, such as Pfizer or Moderna? I assume the former...but we know making uninformed assumptions about Covid and vaccines can be misleading and dangerous.

yep ... being vaccinated is three times better in preventing infection than not being vaccinated

(100k in the study which is a very large study)

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/english-study-finds-50-60-reduced-risk-covid-double-vaccinated-2021-08-03/

Edited August 5, 2021 by Diamond_Jim

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

39 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well today’s news is anything but good. Now 5 cases in melbourne. I think we can forget about crowds at games this weekend or any for the next couple of weeks at best. Finals / GF crowd? Looks slim chance to me.

Lousy news.

There were no crowds permitted this weekend regardless but our final home game against Adelaide is now looking shaky, on Sunday 15 August.

If we can't have a crowd in rounds 22 and 23, I sadly think the AFL will rule out the MCG as the grand final venue and risk a GF game day lock down in Perth.

[Webber 10,538]

2 minutes ago, deanox said:

These often have very specific academic or clinical definitions but are being misinterpreted in lay terms

So true deanox. A more capable government would positively override those misinterpretations. 

[Webber 10,538]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

. being vaccinated is three times better in preventing infection than not being vaccinated

And that’s not even talking about the reduction in illness/symptomatic presentation. 

[Delusional demon 82 1,197]

19 minutes ago, Demon_spurs said:

Melbourne Footballer tests positive for CoVID 19, I nearly had a heart attack. Turns out it's a suburban footballer in the west. Never let a big headline in any of the papers fool ya

Same here nearly fell off my chair, a very  rubbish headline indeed , could have easily just said suburban footballer 

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

1 hour ago, Webber said:

Yep. Reduces risk of death, and even hospitalisation to something like the level of the common cold. If, and it’s an almighty ‘if’, given the level of selfish ignorance out there as fertilised by Sky News (thank you YouTube), we get to 80% vaccination and open up completely, the virus will duly run through us all, like the cold. Most of us won’t know we’ve got it or get symptoms, but we will be infectious (to varying levels). Those unvaccinated will remain of course as ‘at risk’ as they are now - fit young people can and do die from COVID. Future boosters will be mandatory (the talk is currently 6 monthly). As the months and years tick by, both treatment methods and vaccine efficacy will improve (though the virus evolve, so this remains a challenge, like flu vaccines), but the world from now until ever will simply ‘live with the virus’. It’s important for people to realise its NEVER going to go away, just like the flu, the current version of which is of course a generational relation to the ‘Spanish Flu’. I would’ve hoped a responsible, apolitical government during a crisis would start informing its people of these truths, at least to create vaccine compliance and understanding. Oh well…..

 

 

Very good post

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Lousy news.

There were no crowds permitted this weekend regardless but our final home game against Adelaide is now looking shaky, on Sunday 15 August.

If we can't have a crowd in rounds 22 and 23, I sadly think the AFL will rule out the MCG as the grand final venue and risk a GF game day lock down in Perth.

Oh I so hope this isn’t the case! WA of all places. ? 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

7 minutes ago, Delusional demon 82 said:

Same here nearly fell off my chair, a very  rubbish headline indeed , could have easily just said suburban footballer 

Yes, but would you have read the story if it had said 'suburban footballer'? The headline writer got what she/he wanted by getting you to read the story.

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Lousy news.

There were no crowds permitted this weekend regardless but our final home game against Adelaide is now looking shaky, on Sunday 15 August.

If we can't have a crowd in rounds 22 and 23, I sadly think the AFL will rule out the MCG as the grand final venue and risk a GF game day lock down in Perth.

Yeah let’s plan to play the show piece game in front of an empty stadium with no atmosphere and not plan to play it in front of a full house just in case the call a snap lockdown (because they’ve done it 3 times in 18 months), I think I know what the players involved would prefer

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

4 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yeah let’s plan to play the show piece game in front of an empty stadium with no atmosphere and not plan to play it in front of a full house just in case the call a snap lockdown (because they’ve done it 3 times in 18 months), I think I know what the players involved would prefer

Being a Victorian I truly hope the grand final isn't moved to WA, particularly if the Dees make it.

[old dee 23,872]

8 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Being a Victorian I truly hope the grand final isn't moved to WA, particularly if the Dees make it.

You can put your house on it being interstate if we are in it. This year from a covid viewpoint we have copped it in the neck everytime.