Dees on Brink of Another Trade Disaster

[Forest Demon 4,681]

6 games into their first year, not sure what else you could ask from a small forward and a 200cm plus forward/ruck.

Would not trade either of them for anyone else in the draft on exposed form, bar Rowell of course.

[Greendale 350]

17 minutes ago, Farmer said:

Do you still think so Greendale, after today?

jackson  could  win a Brownlow . Never seen an 18yo very tall, so promising

I think we'll know in 5 or 6 years time. I just think it's a big gamble that I'm not sure we needed to make. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong if Jackson reaches his undoubtedly high potential.

[dazzledavey36 54,098]

I was happy we picked up Jackson last year but I did also question he was the right type of player we needed.

Again I'm proven wrong. Jackson will win a Coleman next year.

[monoccular 17,409]

On 7/8/2020 at 9:45 AM, Rusty Nails said:

And Pruess still on the list W as a lumpy back up.  Im sure Jackson will be a good player at some point but is he a ruckman?  A forward?  Im not sure he is either.  Maybe that's a good thing.

But Young would have slotted in pretty much straight away and lifted our awefull kicking skills substantially off HB almost immediately.

Maybe he will be a good or very good forward / ruckman / or even a ruckrover Barassi (or Goodes for those not fortunate enough to have seen RDB in action) type

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Agree with this.

I reckon there's a fair chance we only released Hogan for pick 6 once we knew that GC would trade us May (+ KK) for 6.

In other words, we really traded Hogan for May + KK.

And even if we did trade May (+ KK) for 6, it was a justified call at the time, and isn't even in the top 10 reasons for our poor early-2020 form.

And don’t forget that Hogan definitely wanted out, had his head in WA.  Got something rather than nothing. 

Edited July 19, 2020 by monoccular

[pitmaster 3,512]

7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Maybe he will be a good or very good forward / ruckman / or even a ruckrover Barassi (or Goodes for those not fortunate enough to have seen RDB in action) type

And don’t forget that Hogan definitely wanted out, had his head in WA.  Got something rather than nothing. 

I don't think any close observer doubts the wisdom of allowing Jesse to return to WA when we did.

Edited July 19, 2020 by pitmaster

[old55 23,319]

I'd just like to make a big shout out to Josh Mahoney and Jason Taylor - they work together very well.

On the trade front Josh targets his man, convinces him to come to the club and then executes the trade with a minimum of fuss - Melksham, Hibberd, Lever, May and Langdon all essential pieces to the puzzle.  And I think that Tomlinson and Preuss can still prove to be astute transactions. 

Josh gets the essential players resigned with a minimum of fuss too. Christian Petracca anybody?

And when Jason Taylor alerts him to special opportunities at the draft he conjures the necessary picks and Taylor duly obliges with great high selections: Oliver-Weideman and Jackson-Pickett.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,669]

On 7/19/2020 at 12:40 AM, 58er said:

In all of this most people querying Jacko are vastly under estimating his ability to be a utility.

That is a mobile ruck, utility,  handy versatile, forward or around the ground plus a fantastic X factor.

Indeed Jacko has the potential to be a once in a generation player viz Barassi or Jesaulenko or Matthews or Buddy or Brereton or Hudson or any major player of the AFL/VFL in the last 56 years of our history.

Also examine the record  of teams With above 80/120 goals or Coleman Medallist's and very few have saluted in GRand Final day.

3 or 4 years out of Stephen May could be enough to win a flag ( or two) with say Petty his successor.

Look at GWS today and they are struggling at present and we could join them on 3 wins by tomorrow night and who would say our list is the potential of their AFL gifted amalgamation if talent!

Please keep some faith and sensibility about trading and its irregularities. 
 

PS Seem to recall a guy called Lockett and he hasn't ever hung an AFL medal around  his neck. Also another quirk is that Brian Lake win a  "Normie" who would have thought that plus Chip Frawley kept Josh Kennedy to a handful of kicks in 2015.

One trade decision does not prevent a premiership !!

I'm sure it was indavertent, but made me laugh. Six players named as "once in a generation" players over a period of 56 years. That means a generation is just under 10 years.  

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,458]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand bump.

Kossie and Rivers were excellent tonight and did everything you could ask of two first year players.

Its a fitting time to reflect on the Nth trade, though far from finished, its looking pretty good for the Dees.  A futures trade requires a lot of guess work and I liked the trade then, and I like the trade now.

 

(add in Jackson and 2019 draft of looking very solid)

[dazzledavey36 54,098]

Rivers is such a powerful player. The penetration in his kicking is good to watch.

[Axis of Bob 11,630]

For us to 'lose' this trade, we'd have to think that we would have been able to pick a better player than Kossie with our first pick in the upcoming draft ......

..... and if Kossie was available with our first pick in 2020, I'd be desperate for us to pick him.

[Whispering_Jack 29,708]

I suspect that there’s going to be a fair amount of trading going on when the trade period actually happens. With so many unknowns about this year’s draft selections on top of the large number of academy picks, it might well up as a free for all. The quality of each club’s drafters could well be determined by this draft. In the meantime, picking up Kossie wasn’t a bad outcome for us at last year’s draft table.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,669]

16 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I suspect that there’s going to be a fair amount of trading going on when the trade period actually happens. With so many unknowns about this year’s draft selections on top of the large number of academy picks, it might well up as a free for all. The quality of each club’s drafters could well be determined by this draft. In the meantime, picking up Kossie wasn’t a bad outcome for us at last year’s draft table.

While we knew about the academy picks we obviously could not have known that there would be no meaningful under-age football this year. That alone, is enough to say we did the right thing trading out a pick for this year. We turned what has become this year's much riskier option into last year's educated selection.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

On 7/19/2020 at 9:27 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Again I'm proven wrong. Jackson will win a Coleman next year.

Not if THE WEID has anything to say about it.

[Sir Why You Little 36,909]

Keep winning games and we win the trade, it’s simple

The next 2 games will tell the story...

We have to play with confidence against good opponents 

Smashing Bottom teams is cool, but it is not a real test. 
But i will say, I expected the MFC to lose one of the previous 2 games, because that’s what the MFC does. We didn’t, and both times we accelerated away in the last Quarter. 
Even moreso to win last night without the Capt and VC after a 4 day break was very satisfying, Players stepped up. 
 

Brayshaw must be played in the Midfield Simon...

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Agree these next 2 games are season defining.

We have lost to the top teams, we've beaten the bottom teams, now let's see where we stand with 2 other sides in the hunt for the bottom half of the 8.

Both games are definitely winnable too.

[58er 6,353]

On 7/20/2020 at 9:47 AM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm sure it was indavertent, but made me laugh. Six players named as "once in a generation" players over a period of 56 years. That means a generation is just under 10 years.  

The players were named as a list not as a generation each !!

All were in their respective careers a generational player but in footy context their times overlapped.

A generational player is an adjective only and describes their quality and fame and  uniqueness in our game ! 

[drdrake 3,155]

We also have our second round pick that is linked to I think where Fremantle finish.  So essentially from trading/drafting not including Free agency, as it stands our second round pick will be 4-5 spots better, we added in Jackson/Pickett and Langdon add in Rivers and so far we are pretty happy with our 2019 Trade and Draft period

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,435]

8 minutes ago, drdrake said:

We also have our second round pick that is linked to I think where Fremantle finish.  So essentially from trading/drafting not including Free agency, as it stands our second round pick will be 4-5 spots better, we added in Jackson/Pickett and Langdon add in Rivers and so far we are pretty happy with our 2019 Trade and Draft period

I think it's the Hawks 2nd round pick

[drdrake 3,155]

58 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

I think it's the Hawks 2nd round pick

Ok still an upgrade on current ladder positions