NON MFC: Round 16

[The Jackson FIX 3,210]

2 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

A neutral would prefer a WCE v WB 5v8. It will be close to embarrassing to knock off Freo & Ess and claim a final against the Eagles.

This is all true, sadly.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

1 minute ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Not the first time Wet Toast have f%#**^ our finals chances. What a pea-hearted team outside Perf. I wish them nothing but failure and misery.

They haven't done anything. The formula is simple, we have 3 games remaining. Win them all and we will play finals (unless GWS gives Adelaide the mother of all hidings)

[Radar Detector 1,347]

2 minutes ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Not the first time Wet Toast have f%#**^ our finals chances. What a pea-hearted team outside Perf. I wish them nothing but failure and misery.

No, we f’d our finals chances with a pea-hearted effort in Cairns. And Metricon a couple of weeks before that.

[John Demonic 5,854]

4 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

No, we f’d our finals chances with a pea-hearted effort in Cairns. And Metricon a couple of weeks before that.

And anyway, it was actually Adelaide that tanked that game and the points necessary to get WCE into the 8, and to get a higher pick for the eventual Lever trade 

Edited September 6, 2020 by John Demonic

[drdrake 3,187]

When is the AFL going to clamp down on the bulldog shuffle, they get tackled and they shuffle the ball to their favour, it is incorrect disposal, just because you are tackled doesn't mean you can just drop the ball to your teams advantage.  They have done this since there gf year  Richmond adopted it but not as bad

[Hogan2014 390]

Dogs will make it they deserve it we are pretenders... 

[DubDee 26,128]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Woosha is smiling because everyone knows he is not coaching them, Rutten is.

Bombers fans must be excited about next season then! ?

[Sir Why You Little 37,151]

Meth Coke are half the side away from Perth

it is quite staggering 

Wish we could play them now

[DubDee 26,128]

Geez how many times did the dogs choke tonight?? Smashed the eagles in every stat and won by a few points. They are lucky Darling can’t kick

[The Jackson FIX 3,210]

13 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

No, we f’d our finals chances with a pea-hearted effort in Cairns. And Metricon a couple of weeks before that.

Well clearly we all agree we crapped the bed and put ourselves in this situation but the point was it has been West Coast on more than one occasion that seal our fate 

[DubDee 26,128]

The result has no impact on our season. We have 8% on the dogs. So if we win the last 3 we get in. Unless the dogs score incredibly high scores. 
as far as wins go if dogs lost tonight we wouldn’t get in on 9 wins as GWS would if they beat us

[Watts the matter 1,235]

12 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Dogs will make it they deserve it we are pretenders... 

That was the first top 8 team they've beaten. They are very much in the same boat as us.

[DemonOX 8,801]

You get what u deserve in this game and we don’t deserve to play finals as we are not consistently good enough. 
 

Its pathetic given goodwin was given this team on a platter when Roos left and yet he has STILL managed to screw it up. 

Edited September 6, 2020 by DemonOX

[praha 11,240]

23 minutes ago, DubDee said:

The result has no impact on our season. We have 8% on the dogs. So if we win the last 3 we get in. Unless the dogs score incredibly high scores. 
as far as wins go if dogs lost tonight we wouldn’t get in on 9 wins as GWS would if they beat us

You new here?

[drdrake 3,187]

30 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Meth Coke are half the side away from Perth

it is quite staggering 

Wish we could play them now

They had their midfield out nicnat, shuey and there most important player Yeo, plus Hurn different result if those 4 are playing 

[John Demonic 5,854]

28 minutes ago, drdrake said:

They had their midfield out nicnat, shuey and there most important player Yeo, plus Hurn different result if those 4 are playing 

Sounds like our r22 clash in 2018.. nicnat, gaff, darling, Kennedy. ?

The denialists still don't realise we've never been capable of beating a full strength premiership contender in the last few years.

Edited September 6, 2020 by John Demonic

[Sir Why You Little 37,151]

17 minutes ago, drdrake said:

They had their midfield out nicnat, shuey and there most important player Yeo, plus Hurn different result if those 4 are playing 

Yes I Know.. and they don't like being away from home for more than a few days

[titan_uranus 25,045]

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yep, every result went against us this week.

I reckon Dogs will take St Kilda’s spot in the finals.

Dogs have a laughable last 2 games while St Kilda have GWS and West Coast.

Not really a fair comment in a 17-game season.

Just means the Dogs have had to play the good sides already and the Saints haven't.

45 minutes ago, DubDee said:

The result has no impact on our season. We have 8% on the dogs. So if we win the last 3 we get in. Unless the dogs score incredibly high scores. 
as far as wins go if dogs lost tonight we wouldn’t get in on 9 wins as GWS would if they beat us

Yes it does.

The 9-win scenario assumed Collingwood and GWS finished 6th and 7th. It was then us, St Kilda and the Dogs fighting for 8th and if we all finished on 9 wins we'd win out on percentage (so went the theory).

It's now possible that everything could line up for that but we miss out because the Dogs get a 10th win - we beat Fremantle and GWS (but lose to Essendon), GWS beats St Kilda and Carlton but loses to us, St Kilda loses both games, Collingwood beats GC, Dogs win both games. We miss out (assuming we pass St Kilda on percentage, which was always going to be necessary for us to make it on 9 wins). Had the Dogs lost, we'd have made it.

Still, if we win all three we're near-guaranteed to make it (to miss, one of the Dogs and GWS is going to need to make up the 6-8% to catch us on percentage).

[Redleg 41,497]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Meth Coke are half the side away from Perth

it is quite staggering 

Wish we could play them now

No Nic Nat, Hurn, Cripps and Shuey helped the Dogs, who were at full strength and playing on their 2nd home.

[titan_uranus 25,045]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

No Nic Nat, Hurn, Cripps and Shuey helped the Dogs, who were at full strength and playing on their 2nd home.

That was the Dogs' 8th game at Metricon this year (although to be fair it was West Coast's 5th).

We'll finish the year with no more than 3 games at any one venue.

I keep banging on about this but it's a relevant factor.

[DubDee 26,128]

21 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Not really a fair comment in a 17-game season.

Just means the Dogs have had to play the good sides already and the Saints haven't.

Yes it does.

The 9-win scenario assumed Collingwood and GWS finished 6th and 7th. It was then us, St Kilda and the Dogs fighting for 8th and if we all finished on 9 wins we'd win out on percentage (so went the theory).

It's now possible that everything could line up for that but we miss out because the Dogs get a 10th win - we beat Fremantle and GWS (but lose to Essendon), GWS beats St Kilda and Carlton but loses to us, St Kilda loses both games, Collingwood beats GC, Dogs win both games. We miss out (assuming we pass St Kilda on percentage, which was always going to be necessary for us to make it on 9 wins). Had the Dogs lost, we'd have made it.

Still, if we win all three we're near-guaranteed to make it (to miss, one of the Dogs and GWS is going to need to make up the 6-8% to catch us on percentage).

I stand corrected.

the way I have been looking at it, we need 10 wins, therefore the dogs doesn’t impact that. 

hopefully we can hammer Freo tomorrow so the thought of finals is exciting again

[Redleg 41,497]

4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

That was the Dogs' 8th game at Metricon this year (although to be fair it was West Coast's 5th).

We'll finish the year with no more than 3 games at any one venue.

I keep banging on about this but it's a relevant factor.

Travel, breaks between games, timing ( playing a side that has many injuries ),  and venues has been more important this year than most. 

Having a shortened season has worked against lower finishing teams in 2019 as well .

[titan_uranus 25,045]

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I stand corrected.

the way I have been looking at it, we need 10 wins, therefore the dogs doesn’t impact that. 

hopefully we can hammer Freo tomorrow so the thought of finals is exciting again

Technically it does, as it's another side who could finish higher than us even if we get to 10. 

Practically, if we win all three we shouldn't lose 8% to the Dogs, so you're pretty much right, but it would have been preferable on all counts for the Dogs to have lost tonight.

Still, if we get to 9 and miss out, the Sydney loss will be the number 1 reason we missed, and the Geelong and Brisbane losses will rank higher than the Dogs' win over West Coast.

Edited September 6, 2020 by titan_uranus

[darkhorse72 1,925]

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

I don’t know how Woosha keeps smiling. The bomber have been pathetic for 2 months. No effort. Two wins from 10 games. A 12 goal loss  

They are even worse than us. There I said it!

Because he's not the coach anymore but still getting paid  

[titan_uranus 25,045]

52 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Sounds like our r22 clash in 2018.. nicnat, gaff, darling, Kennedy. ?

The denialists still don't realise we've never been capable of beating a full strength premiership contender in the last few years.

We were missing a few in that game. Who were the Dogs missing tonight? And our game was in Perth with a crowd.

And as to the second line - how many wins do our competitors have this year against a "full strength premiership contender"? 

I'd suggest it's an equally valid argument to say the overly negative on here (which you seem to be) could find an asterisk to put against any win we have against anyone.