Fairly in depth commentary on the Dees on First Crack, with the usual damning footage of players just banging the ball on their boot. Oliver and Viney main culprits.

Not sure how we get out of this with this list, though the list can grow and evolve over the season - if we can get some of the next gen players on the park and keep them there.

8 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Fairly in depth commentary on the Dees on First Crack, with the usual damning footage of players just banging the ball on their boot. Oliver and Viney main culprits.

Not sure how we get out of this with this list, though the list can grow and evolve over the season - if we can get some of the next gen players on the park and keep them there.

If we assume that Oliver & Viney's handpasses hit their targets, both players only had 2 effective kicks (each) against the Cats

Oliver 2 of 14 (effective kicks)

Vibey 2 of 8 (effective kicks)

Overall

Oliver 30 disposals 14 kicks 16 handpasses ... DE 60%

Viney 15 disposals 8 kicks 7 handpasses ... DE 60%

But if some of the handpasses are missing their targets, that's just as big of an issue

30 minutes ago, Macca said:

If we assume that Oliver & Viney's handpasses hit their targets, both players only had 2 effective kicks (each) against the Cats

Oliver 2 of 14 (effective kicks)

Vibey 2 of 8 (effective kicks)

Overall

Oliver 30 disposals 14 kicks 16 handpasses ... DE 60%

Viney 15 disposals 8 kicks 7 handpasses ... DE 60%

But if some of the handpasses are missing their targets, that's just as big of an issue

Wheelo has kicking and handball efficiency stats. I can’t work out how to make a screenshot small enough to meet Demonland’s 226kb limit but Oliver is 56.6 by foot and 82.6 by hand, Viney is 48.9 by foot and 74.4 by hand. Not great..

Edit: i’ll add that Trac is 45.5 by foot, in the bottom 5 for us, 76 by hand. Our midfield is a butcher shop.

Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by Fromgotowoewodin

9 minutes ago, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Wheelo has kicking and handball efficiency stats. I can’t work out how to make a screenshot small enough to meet Demonland’s 226kb limit but Oliver is 56.6 by foot and 82.6 by hand, Viney is 48.9 by foot and 74.4 by hand. Not great..

Edit: i’ll add that Trac is 45.5 by foot, in the bottom 5 for us, 76 by hand. Our midfield is a butcher shop.

We need to turn the list over

From an overall perspective, the current list is incapable of playing fast, effective, attacking football with the accompanying footskills and handpassing skills. And our marking skills are woeful (especially up forward)

Our offense just isn't up to it and we need change ... so we need to rebuild the list

But that rebuild has already started in the 2023 off season with 2 first round picks (Windsor & Kolt) ... and then continued on last year with another 2 first rounders in Lindsay & Langford

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by Macca

What comes first, a rebuild of a list or a game plan. What is the goal? Does a new coach change either direction? Who needs to be making these decisions? Can these be made without a ceo or president? Can’t sit idle but can’t make rash immature decisions either. We’ve done that before.

I wasn't ready to be ordinary again. I really hope they make the correct decisions over the next few years otherwise this ends very badly. What worries me is opening the paper and seeing that Jason Taylor has left the building.

42 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

I think there are ways to play competitive football and be attacking. We've played far too defensively for years, putting no trust in our forwards to take a mark on a lead and never willing to give up anything from the backline to put something on the scoreboard. Whatever it is we're doing now is not the answer. We've traded one defensive gameplan for another and we're not even good at the one we're trying to do.

If we move the ball quickly from the backline to get more marks inside 50, then the best we could hope for is 23-25% of inside 50s being marked. Last year we were 22.4%. Our 21 season was 22.5%. The Tigers won 2 flags with lower numbers. In fact, our percentage was the 4th best of the last 10 premiers. The poster child for ball movement were the pies in 23, who marked 24.3% of inside 50s. We need to move the ball better but it’s not our biggest problem.

Our biggest problem is the other 75-80% of entries where the ball hits the ground. Our method is to create a stoppage, which opponents love as it’s easy to get numbers back and defend. It’s very different to what the tigers from 2017-2020 did, which is keep the ball alive at all costs.

The post game pressers last Friday were telling. Scott was effusive about Dangerfields forward work, particularly the things that don’t show on the stat sheet like keeping the ball alive. On Friday, Geelong were never pressured in our forward 50. Yet we were every time it went into geelongs.

But we can do it. Against Geelong last year was one of the games goody coached well in where he didn’t let Geelong have the free behind the ball, we put forward pressure on, and at one stage the game went for about 20 minutes without a stoppage. Guess what. We won. Inside 50s were pretty much even like last Friday as well. But there are probably 5 games in the last 3 years where we changed this up. The other 70 games we are just on a stupid rinse and repeat cycle creating forward stoppages leading to our typical congested forward line. The big concern I have, is I don’t think goody realises it’s a problem.

The big concern I have, is I don’t think goody realises it’s a problem.

23 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

If we move the ball quickly from the backline to get more marks inside 50, then the best we could hope for is 23-25% of inside 50s being marked. Last year we were 22.4%. Our 21 season was 22.5%. The Tigers won 2 flags with lower numbers. In fact, our percentage was the 4th best of the last 10 premiers. The poster child for ball movement were the pies in 23, who marked 24.3% of inside 50s. We need to move the ball better but it’s not our biggest problem.

Our biggest problem is the other 75-80% of entries where the ball hits the ground. Our method is to create a stoppage, which opponents love as it’s easy to get numbers back and defend. It’s very different to what the tigers from 2017-2020 did, which is keep the ball alive at all costs.

The post game pressers last Friday were telling. Scott was effusive about Dangerfields forward work, particularly the things that don’t show on the stat sheet like keeping the ball alive. On Friday, Geelong were never pressured in our forward 50. Yet we were every time it went into geelongs.

But we can do it. Against Geelong last year was one of the games goody coached well in where he didn’t let Geelong have the free behind the ball, we put forward pressure on, and at one stage the game went for about 20 minutes without a stoppage. Guess what. We won. Inside 50s were pretty much even like last Friday as well. But there are probably 5 games in the last 3 years where we changed this up. The other 70 games we are just on a stupid rinse and repeat cycle creating forward stoppages leading to our typical congested forward line. The big concern I have, is I don’t think goody realises it’s a problem.

Very good post...

That last line especially caught my eye.

Think the answer is he doesn't