Jack Viney on Re-Signing & Geelong Offer

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

As a footballer I’d always look hard at any offer made. You are a long time retired in this game. I love his honesty, his passion and his dedication. Long may he hurt the opposition players.

[Kent 2,910]

14 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm ok with Jack staying, not so much the five years. 

But does he have tickets on himself: 

“...and one of my reasons for staying is because he [Goodwin] needs support...I’m one of the people who really believes in his vision, and he needs some strong characters to stand up beside him.  I feel like if I was to head somewhere else and end my time at the club, then I would be hanging him out to dry a bit.

So he is saying there are those at the club that don't believe in Goodwin's vision and don't stand up beside him?  Worrying.  Goodwin has coaches, managers, a captain and other leaders yet it reads like Jack is the one that is propping Goodwin up!

And, is this a crack at his team mates:  "...Viney says the Demons’ midfield unit can be “something really special” if they play with a more selfless attitude."

That would be great if he wasn't the main offender

Happy he signed but not for 5 years

Hope they move him out of the midfield

So it appears all dont share the Goodwin vision

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Jack put himself on the market with a top line Club. They put a value on him within their system of player payments. A system that has bought them premierships and long term finals participation. We put a higher $ valuation on Jack. Time will tell which Club had the better payment system and valuation.

[layzie 33,814]

18 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Not sure why we need a new thread just for this, but you can read the article for free here:

Jack Viney on his decision to turn down Geelong and how he feels about the captaincy call

 

Good spot up LN!

[58er 6,450]

3 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Jack put himself on the market with a top line Club. They put a value on him within their system of player payments. A system that has bought them premierships and long term finals participation. We put a higher $ valuation on Jack. Time will tell which Club had the better payment system and valuation.

Well Jack chose US, How go you know he is getting more $$$ here than at Cats?

Presumption I imagine.

Jack did what  he shoul do test the market and not surprisingly decided to stay.

As all loyal Dees fans we should rejoice Jacks vision still for success here and just think about the ramifications if he had deserted us. And no matter what we say about his ability there is no doubt we are a better team With Jack in it.

Its up to Goody and the Coaches yo get him to select the first option and kick more right foot BUT overall to get all our midfield stars and assistants playing as a team which maximises our ability.

Do that and  you/we will Not talk about the above issues.

Much easier than trying to recruit a replacement however if we do that may I suggest Shane Edwards of the Tigers might be open and gettable is at a fair price fir ability etc. 

 

 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

9 minutes ago, 58er said:

Well Jack chose US, How go you know he is getting more $$$ here than at Cats?

Presumption I imagine.

Jack did what  he shoul do test the market and not surprisingly decided to stay.

As all loyal Dees fans we should rejoice Jacks vision still for success here and just think about the ramifications if he had deserted us. And no matter what we say about his ability there is no doubt we are a better team With Jack in it.

Its up to Goody and the Coaches yo get him to select the first option and kick more right foot BUT overall to get all our midfield stars and assistants playing as a team which maximises our ability.

Do that and  you/we will Not talk about the above issues.

Much easier than trying to recruit a replacement however if we do that may I suggest Shane Edwards of the Tigers might be open and gettable is at a fair price fir ability etc. 

 

 

It has been well reported that we gave Jack an offer, he then listened to the Cats offer. We increased our offer and he took our increased offer that was more than the Cats.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Aim for Top 4 next year Demons

Do Something 

[daisycutter 29,616]

30 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

It has been well reported that we gave Jack an offer, he then listened to the Cats offer. We increased our offer and he took our increased offer that was more than the Cats.

some sauces would be nice

[old55 23,593]

19 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm ok with Jack staying, not so much the five years. 

But does he have tickets on himself: 

“...and one of my reasons for staying is because he [Goodwin] needs support...I’m one of the people who really believes in his vision, and he needs some strong characters to stand up beside him.  I feel like if I was to head somewhere else and end my time at the club, then I would be hanging him out to dry a bit.

So he is saying there are those at the club that don't believe in Goodwin's vision and don't stand up beside him?  Worrying.  Goodwin has coaches, managers, a captain and other leaders yet it reads like Jack is the one that is propping Goodwin up!

And, is this a crack at his team mates:  "...Viney says the Demons’ midfield unit can be “something really special” if they play with a more selfless attitude."

We're usually on the same page LH but I don't read this the same way. 

I love what Jack has said in this article.  He IS a key element to our future success and he recognises that.  I like that he says everyone has to buy in to what's best for the team, and for example if he is required to spend some time as a small forward then he would do it if he is true to his word.  It really resonates for me that he has aligned himself strongly with Goodwin, he has unequivocally committed his support, that's what I want to see. Goodwin will be coach in 2021 and it will be a pivotal year for him.  I don't want to see any players second guessing that.

[Slartibartfast 17,297]

43 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

It has been well reported that we gave Jack an offer, he then listened to the Cats offer. We increased our offer and he took our increased offer that was more than the Cats.

You've got no idea what was offered, when it was offered and what the final contract offer is.  If you believe media on this you're silly.  Players, managers and clubs will fill this space with misinformation.

Time to get smarter.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

57 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

You've got no idea what was offered, when it was offered and what the final contract offer is.  If you believe media on this you're silly.  Players, managers and clubs will fill this space with misinformation.

Time to get smarter.

Fairly nasty response to me just saying what has been consitently reported. I am not aware of anyone here who knows of every contract players have but this is a site for opinions and my opinion stands that we will be paying Jack more and likely for longer than the Cats were prepared to. It is a fact the Cats have a philosophy of paying unders in the interests of team harmony and success. As for smarter, Geelong have a long standing record of being smarter and more successful than Melbourne, so take personalities out of it and decide who is smarter. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Half forward flank

[Willmoy1947 4,090]

20 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm ok with Jack staying, not so much the five years. 

But does he have tickets on himself: 

“...and one of my reasons for staying is because he [Goodwin] needs support...I’m one of the people who really believes in his vision, and he needs some strong characters to stand up beside him.  I feel like if I was to head somewhere else and end my time at the club, then I would be hanging him out to dry a bit.

So he is saying there are those at the club that don't believe in Goodwin's vision and don't stand up beside him?  Worrying.  Goodwin has coaches, managers, a captain and other leaders yet it reads like Jack is the one that is propping Goodwin up!

And, is this a crack at his team mates:  "...Viney says the Demons’ midfield unit can be “something really special” if they play with a more selfless attitude."

Potential to cost.........

[Willmoy1947 4,090]

8 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Fairly nasty response to me just saying what has been consitently reported. I am not aware of anyone here who knows of every contract players have but this is a site for opinions and my opinion stands that we will be paying Jack more and likely for longer than the Cats were prepared to. It is a fact the Cats have a philosophy of paying unders in the interests of team harmony and success. As for smarter, Geelong have a long standing record of being smarter and more successful than Melbourne, so take personalities out of it and decide who is smarter. 

How, from the depths of Hades could Gee-long be smarter than Melbourne!!!

[Willmoy1947 4,090]

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

We're usually on the same page LH but I don't read this the same way. 

I love what Jack has said in this article.  He IS a key element to our future success and he recognises that.  I like that he says everyone has to buy in to what's best for the team, and for example if he is required to spend some time as a small forward then he would do it if he is true to his word.  It really resonates for me that he has aligned himself strongly with Goodwin, he has unequivocally committed his support, that's what I want to see. Goodwin will be coach in 2021 and it will be a pivotal year for him.  I don't want to see any players second guessing that.

It could have been manufactured because he was copping a bit of flak. After all  there are step ups being needed by all, and not just on the ground...........

[Half forward flank 1,022]

15 minutes ago, willmoy said:

How, from the depths of Hades could Gee-long be smarter than Melbourne!!!

I take it that is in jest.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

Jack Viney is a Melbourne boy from year dot it is instilled in him . His loyalty is strong and he buys in for the cause  the love for his club, his team mates  and for the supporters  imo.  A guy that doesn't take a backward step . book.

He is one you want to have by your side.

 

[titan_uranus 25,020]

5 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Fairly nasty response to me just saying what has been consitently reported. I am not aware of anyone here who knows of every contract players have but this is a site for opinions and my opinion stands that we will be paying Jack more and likely for longer than the Cats were prepared to. It is a fact the Cats have a philosophy of paying unders in the interests of team harmony and success. As for smarter, Geelong have a long standing record of being smarter and more successful than Melbourne, so take personalities out of it and decide who is smarter. 

Where's it been reported that the contract he ultimately signed was worth more than whatever Geelong offered?

I believe it's been reported that our opening offer and Geelong's opening offer were a gap apart. That doesn't mean we immediately offered more than Geelong did in response.

Or is that just your opinion? In which case you've got nothing at all, other than your own pessimism, to base that on.

[Maxwell Edison MD 143]

On 10/10/2020 at 4:50 PM, dieter said:

Ah well, you've got some handy toilet paper....

You ever tried flushing newspaper? Not as easy as you may think. 

 

[58er 6,450]

7 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

It has been well reported that we gave Jack an offer, he then listened to the Cats offer. We increased our offer and he took our increased offer that was more than the Cats.

Well HFF when have these reports been and where?

An announcement on the 46 Tram to Coburg by a Melb masked staffer ???

what Radio tv or other news item did you glean your information? 

Interestingly I dont think  you reported this prior to his decision snd no other D/L ers have heard or stated what you are now claiming and what if we are paying Say $50,000 over 5 years ie $10,000 more is that a crime?

Many of Geelong's aging recruits have wanted and indicated prior to negotiations that they want to go there (without knowing exactly their salary ) ie just wanted to go to a successful Club ( as with Hawks) .

By your post you obviously don't want Jack in 2021 as no indication of the potential carnage and morale damage is on your radar!
 

What I said in my post is what Jack has basically said re team play and no matter what We think about say Goody there is already hope of greater vision and creativity in the Box on Match Day.

Time  will tell Re Jack and our results but you have not established any credibility that your post has much truth or fear that we  have committed a crucial sin in retaining our most passionate,  fiery and brutal competitor to play Most of his career out seeking redemption for over 50 years Of frustration and mediocrity.

 

[Pates 9,660]

11 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Jack put himself on the market with a top line Club. They put a value on him within their system of player payments. A system that has bought them premierships and long term finals participation. We put a higher $ valuation on Jack. Time will tell which Club had the better payment system and valuation.

Actually I’d say typically players end up getting less if they stay compared to leaving. Perhaps we have an extra year on the contract as our carrot. 

[Go the Biff 3,432]

8 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

It has been well reported that we gave Jack an offer, he then listened to the Cats offer. We increased our offer and he took our increased offer that was more than the Cats.

There is a big difference between well reported and reported well

Very little in the AFL industry is reported well

[Half forward flank 1,022]

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Where's it been reported that the contract he ultimately signed was worth more than whatever Geelong offered?

I believe it's been reported that our opening offer and Geelong's opening offer were a gap apart. That doesn't mean we immediately offered more than Geelong did in response.

Or is that just your opinion? In which case you've got nothing at all, other than your own pessimism, to base that on.

So do you think Jacks manager came  back to us after talking to Geelong, and gave them Geelongs true offer and said, match Geelongs offer and he will stay. Wow. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

4 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

There is a big difference between well reported and reported well

Very little in the AFL industry is reported well

Except for all the times it is correct. Frawley is leaving rumour, Howe leaving rumour, Hogan wants to go home. Dee interested in Lever, May,Langdon etc. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Well HFF when have these reports been and where?

An announcement on the 46 Tram to Coburg by a Melb masked staffer ???

what Radio tv or other news item did you glean your information? 

Interestingly I dont think  you reported this prior to his decision snd no other D/L ers have heard or stated what you are now claiming and what if we are paying Say $50,000 over 5 years ie $10,000 more is that a crime?

Many of Geelong's aging recruits have wanted and indicated prior to negotiations that they want to go there (without knowing exactly their salary ) ie just wanted to go to a successful Club ( as with Hawks) .

By your post you obviously don't want Jack in 2021 as no indication of the potential carnage and morale damage is on your radar!
 

What I said in my post is what Jack has basically said re team play and no matter what We think about say Goody there is already hope of greater vision and creativity in the Box on Match Day.

Time  will tell Re Jack and our results but you have not established any credibility that your post has much truth or fear that we  have committed a crucial sin in retaining our most passionate,  fiery and brutal competitor to play Most of his career out seeking redemption for over 50 years Of frustration and mediocrity.

 

So you sorta get the point without knowing it. probably busy in the Coburg tram dodging ticket inspectors. Successful Clubs attract good players for reasons of not only big salaries.

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Maxwell Edison MD said:

You ever tried flushing newspaper? Not as easy as you may think. 

 

I'm talking bushwalks. Also, the biggest no no is the ink on the paper. The bottom line, is that the Murdoch papers are the equivalent of POOOO.