Jump to content

On the Couch - The Red Zone

At the break of Gawn
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

Posted

The guys spent about 15 minutes discussing Melbourne. Gerard even said in the opening that he thought this was team was the best on paper in the last 25 years. Lyon disagreed with this, due to the fact that too many of the players lack basic fundamentals (e.g. kicking). He pointed to the fact Melbourne persisting with this “red zone” play on at all costs footy, and that we don’t have the skills that can sustain at this frenetic pace leading to some of these horrible skill errors.

Melbourne has persisted with the play on at all costs game style (no.1 play on team in the AFL) which certainly is coach driven and can be backed up by interviews with players such as Gawn.

I think it’s time Goodwin drops the “play-on at all costs” game style as this list clearly doesn’t have the skills to execute it.

Edit: They also dismissed the notion of that the players aren’t playing for the jumper and that Schwartz’s comments were too simplistic (and I agree). The effort is evident with most. The only vision to disagree with this was Lever’s horrible “meltdown”’ (Lyon’s words) where he didn’t even fly for it and then looked to blame others.

Edited by At the break of Gawn

  • Quote
    • Like 4
     

    I watched the whole lot. Everything they said was absolutely spot on.

    Some daming vision of Viney, Oliver Lever and Langdon.

    These are senior players who are suppose to be leading the way. Viney was the worse one out of that lot. 

  • Quote
    • Like 4
    • Sad 1

    healy: "it's not the effort, it's the execution"

    "win the ball, don't create damage"

    lyon: "i watch this side every single week - they can't kick"

    gerard healy reckons we desperately need weed to step up; brown says he needs someone to work with him to develop...justin plapp is meant to have that job hahahahahaha

    two main gfx:

    image.thumb.png.c3de3e72cb322588d3ad28ca37791d49.png

    and

    image.thumb.png.639705cb76887f440dc13b1b0997dd82.png

     

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 4
    • Shocked 2
    • Sad 1
     

    So looking at the Oppo Score per inside 50 stat we ranked 9th back in the competition with Frost and Omac as our main two key pillars down back. So realistically i look at that and go its not that bad actually.

    We then go all out and spend big on Steven May only to see us actually rated 3rd last in the competition for this year on the big of just letting Sam Frost.

    How does that even happen?

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    • Shocked 1
    Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

    So looking at the Oppo Score per inside 50 stat we ranked 9th back in the competition with Frost and Omac as our main two key pillars down back. So realistically i look at that and go its not that bad actually.

    We then go all out and spend big on Steven May only to see us actually rated 3rd last in the competition for this year on the big of just letting Sam Frost.

    How does that even happen?

    all comes down the mids

    they let oppo waltz thru the centre no questions asked

  • Quote
    • Like 9

    13 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    all comes down the mids

    they let oppo waltz thru the centre no questions asked

    Blame can't be solely on mids here mate. It's the same personal of midfielder's that were running around back in 2018.

    Edited by dazzledavey36

  • Quote
    • Shocked 1
    Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

    Blame can't be solely on mods here mate. It's the same personal of midfielder's that were running around back in 2018.

    yep, but their workrate has dropped off enormously in two years

    and yr right - it's not JUST the mids, it's the mids, the forwards, and the defenders

    everyone has fallen off the proverbial cliff, petracca aside

  • Quote
    • Like 4
    • Haha 1
     

    They were spot on with everything they said...essentially it boils down to the fact that Goodwin’s gameplan does not work.

    Time to stop being a loser club...hard decisions need to be made and now!

  • Quote
    • Like 3

    • Author
    10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Blame can't be solely on mods here mate. It's the same personal of midfielder's that were running around back in 2018.

    I blame the turn overs. The mids run forward, as they should when your team mate has ball in hand, then someone does an inexplicable turn over that catches everyone unawares and the other team streams forward and our defenders have no assistance.

    Again, this is attributed to the fast paced style that Goody demands the team to play which has a high risk of turn overs. It’s a high risk game plan and we simply do not have the skills to handle it. Goody needs to drop it ASAP.

    Edited by At the break of Gawn

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    24 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    yep, but their workrate has dropped off enormously in two years

    and yr right - it's not JUST the mids, it's the mids, the forwards, and the defenders

    everyone has fallen off the proverbial cliff, petracca aside

    And what do we put this down to? Serious question. And let's not just say Goodwin's game plan. That's far too easy.

  • Quote
    38 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    healy: "it's not the effort, it's the execution"

    "win the ball, don't create damage"

    lyon: "i watch this side every single week - they can't kick"

    gerard healy reckons we desperately need weed to step up; brown says he needs someone to work with him to develop...justin plapp is meant to have that job hahahahahaha

    two main gfx:

    image.thumb.png.c3de3e72cb322588d3ad28ca37791d49.png

    and

    image.thumb.png.639705cb76887f440dc13b1b0997dd82.png

     

    Those stats are horrific

  • Quote
    • Like 5

    All the Frost haters would have found Nick Riewoldt’s comment interesting about him being surprised they let Frost go because he thinks he’s a good defender.  He also mentioned they could’ve had King with the Draft Pick they gave for May  

     

  • Quote
    • Like 7

    My take is that training is all about structures and should concentrate far more on skills. Basic skills. 
     

    Our basics. Kicking, Handballing, Marking, Goal Kicking have dropped off. 
     

    I can’t see any other answer if the effort is still evident. 
     

     

  • Quote
    • Like 4
    30 minutes ago, Brownie said:

    Those stats are horrific

    ridiculous to pot the Dees so far this year with a full team then include last year which is most of the numbers.

     

    Would like to see this year in comparison.

  • Quote
    • Like 3
    • Shocked 1

    The worst part is that our key players were young and inexperienced in 2018 and should be a lot BETTER now, not worse.  they are hitting the 100+ game, mid-twenties sweet spot.  Only Petracca is getting better

    Skills cannot have gotten worse for this group, I just don't bloody get it

  • Quote
    • Like 5
    1 minute ago, DubDee said:

    The worst part is that our key players were young and inexperienced in 2018 and should be a lot BETTER now, not worse.  they are hitting the 100+ game, mid-twenties sweet spot.  Only Petracca is getting better

    Skills cannot have gotten worse for this group, I just don't bloody get it

    We go quarters without scoring

    Skills have dropped right off since 2018

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Love 1
    26 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

    All the Frost haters would have found Nick Riewoldt’s comment interesting about him being surprised they let Frost go because he thinks he’s a good defender.  He also mentioned they could’ve had King with the Draft Pick they gave for May  

     

    Frost was embarassing the Lever camp. They had to act. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1

    6 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

    Frost was embarassing the Lever camp. They had to act. 

    Agree. Frost had a clanger or two but had 7-8 more defensive efforts than ANY of the current key defenders.  His pace and size was excellent for a key defender but another Goody scapegoat!! 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
    2 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

    Not according to Clarko.

    Frost at his best is borderline AFL standard and at his worst is calamitous 

    The revisionist history of his playing career is laughable

    To give him a three year deal would’ve been foolish

  • Quote
    • Like 9
    1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    healy: "it's not the effort, it's the execution"

    "win the ball, don't create damage"

    lyon: "i watch this side every single week - they can't kick"

    gerard healy reckons we desperately need weed to step up; brown says he needs someone to work with him to develop...justin plapp is meant to have that job hahahahahaha

    two main gfx:

    image.thumb.png.c3de3e72cb322588d3ad28ca37791d49.png

    and

    image.thumb.png.639705cb76887f440dc13b1b0997dd82.png

     

    And people still want to tell me 6 6 6 didnt change anythibg. It was all the coaches fault.

    Im not havibg a go at yoi WWW just making some observations.

    The "red zone" has worked during games but like was discussed we lack t her talent to execute right now.

    Either they play players who can execute and drop the onea who can't or change the plan. Something has to give.

    It will be interesting because if Goody cant fix it he will be gone.

    Edited by Unleash Hell

  • Quote

    • Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • NON-MFC: Round 13

      Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

        • Thanks
      • 25 replies
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Collingwood

      Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

        • Thanks
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Sydney

      The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and 
 it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • REPORT: St. Kilda

      Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
      This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

        • Thanks
      • 4 replies
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Collingwood

      After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
      • 232 replies
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: St. Kilda

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
      Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
      Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

        • Thanks
      • 47 replies
      Demonland
    View All