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2 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Have a feeling part of Richardsons role is overseeing the whole football operations and report back to the board.  Coach director?  Does any other club have this role??  Richardson being new to Melbourne and an astute observer,  would have a view of the big picture. i would be amazed if part of his job is not to relay his "learnings" to the board.  The big issue in getting rid of Goodwin is that Pert/Bartlett & Mahoney all ratified the decision.  Getting rid of him entirely is pretty much an admission of ineptitude.  

Thinking laterally what do they do?  Happy with Goodwin and direction we are going?  Resounding No.  Happy with our assistants and their output? Mostly No, Burgess gets a tick, but he'll be moving onto greener pastures.  So left with some major decisions, clean out the assistants and get the best ones for starters.  The tough decision here is what to do with Goodwin, my guess is they will move him sideways and Richardson will be head coach next year.  Really can't see any way the board can admit guilt and all fall on their sword, but they can decide Simon is not the way forward for a multitude of reasons.  If something like this was implemented i wonder whether Goodwin would want to stay?  He would still be on ridiculous money for a diminished role.  

Personally i can't wait til the end of this season to see what we choose to do in this space!

Why would goody agree to move sideways?? and that would be a disaster for the club if he was there but holding no power. Goody imo has to stay with better support. Looking ath the box on game day there appears to be VERY little trust and rapport. That has to be changed.

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11 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Why would goody agree to move sideways?? and that would be a disaster for the club if he was there but holding no power. Goody imo has to stay with better support. Looking ath the box on game day there appears to be VERY little trust and rapport. That has to be changed.

He has already had his own bunch of assistants and that did not work!  They recruited another bunch for similar results.  It looks and feels like he does not listen particularly to any of them...or listens to the wrong ones.  If he stays he must be basically told how to run the ship because he definitely has no clue.  Why would it be a disaster say if Goodwin was put into player development with a match day boundary/bench role to pass on messages to the players, or something similar? Definition of insanity rings true with MFC, they need to get creative and work out viable solutions.  Getting whole new batch of assistant coaches is useless if we have a head coach that chooses to ignore their views i reckon.  He changes or he is moved sideways imo....or paid out.

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1 hour ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Have a feeling part of Richardsons role is overseeing the whole football operations and report back to the board.  Coach director?  Does any other club have this role??  Richardson being new to Melbourne and an astute observer,  would have a view of the big picture. i would be amazed if part of his job is not to relay his "learnings" to the board.  The big issue in getting rid of Goodwin is that Pert/Bartlett & Mahoney all ratified the decision.  Getting rid of him entirely is pretty much an admission of ineptitude.  

Thinking laterally what do they do?  Happy with Goodwin and direction we are going?  Resounding No.  Happy with our assistants and their output? Mostly No, Burgess gets a tick, but he'll be moving onto greener pastures.  So left with some major decisions, clean out the assistants and get the best ones for starters.  The tough decision here is what to do with Goodwin, my guess is they will move him sideways and Richardson will be head coach next year.  Really can't see any way the board can admit guilt and all fall on their sword, but they can decide Simon is not the way forward for a multitude of reasons.  If something like this was implemented i wonder whether Goodwin would want to stay?  He would still be on ridiculous money for a diminished role.  

Personally i can't wait til the end of this season to see what we choose to do in this space!

Not a chance. That would be like choosing Julia Gillard to be PM and keeping Kevin Rudd in the Cabinet. (Or, to show political balance that some seem to think is necessary here on Demonland, choosing Malcolm Turnbull to be PM and keeping Tony Abbott in the caucus). There's no way it could work.

I expect Goodwin to be coach in 2021. Whether he makes it to 2022 would, I think, depend on whether we make the finals next year. No finals, no 2022.

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8 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not a chance. That would be like choosing Julia Gillard to be PM and keeping Kevin Rudd in the Cabinet. (Or, to show political balance that some seem to think is necessary here on Demonland, choosing Malcolm Turnbull to be PM and keeping Tony Abbott in the caucus). There's no way it could work.

I expect Goodwin to be coach in 2021. Whether he makes it to 2022 would, I think, depend on whether we make the finals next year. No finals, no 2022.

i would not rule anything out atm.  We have 2 games to go.  Say we get beaten by 40+ points margins in both those games.  You really think he stays??  i know what i suggested is not ideal.  Not much is with the mess we currently are in!  We need to get creative if we are to dig our way out of it.  4 years, 5 years, 6 years when is enough?  We simply must change tact greatly or we can expect similar results going forward.  Goodwin is a massive part of the problem, unless he is prepared to change massively he will be dead man walking for next year.  The players will have a get out of jail free card to underperform then pin it all on the coach.   We lose too many games by midseason and the jungle drums will get too much for the board not to act.  I can't see the point of setting us up to fail once again.

2019 we were full of hope that we had turned a new leaf. We showed very little that season.

2020 has been bizarre circumstances but i don't believe we have shown enough consistently.

4 years to see some semblance of a gameplan...i don't see it.  Flooding the backline and having nobody to kick it to, i see that!

If he is coach so much has to change about Simon, i am not sure he has it in him.  Hopefully i get to eat humble pie at some stage because ultimately i want nothing more than the MFC to succeed.

Maybe we just need to have Bartlett for pregame rev ups and all our problems will be solved.  The players clearly need to be revved up often to perform at any sort of adequate level.  We always seem to come out flat, only exception was game vs Carlton.  We then stunk it up for 3 quarters!

Not sure Parliament runs anything like an AFL club.   I do know that they all need to be in it together to get any sort of results though!   We seem rather fractured in that space.

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34 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

i would not rule anything out atm.  We have 2 games to go.  Say we get beaten by 40+ points margins in both those games.  You really think he stays??  i know what i suggested is not ideal.  Not much is with the mess we currently are in!  We need to get creative if we are to dig our way out of it.  4 years, 5 years, 6 years when is enough?  We simply must change tact greatly or we can expect similar results going forward.  Goodwin is a massive part of the problem, unless he is prepared to change massively he will be dead man walking for next year.  The players will have a get out of jail free card to underperform then pin it all on the coach.   We lose too many games by midseason and the jungle drums will get too much for the board not to act.  I can't see the point of setting us up to fail once again.

2019 we were full of hope that we had turned a new leaf. We showed very little that season.

2020 has been bizarre circumstances but i don't believe we have shown enough consistently.

4 years to see some semblance of a gameplan...i don't see it.  Flooding the backline and having nobody to kick it to, i see that!

If he is coach so much has to change about Simon, i am not sure he has it in him.  Hopefully i get to eat humble pie at some stage because ultimately i want nothing more than the MFC to succeed.

Maybe we just need to have Bartlett for pregame rev ups and all our problems will be solved.  The players clearly need to be revved up often to perform at any sort of adequate level.  We always seem to come out flat, only exception was game vs Carlton.  We then stunk it up for 3 quarters!

Not sure Parliament runs anything like an AFL club.   I do know that they all need to be in it together to get any sort of results though!   We seem rather fractured in that space.

Yes. For two reasons. Firstly, because he has a contract and with the financial restrictions now impacting the AFL and clubs, we will not have the soft cap room to pay him out. Secondly, every coach and every club has an excuse for this year because of the extraordinary circumstances caused by Covid

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The Killers play in Cairns at Cazalys - with my luck it will be blowing a gale, got seats on the wrong side of the ground and don't hear or see a thing.

17 BF winners ask for a trade to the Dees - with our luck they won them in the 80's

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There is a bloke who played in TWSNBN's Premiership sides up at Port Douglas. Wonder if they bothered to ask him how to play Cazalys for two bloody vital Game losses, just a phone call.....

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41 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Yes. For two reasons. Firstly, because he has a contract and with the financial restrictions now impacting the AFL and clubs, we will not have the soft cap room to pay him out. Secondly, every coach and every club has an excuse for this year because of the extraordinary circumstances caused by Covid

You are probably right. Most contracts have clauses within them, i am sure Simons would be no different.  Has he performed adequately?  If we don't rate our list then sure!  Covid may save him for another crack, you are right on here.  I can't see us waiting the entirety of next year to make a move in this space. Same lack of gameplan or tenacity from the playing group and players not developing he will not make it to the end of the season.  Contracts don't mean a lot if you are not ticking off KPI's. I wonder how Simon is going in this regard?  

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On 9/7/2020 at 9:37 PM, pitmaster said:

Richmond exits finals in straight sets

Ditto Collingwood

West Coast loses the GF amid controversial umpiring decision

The fire season is unusually quiet so the koala population can begin to recover

Joe Biden crushes Trump so comprehensively so that even the compulsively lying orange buffoon has no traction for his claims of dodgy voting

Adem Yze agrees to become Melbourne's match day strategist for 2021 and beyond (and is instantly viewed as Goodwin's successor by Demonlanders)

Agree with all those except Biden beating Trump in the election.

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