Geelong’s continued assistance from state, federal, and local govt

[Demon17 5,188]

On 11/7/2020 at 11:07 AM, Diamond_Jim said:

Decent question. Football is a business and Geelong gets a very good return on that stadium.

Sure there's community benefit but that pales by comparison to the business returns to Geelong.

Not necessarily.

Its an elitist stadium and most locals couldn't afford the members reserved seat prices even if they wanted to attend a match. Very little GA seating in comparison to the rest of the ground.

Community facilites in name only - try booking them. Tehy even objectd to Western melb Soccer using the ground when free last year.

Further, the amount of Capex into this ground is sucked away from other deserving and more global infrastructure, such as the arts precinct, galleries etc. The new Library was only just finished a few years ago after decades of waiting - but not Kardinia Park. They got it when they neeeded it.

And most games are never fully booked, looking at the records for 2019. So where is the demand.?

Drop prices so more people could attend - you must be joking.

Business benefits - locals will tell you its only the restaurants etc on a home game day after a win that benefit, but even now, most games are at night anyway.

Don't get me started on this rort.

[Demon17 5,188]

16 hours ago, Nelo said:

Don’t know, but I do not know he’s a shocking premier. 

He barracks for the Bombers

[Demon17 5,188]

On 11/7/2020 at 7:44 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

Serious question  -  is the Victorian premier a Geelong supporter?

Bombers.

[Adam The God 30,153]

15 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Bankrupting the state was his plan from the beginning.  

Whats the point of opening the borders if you have mandatory mask wearing?   Nobody from interstate will want to go to Vic.   Tourism will be dead.

A state can't really become insolvent. It issues all debt in AUD, so the Fed can pay off any debt owing in AUD. The Victorian economy is nowhere near bankruptcy and has a decent balance sheet.

And yeah, I'm sure his plan was to go from the strongest economy, propping up national GDP (at the same time the Fed was in recession) to one of the weakest. It won't take long to get the Victorian economy going again. It should be on top again by December.

Andrews is an Essendon supporter by the way, not Geelong.

Edited November 9, 2020 by A F

[58er 6,402]

32 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

He barracks for the Bombers

Really Dan will get Vic  back To high level finance situation  very soon.

wouldctather be in the trenches with him Than  any other Premier.
Vic was in great shape and had 5 good years prior Covid so can rebound quickly.

[Demon Disciple 12,073]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

 

wouldctather be in the trenches with him Than  any other Premier.

Seriously? He would abandoned you and throw you under the bus at the drop of a hat.

The only loyalty he wants is to him, not the other way around.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

Seriously? He would abandoned you and throw you under the bus at the drop of a hat.

The only loyalty he wants is to him, not the other way around.

Having met and spent time with WW1 Veterans in 1978 it irks me when people use the term, would like him in the trenches. No one knows who would be good companions in the trenches. Most of the old veterans were the most unwarlike, least macho blokes you would ever meet. Tough men can go to water and meek guys become heroes. The footy analogy on Anzac day gives me the s.... as well.

[dice 701]

11 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

You really have a think for arguing the toss with me. Factually the MCG was a shared home ground from 1966. Now, a shared home ground is not a home ground, it is a shared home ground. Even as a 9 year old I could see we had lost our greatest advantage.  Kids in the playground. said well how can it be your home ground and richmonds too. By the late sixties I would go to a Richmond home game at the MCG where they were playing us. It never was, nor felt the same again.

Totally agree HFF. And Richmond can thank Ray Dunn for their 8 premierships since 1965. He instigated the first MCG share arrangement.

What an absolute insult it would have been to Norm and the players back then to have their enemy, Richmond, play their first home match at the G against Melbourne in Round 1, 1965:
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/419414/50-years-of-mcg-memories-first-home-game
 

No wonder Norm started to have the sh*ts with the (Melb Grammar) Board in '65. Also didn't help losing your premiership captain, adopted son and potential coaching successor to Carlton before the start of the season either. Poor Norm and poor Dees. We haven't really recovered since.

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[Deemania since 56 6,610]

On 11/7/2020 at 10:04 AM, deebug said:

What the hell??

We can't even get $*&^ from any governmet, and they get as much as they want.

Why is the govenmet not helping all clubs?

Maybe that is the end of the Geelong slush fund? For equity, each other Victorian club is thus deserved of an equal allocation. That is, unless the finance was paid as a 'political' enticer - which would surprise no-one.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

3 hours ago, 58er said:

Really Dan will get Vic  back To high level finance situation  very soon.

wouldctather be in the trenches with him Than  any other Premier.
 

 

Meanwhile back in reality...

 

[Adam The God 30,153]

6 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

Meanwhile back in reality...

 

That has very little to do with the state's balance sheet though...

[deebug 1,754]

7 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Maybe that is the end of the Geelong slush fund? For equity, each other Victorian club is thus deserved of an equal allocation. That is, unless the finance was paid as a 'political' enticer - which would surprise no-one.

How they were gifted this in the first place, makes me livid.

I hope Pert is on the phone to Dan asking about some $$$ for us to start building a home ground?

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,202]

On 11/7/2020 at 10:37 AM, Gunna’s said:

Disgusting. It frustrates the hell out of me.  
Is it that cookie is better at applying for grants than the rest? Or is there a hope to get a sporting event in the near future and Gmhba is required for a tender bid?
 

what I hate most is the marketing spin as it doesn’t even support the Geelong locals......

It's called politics - "marginal electorates"

[Dr. Gonzo 24,202]

On 11/7/2020 at 1:27 PM, Nascent said:

Of the games I've watched on TV down there I remember seeing our faithful attendees shunted to the flank halfway back into the stands. Looked like they only let approximately 100 members in while Geelong fans occupy everywhere else including behind both goals. Surely this needs to change, it's a bad look and reflects poorly on Geelong in my opinion.

It's their home ground, why should they accommodate opposition supporters?

[Gunna’s 2,102]

54 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's called politics - "marginal electorates"

Doesn’t make it ok though.
A lot of $’s for something that’ll be used 10 times a year with the economic benefits going to the cats. 

[Nascent 9,160]

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's their home ground, why should they accommodate opposition supporters?

It's a fair point, my random thoughts are that they don't own the stadium, they're a tenant. That there would/should be a set percentage of seats allocated to reserve seating and general admission. Every other afl ground that I'm aware of in the afl have a dedicated cheersquad section behind one of the goals. And maybe I'm naive in my way of thinking but general sportsmanship and courtesy to visiting teams?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,202]

10 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

Doesn’t make it ok though.
A lot of $’s for something that’ll be used 10 times a year with the economic benefits going to the cats. 

Welcome to politics - you never heard of "pork barreling"?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,202]

3 hours ago, Nascent said:

It's a fair point, my random thoughts are that they don't own the stadium, they're a tenant. That there would/should be a set percentage of seats allocated to reserve seating and general admission. Every other afl ground that I'm aware of in the afl have a dedicated cheersquad section behind one of the goals. And maybe I'm naive in my way of thinking but general sportsmanship and courtesy to visiting teams?

I'm pretty sure they do have a GA section its just not very large.

If Melbourne had 60k members we could theoretically make them all reserved seating and have no GA at our home games either (when you exclude MCC/AFL Members reserves)

[Pates 9,660]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's their home ground, why should they accommodate opposition supporters?

I think there needs to be a responsibility to accommodate a certain amount of fans, I love the hostile nature of a home but it needs to come with a little balance. The added fact that their ground is now essentially paid for by the government and not through their own funds means there should be a responsibility it have a minimum capacity allowed to travelling fans (particularly any Victorian teams). Fill the allocation from font to back and any left over can be bought by locals on the day. 

Even premier league clubs (with less capacity) allow more than what the cats do with their seating availability. 

[Gunna’s 2,102]

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Welcome to politics - you never heard of "pork barreling"?

What’s your point? 
yes stuff happens from gov’ts every day. Pretty sure we can be aggrieved that an opposing team reaps benefits from that decision?

[Grr-owl 1,219]

On 11/9/2020 at 8:48 AM, A F said:

A state can't really become insolvent. It issues all debt in AUD, so the Fed can pay off any debt owing in AUD. The Victorian economy is nowhere near bankruptcy and has a decent balance sheet.

And yeah, I'm sure his plan was to go from the strongest economy, propping up national GDP (at the same time the Fed was in recession) to one of the weakest. It won't take long to get the Victorian economy going again. It should be on top again by December.

Andrews is an Essendon supporter by the way, not Geelong.

Is Vic's (well, Melbourne's) booming population and robust economy going to see Vic dominate at Fed level again?

[Adam The God 30,153]

15 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Is Vic's (well, Melbourne's) booming population and robust economy going to see Vic dominate at Fed level again?

Alan Kohler's ABC Finance segment last night said the Vic economy had already caught up with NSW. A lot of this is credit driven, but so is the wider economy. 

[Grr-owl 1,219]

8 minutes ago, A F said:

Alan Kohler's ABC Finance segment last night said the Vic economy had already caught up with NSW. A lot of this is credit driven, but so is the wider economy. 

Well, as we have discussed, that's going to end before too long... hard to say exactly when, but it has to end in a once-in-a-civilisation deleveraging. It's how we recover that's going to be important. What do we have to sell - dirt, burnable air, agricultural goods....? Hmm... wonder if there's a way we can sell clean air, sunshine, freedom, space and footy..... 

[Adam The God 30,153]

36 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Well, as we have discussed, that's going to end before too long... hard to say exactly when, but it has to end in a once-in-a-civilisation deleveraging. It's how we recover that's going to be important. What do we have to sell - dirt, burnable air, agricultural goods....? Hmm... wonder if there's a way we can sell clean air, sunshine, freedom, space and footy..... 

The Minsky double-century.

We don't have to rely on foreigners to service our debts. We can sell domestically. Our external account has been in deficit since the mid 1970s. We're not concerned with a surplus on that account. The LNP Gutwein Government are looking at exporting renewable hydrogen. I'd suggest surplus renewable energy might become a major export. The two major parties at Fed level are so wedged on climate action that the community and consumers are screaming for renewable investment that will bring cheaper energy prices. Such a no brainer. So what does the SA LNP Government do yesterday? It places a tax on EV. Mindboggling.

We could be a powerhouse in renewable energy, science and tech, but the two major parties are too conservative to move with the times.

But as you say, the credit boom is going to end in tears very soon.

[demoniac 1,330]

The politics are not that complex. Geelong is a Labor town. The Western District is Liberal and National territory.