He looks like a player that needs a long spell in the paddock.  Put him out give him a good break to get his body right.

There has to be some sort of injury to cause him to move the way he is.  It is something that is manageable but he is moving like a 60 year old

He was a good straight ahead player before he was a forward.

Wouldn't hurt to push him to fullback and put May up forward .

Goodwin likes to think inside the box.

 

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

He was a good straight ahead player before he was a forward.

Wouldn't hurt to push him to fullback and put May up forward .

Goodwin likes to think inside the box.

 

this takes our arguable best defender away from the backline so...no

if whacko jacko was fit i think it's fair to say t mac wouldn't be playing the last two games

you can see his own frustration that it's just not working for him; his effort is still there but his limitations currently outweigh his ability

anyone suggesting we 'delist' the macs need their heads read...or at least need to check their contract status to see that that ain't gonna happen

 I know that I am not in sync with the dominant sentiment of this thread but I thought Tom was better yesterday ,He took a couple of strong contested marks whereas previously he has been dropping everything .H was adequate as a relief ruckman and never shirked a contest .Yes he is slow off the mark and that is a legacy of his toe problems .If his marking continues to improve Tom will be a valuable contributor and should be persisted with .

I think we need to look to trade. He's about to turn 28 and I cannot see him ever improving again. 

Would be happy with a 3rd rounder .

13 hours ago, adonski said:

Jacko could be anything, I see a lot of people saying we need to target a forward but Weid & Jacko looks the goods to me...? As you said, teams have made it work with one tall, let alone two. 

True but why risk it?

Jacko and Weid certainly look the goods but what if one of them is injured ....oh wait a sec...or both?

Another big bodied power forward is definately a must have for future finals campaigns.  I dont believe we are going to get 20 plus from Tmac or Melksham. Maybe Fritta but thats about it. Given we still dont have a proven consistent small goalsneak, then where are our goals coming from?

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

He was a good straight ahead player before he was a forward.

Wouldn't hurt to push him to fullback and put May up forward .

Goodwin likes to think inside the box.

 

Yes yes yes!!!

10 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

True but why risk it?

Jacko and Weid certainly look the goods but what if one of them is injured ....oh wait a sec...or both?

Another big bodied power forward is definately a must have for future finals campaigns.  I dont believe we are going to get 20 plus from Tmac or Melksham. Maybe Fritta but thats about it. Given we still dont have a proven consistent small goalsneak, then where are our goals coming from?

May as well recruit another 5 inside mids in case there comes a time where Clarry, Track, Viney, and Gus are all injured at the same time then

14 hours ago, A F said:

Please don't suggest this. He's a butcher back there. As soon as he went back to ruck a defensive stoppage he kicked it straight into a Bulldog who picked up the crumb and kicked an easy goal. As @DeeSpencer says, his problem is he overrates his abilities and doesn't play the percentages. That spells death in defence. Would get killed once the ball hits the deck too.

I think he plays out the season as a KPF and we look to trade him. The problem is we're a bit skint on KPFs. Weideman, Jackson, Petty(?) and Brown. You couldn't see the latter being on the list next year either.

If Richmond can build a forwardline around one KPF in 2017 and win the flag, then we shouldn't be afraid of the prospect of having Weideman and Jackson with a rotating ruckman down there.

100% agree.

6 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Correct.

I would have had Smith playing forward all year.

We know.

Doesn't mean you're right.

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

He was a good straight ahead player before he was a forward.

Wouldn't hurt to push him to fullback and put May up forward .

Goodwin likes to think inside the box.

 

Congratulations @Biffen, despite competition from the likes of olisik, Elegt and Pickett2Jackson, somehow you have come up with the worst post of 2020.

You are advocating taking May, approaching AA form and clearly one of our stand out performers all year, and moving him to the forward line, to replace him with TMac who has no mobility and hasn't played defence for three years.

Absolute, A-grade, carp.

11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

100% agree.

We know.

Doesn't mean you're right.

Congratulations @Biffen, despite competition from the likes of olisik, Elegt and Pickett2Jackson, somehow you have come up with the worst post of 2020.

You are advocating taking May, approaching AA form and clearly one of our stand out performers all year, and moving him to the forward line, to replace him with TMac who has no mobility and hasn't played defence for three years.

Absolute, A-grade, carp.

Hyperbole.May is not in AA form.  T McDonald is "turning like the Queen Mary".

To switch them around during the game is a worthwhile option.

You and AF are over-rating yourself as Jock strap sniffers.

Tom MC runs well in a straight line and is not clunking any grabs up forward.

It's a suggestion worth trying during games, not a ten year plan.

Probably better suited here...

   On 3/24/2019 at 3:31 PM,  rjay said: 

Tommy Mac worries me, he's had a good season as a forward but has been very average as of late.

History shows he had a really good season and a bit as a defender then dropped off dramatically.

Let's hope it's just an aberration and he's up and firing again soon but the trend is remarkably similar.

Is Tommy getting ahead of himself or have the opposition worked him?

A big call but maybe Tommy could do with some Casey time with his brother?

From my topic back in early 2019...

I think he should have been dropped back then.

Most, including our FD lived in hope.

It was false hope.

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

Hyperbole.May is not in AA form.  T McDonald is "turning like the Queen Mary".

To switch them around during the game is a worthwhile option.

You and AF are over-rating yourself as Jock strap sniffers.

Tom MC runs well in a straight line and is not clunking any grabs up forward.

It's a suggestion worth trying during games, not a ten year plan.

It's not hyperbole. He's absolutely dominating.

It's not worthwhile, it's not a suggestion worth trying, it's ridiculous.

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think we need to look to trade. He's about to turn 28 and I cannot see him ever improving again. 

Would be happy with a 3rd rounder .

I think we would be lucky to get that 'dazz'...Bruce is a similar type a year younger.

"The Western Bulldogs have added to their key forward stocks by recruiting Josh Bruceto the kennel. The Dogs & Saints struggled to agree on Bruce's trade value over the past week, but the Saints eventually accepted picks 32 and 51 in return. The 27-year-old has been given a four year deal at the Dogs."

We would probably be lucky to get a pic in the 50's for Tommy in exposed form now...

Edited August 23, 20204 yr by rjay

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think we need to look to trade. He's about to turn 28 and I cannot see him ever improving again. 

Would be happy with a 3rd rounder .

Hes almost 30, body is shot to bits and hes been out of form since 2018. 

I doubt another team would even want him.

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

He was a good straight ahead player before he was a forward.

Wouldn't hurt to push him to fullback and put May up forward .

Goodwin likes to think inside the box.

 

He had lost is as a defender and we had to try and find a spot forward for him.

Started well in defence but then lost it.

The same thing is happening to him now as a forward.

It would be worth making the change during a game 'Biff', you have to try something.

...but as a permanent move, May has been too valuable as a defender.

1 minute ago, rjay said:

He had lost is as a defender and we had to try and find a spot forward for him.

Started well in defence but then lost it.

The same thing is happening to him now as a forward.

It would be worth making the change during a game 'Biff', you have to try something.

...but as a permanent move, May has been too valuable as a defender.

That was my point.

Goodwin doesn't mxi things up enough.

His motto seems to be "if it's broken, leave it".

Hate having  a go at any MFC Players but it looked pretty worse yesterday when the pressure was on and decision making was the premium. Not withstanding  that we never get a fair go from the umpires and this game had interpretations that seemingly didn't even get noticed in other games, i'm very afraid there were several standouts of softness in the ranks. 

I want them removed from next weeks game against whoever we are playing'

I would like to remember a game where the standout feature from it was the hardness of all the MFC Players, win or lose....

5 minutes ago, Biffen said:

That was my point.

Goodwin doesn't mxi things up enough.

His motto seems to be "if it's broken, leave it".

So your solution is to shift one of the best backmen in the game, and one who is currently in red hot form, to the forward line?

If you had suggested sticking Harmes on a wing, for example, then it holds more weight.

But your suggestion of moving May makes absolutely zero sense and doesn't do anything for the point you're trying to make.

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

So your solution is to shift one of the best backmen in the game, and one who is currently in red hot form, to the forward line?

If you had suggested sticking Harmes on a wing, for example, then it holds more weight.

But your suggestion of moving May makes absolutely zero sense and doesn't do anything for the point you're trying to make.

No worries.I'll think like the rest of you and add to the plethora of [censored] jockeys on earth.

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

No worries.I'll think like the rest of you and add to the plethora of [censored] jockeys on earth.

No need to get pissy, Biff.

There is merit to the point you're trying to make.  But the example you used doesn't make any sense.  Why think differently if it means you want to take one of our best players our his natural position for the sake of making 'changes'?

If you had suggested sticking Pickett in the guts for five minutes, getting Harmes to a wing or forward flank etc then yes, that is something worth looking at.

1 minute ago, Biffen said:

No worries.I'll think like the rest of you and add to the plethora of [censored] jockeys on earth.

Having a different thought doesn't make you correct or insightful.

Suggesting Goodwin should make positional changes might carry some merit if your suggested changes made sense. You are suggesting moving one of our absolute best and in-form players out of his role just to try to get TMac back in form. It's ludicrous.

If you wanted to suggest swapping TMac for Tomlinson, that might be an arguable idea. I would be against it because TMac hasn't played defence for three years. And given his poor mobility, we can't really have him trying to follow an opposition key forward. He'll get lost and beaten on repeat leads.

Sometimes, there is a majority view on something because the majority view is clearly correct. Moving May out of the backline is not a good idea, and hence is why you're on your own.

2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Having a different thought doesn't make you correct or insightful.

Suggesting Goodwin should make positional changes might carry some merit if your suggested changes made sense. You are suggesting moving one of our absolute best and in-form players out of his role just to try to get TMac back in form. It's ludicrous.

If you wanted to suggest swapping TMac for Tomlinson, that might be an arguable idea. I would be against it because TMac hasn't played defence for three years. And given his poor mobility, we can't really have him trying to follow an opposition key forward. He'll get lost and beaten on repeat leads.

Sometimes, there is a majority view on something because the majority view is clearly correct. Moving May out of the backline is not a good idea, and hence is why you're on your own.

Sometimes the majority view is correct.Sometimes you're just flock of sheep.

3 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Sometimes the majority view is correct.Sometimes you're just flock of sheep.

So do you think May is playing poorly?

Well done, Biffboy. You're best on ground. We're all sheep and you're the tactical genius.

Edited August 23, 20204 yr by A F

1 hour ago, adonski said:

May as well recruit another 5 inside mids in case there comes a time where Clarry, Track, Viney, and Gus are all injured at the same time then

??.

But we have others like Sparrow...Harmes and a couple of others that can cover injuries there.

In fact with Gus in the mix we have been wondering what to do with Viney.

Now with Jackson injured we have nobody but Tmac to play 2nd key frwd.

Not sure I follow your argument.