11 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the filth

definitely tom phillips; right where we want him in terms of age (25 in 2021), role (outside runner with decent footskills), and ability (he's played some ripper games, particularly on the g). still in contract so can't see them being keen on losing him, but they have a lot of talent - and a lot of father-son talent - coming through that needs games and can play similar roles. would the crocked tom langdon want to play with his brother? pies' backline has been their strength and while langdon is in his pre-agency year i'd be in his ear telling him about darren burgess and how he'll be playing with his brother. the situation with jaidyn stephenson is really interesting; keeping a keen eye on that one as he's clearly a talent. pies are one team who DO need points - they've got quite a few father-sons coming thru, with nick daicos already being talked up - so we could get some things out of them that would benefit our side and help them

preferences: stephenson, phillips, langdon

possible trade: hawks' 2nd in 2020 PLUS our 2nd in 2021 for langdon and phillips

Can't see us being big players in any trading/draft swaps this year - we've already had our top pick a year in advance and Kossie is a ripper.

But if there's one player whose name will keep coming up in a trade now it is Stephenson and whilst we all know he can play, he's now got a reputation for being a little bit timid. Personally I'd like to see him on a wing, rather than as a forward and we do still have one wing spot available that's not nailed into the furniture. As Rising Star winner, it's hardly likely Pies would entertain our second round pick for him, so we would have to trade a player.

The Pies have spanked us in trades in recent times - Dawes, Lumumba, Howe, Kennedy, Dunny - guess which ones exceeded expectations at their new clubs?

But I reckon there's one player who has a bit of risk factor like Stephenson and who meets their most pressing need of key position and that's Harrison Petty. I'm worried to suggest him, because I reckon he's still a huge talent and if he didn't have OP he'd most likely be in our side at the moment. He also can play forward or back, which is why they'd consider him. 

Very curious to see what impact list reductions would have on the offseason. 

if the lists for example were cut to 35 we would potentially need to look at cutting 10 plus players to make room for the additions including our 3 required draft selections. 

Just now, Patches O’houlihan said:

Very curious to see what impact list reductions would have on the offseason. 

if the lists for example were cut to 35 we would potentially need to look at cutting 10 plus players to make room for the additions including our 3 required draft selections. 

And if list sizes do come back to 35, there will be a lot of good fringe players wanting to get another chance at other clubs. 

2 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

And if list sizes do come back to 35, there will be a lot of good fringe players wanting to get another chance at other clubs. 

Definitely, but how many blokes are we going to have to bring any players in? some teams could be looking at huge turnovers as a result of this which i suppose for a team like the crows may be a blessing in disguise 

Come home Jesse ?❤

56 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

Can't see us being big players in any trading/draft swaps this year - we've already had our top pick a year in advance and Kossie is a ripper.

But if there's one player whose name will keep coming up in a trade now it is Stephenson and whilst we all know he can play, he's now got a reputation for being a little bit timid. Personally I'd like to see him on a wing, rather than as a forward and we do still have one wing spot available that's not nailed into the furniture. As Rising Star winner, it's hardly likely Pies would entertain our second round pick for him, so we would have to trade a player.

The Pies have spanked us in trades in recent times - Dawes, Lumumba, Howe, Kennedy, Dunny - guess which ones exceeded expectations at their new clubs?

But I reckon there's one player who has a bit of risk factor like Stephenson and who meets their most pressing need of key position and that's Harrison Petty. I'm worried to suggest him, because I reckon he's still a huge talent and if he didn't have OP he'd most likely be in our side at the moment. He also can play forward or back, which is why they'd consider him. 

No we should only trade players not needed this year and be very selective.

The Petty's  Gus and like are NOT FOR TRADE as we complete the jigsaw towards a list that will challenge for the next 5 years.

No mids at this stage are tradable and KP players forward or back should be on OUR radar to assist strengthen our line up.

 An elite Runner like Stephenson makes  sense and Polec on the cheap might be possible but I feel he has lost traction at Notth because if his lack of physicality. Goody wouldn't tolerate that I suspect.

Interesting stage of 2020 as we build and who knows what the real situation Re recruits may be at the end of October!! 

For those that were thinking of 'trading' Viney ie letting him go as an FA, it isn't happening.

Goodwin said in his press conf today that the club and Jack have been talking contracts for a while and he will be with the club for a long time to come. ?

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Come home Jesse ?❤

Plausible. If he doesn't get a game at Freo over the next few weeks, will be interesting to see what happens. https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/21/watch-this-space-does-hogan-have-a-future-at-fremantle/

5 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Yeah, you've got it backwards. We wouldn't have to compensate GWS for Williams, the AFL will just give them a draft pick, whole we'd have to trade for Saad, unless he went to the drafts, but he won't do that. Essendon are horrendous to deal with and will want Trac, Gawn and Oliver for Saad. 

Ooh....

What if Saad refuses to sign a new contract with them, which is what media suggests at the moment?

10 minutes ago, Grr-owl said:

Ooh....

What if Saad refuses to sign a new contract with them, which is what media suggests at the moment?

Then he'd have to go into the draft/pre-season draft and he's up for grabs to anyone. This virtually never happens though, so not worth entertaining. I think there's going to be a lot of reports of players refusing to sign contracts through the media, but really at the moment it's hard for them to sign as they don't know about list sizes/salary caps. The week that is announced look for a huge amount of re-signings. 

7 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Then he'd have to go into the draft/pre-season draft and he's up for grabs to anyone. This virtually never happens though, so not worth entertaining. I think there's going to be a lot of reports of players refusing to sign contracts through the media, but really at the moment it's hard for them to sign as they don't know about list sizes/salary caps. The week that is announced look for a huge amount of re-signings. 

Gotcha.

15 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the filth

definitely tom phillips; right where we want him in terms of age (25 in 2021), role (outside runner with decent footskills), and ability (he's played some ripper games, particularly on the g). still in contract so can't see them being keen on losing him, but they have a lot of talent - and a lot of father-son talent - coming through that needs games and can play similar roles. would the crocked tom langdon want to play with his brother? pies' backline has been their strength and while langdon is in his pre-agency year i'd be in his ear telling him about darren burgess and how he'll be playing with his brother. the situation with jaidyn stephenson is really interesting; keeping a keen eye on that one as he's clearly a talent. pies are one team who DO need points - they've got quite a few father-sons coming thru, with nick daicos already being talked up - so we could get some things out of them that would benefit our side and help them

preferences: stephenson, phillips, langdon

possible trade: hawks' 2nd in 2020 PLUS our 2nd in 2021 for langdon and phillips

Phillips is another one I coached as a kid and I coach with his sister (who I also coached when she was a kid). Out and out Magpie. Would be very tough to prize.

1 minute ago, A F said:

Phillips is another one I coached as a kid and I coach with his sister (who I also coached when she was a kid). Out and out Magpie. Would be very tough to prize.

even if he effectively doesn't have a roll and can't get paid due to outsized contracts for moore and de goey?

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Come home Jesse ?❤

 

 

1 hour ago, qwerty7 said:

Plausible. If he doesn't get a game at Freo over the next few weeks, will be interesting to see what happens. https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/21/watch-this-space-does-hogan-have-a-future-at-fremantle/

 

What a dream it would be to get him back, I still love that guy.

 

9 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

even if he effectively doesn't have a roll and can't get paid due to outsized contracts for moore and de goey?

Reckon they'll be keeping him, because they need to angle their list towards youth, given how aging it already is.

would love to get jesse back

hawks' 2nd round pick for hogan and freo's future 3rd plus they pay half his salary

15 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

brisbane bears

i find it interesting that there's talk about cedric cox but i have no idea why he hasn't kicked on since being drafted; just no spot for him up there? would love alex witherden but we definitely don't have the assets to trade for him given what i think he'd be valued at, but i have no idea whether brisbane have some intangible 'academy' that they can pick the eyes out of in this year's / next year's drafts. can't see us going anywhere near the likes of mathieson, but there has been some talk that tom joyce might be 'gettable' but given that he's from wa i'd expect him to go there rather than to melbourne. i rate noah answerth but that might be just cos he helped me win supercoach match-up one week a few years ago

preferences: witherden, answerth, cox

possible trade: hawthorn's 2nd in 2020, and our 2nd and 3rd in 2021 for witherden so they have more magical, mystical 'points'

every point u make from here on in is completely irrelevent now that youve refered to them as the bears

Just now, Turner said:

every point u make from here on in is completely irrelevent now that youve refered to them as the bears

i refuse to associate them with the rotting corpse of ol' fitzroy

Can't see too many teams taking a punt on anyone they aren't quite sure of with list reductions. think guys with any sort of baggage might have to play a year in the 2's in 2021 if they're on the market. 

Wouldn't mind us having grabbing Mason Wood. word is he is likely to be delisted. so get him for nothing. good mark, knows where the goals are

3 hours ago, Deespicable said:

Can't see us being big players in any trading/draft swaps this year - we've already had our top pick a year in advance and Kossie is a ripper.

But if there's one player whose name will keep coming up in a trade now it is Stephenson and whilst we all know he can play, he's now got a reputation for being a little bit timid. Personally I'd like to see him on a wing, rather than as a forward and we do still have one wing spot available that's not nailed into the furniture. As Rising Star winner, it's hardly likely Pies would entertain our second round pick for him, so we would have to trade a player.

The Pies have spanked us in trades in recent times - Dawes, Lumumba, Howe, Kennedy, Dunny - guess which ones exceeded expectations at their new clubs?

But I reckon there's one player who has a bit of risk factor like Stephenson and who meets their most pressing need of key position and that's Harrison Petty. I'm worried to suggest him, because I reckon he's still a huge talent and if he didn't have OP he'd most likely be in our side at the moment. He also can play forward or back, which is why they'd consider him. 

Gee when you mention those names the pies sure have dumped some crap players onto us. 

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Come home Jesse ?❤

The bloke has been through more than most his age, but he IS home now.

His personal issues have seemingly not gotten any better and his form has absolutely nosedived. Either of those things would preclude him from being taken back at the Dees, but both of them make it an absolute certainty.

Not sure what the deal is with Freo, they really seem to have some cultural issues.

17 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You must have missed the North game against the dees where you ran around having absolutely zero influence at all. Maybe ask North supporters what they think of him? They want him retired to get games into kids.

Fancy that huh...

I wouldn't exactly listen to the fans. Half you demonlanders wanted Oliver dropped. game set and match 

7 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I wouldn't exactly listen to the fans. Half you demonlanders wanted Oliver dropped. game set and match 

I'm surprised you weren't one of them, given the amount of trash you post.

Would love Jesse back.

13 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The bloke has been through more than most his age, but he IS home now.

His personal issues have seemingly not gotten any better and his form has absolutely nosedived. Either of those things would preclude him from being taken back at the Dees, but both of them make it an absolute certainty.

Not sure what the deal is with Freo, they really seem to have some cultural issues.

I agree with you that Jesse has been through more adversity than most in his life, but what is he to do if Freo aren't playing him?

He is reportedly training and fit, but Freo are overlooking him at the selection table and apparently trialling him as a defender. If he doesn't get a game this week or the next couple of weeks, you have to wonder what Freo are doing... He is too good to be playing in the reserves.

Obviously all rumour and speculation right now, but if there is disharmony between Hogan and Freo, and Peter Bell decides to trade him at season's end, not wholly implausible to suggest he may make a return to Melbourne FC. The only other possibility which would preclude Melbourne would be if he were to go to West Coast.

Total speculation and all of the above probably won't happen. I don't see Freo trading Hogan at the end of the year, but if it were to eventuate, Melbourne surely has a chance.