Through different eyes

[Robbie57 2,020]

I try my hardest to stay positive and know we have been dealt a crap hand this year but when a team just plays keepings off and we have no answer for it I think questions have to be asked. I didn't see a move to try and fix the problem. Each week I watch with the most loyal and positive of supporters and even he yesterday said the coaching and selections were bad. It may be the coverage but does Goodwin ever get mad about some of our terrible errors? I applaud the OP's sentiment but I'd like to see some improvement.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

58 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

“Be Patient and watch the Team Grow...”

We were told that in 2008

 

We have all been conned. It has to stop

And it has SWYL.

Owe got a snippet of our future in the 2nd half of 2018.

 

We are now drafting better than ever over the past 25Yrs,  and are now a club players would like to be a part of, once again.

We have stability, and te players are learning, particularly the yonger ones coming thru.

 

Of all people SWYL,   you should know what The Tigers were like when they ate their own,  and sacked anyone who didn't produce miracles O/night.

 

It is happening and the right way... finally since the late 1980's....   the development.    Which disappeared Mid 1990's.

 

Too mana postors are stamping their feet atmo,  all because of last years debacle season, which was about injury and health issues.

 

We now have a fantastic fitness/conditioning person just started,  and we recruited our socks off last season.

Hang tight SWYL, we are back on track after a horror 2018.   Where all players lost a lot of confidence/self-belief.

[Little Richard 6,262]

2 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

And it has SWYL.

Owe got a snippet of our future in the 2nd half of 2018.

 

We are now drafting better than ever over the past 25Yrs,  and are now a club players would like to be a part of, once again.

We have stability, and te players are learning, particularly the yonger ones coming thru.

 

Of all people SWYL,   you should know what The Tigers were like when they ate their own,  and sacked anyone who didn't produce miracles O/night.

 

It is happening and the right way... finally since the late 1980's....   the development.    Which disappeared Mid 1990's.

 

Too mana postors are stamping their feet atmo,  all because of last years debacle season, which was about injury and health issues.

 

We now have a fantastic fitness/conditioning person just started,  and we recruited our socks off last season.

Hang tight SWYL, we are back on track after a horror 2018.   Where all players lost a lot of confidence/self-belief.

Unfortunately I think the facts point to the contrary in that regard.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

2 minutes ago, Luther said:

Unfortunately I think the facts point to the contrary in that regard.

Really.  what facts are those 'Lth'.

[Sir Why You Little 37,010]

17 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

And it has SWYL.

Owe got a snippet of our future in the 2nd half of 2018.

 

We are now drafting better than ever over the past 25Yrs,  and are now a club players would like to be a part of, once again.

We have stability, and te players are learning, particularly the yonger ones coming thru.

 

Of all people SWYL,   you should know what The Tigers were like when they ate their own,  and sacked anyone who didn't produce miracles O/night.

 

It is happening and the right way... finally since the late 1980's....   the development.    Which disappeared Mid 1990's.

 

Too mana postors are stamping their feet atmo,  all because of last years debacle season, which was about injury and health issues.

 

We now have a fantastic fitness/conditioning person just started,  and we recruited our socks off last season.

Hang tight SWYL, we are back on track after a horror 2018.   Where all players lost a lot of confidence/self-belief.

I am not questioning the players

I am questioning the Senior Coach, who has no idea what to do in the Forward line. 
 

There are 2 basic CORE Rules to this game, and as we are THE Foundation Club of said game, we should be dam good at it   
 

1. To Score as much as Possible through the big Sticks

2. To Stop the Opposition from Scoring through the other Big Sticks. 
That is the most Simple Rules

Goodwin  Concentrates on the middle of the ground. 
Guess what?? Yesterday we won most of the Stats. What a Suprise!!

But he is clueless when it comes to efficiency 

you are saying last year was about Health Issues??

Spare me Please

This Club will talk about except THE TRUTH

Please don’t tell me to be Patient anymore. 
 

That’s the problem 

TOO MUCH PROJECTION

NOT ENOUGH DOING IT

Edited June 29, 2020 by Sir Why You Little

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am not questioning the players

I am questioning the Senior Coach, who has no idea what to do in the Forward line. 

Its not the forwardline SWYL. 

It's the method of bringing the ball into the forward-line,  that is 90% of the forwards issues. we bring te ball thru the midfield mostly unde the pump or we win a ball at centre bounce and bang it onto boot without any real vision or thought.

Its all midfield functioning, and 'm sure that is why We brought in  the saints old coach to help in this area.  Its why we brought in Langdon and Tomlinson to help defend with hard running, and also attack.

And we recruited recent seasons,  small players to start to build our future forward half,  with some skills and some pace.

 

The plan is happening SWYL,   but it isn't about this year is all.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

I need to see the replay but pretty sure it was when Salem had the ball at the death.  No one mad a good lead for him. No one did a dummy lead. No one co ordinated with any other forward. It looks like we practice for close finishes at stoppages but not in a set play from a mark. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,010]

12 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Its not the forwardline SWYL. 

It's the method of bringing the ball into the forward-line,  that is 90% of the forwards issues. we bring te ball thru the midfield mostly unde the pump or we win a ball at centre bounce and bang it onto boot without any real vision or thought.

Its all midfield functioning, and 'm sure that is why We brought in  the saints old coach to help in this area.  Its why we brought in Langdon and Tomlinson to help defend with hard running, and also attack.

And we recruited recent seasons,  small players to start to build our future forward half,  with some skills and some pace.

 

The plan is happening SWYL,   but it isn't about this year is all.

Of course it is the method of bringing the ball into the Fwd line

THAT IS EFFICIENCY and it does not exist

We win all the Stats and kick 4 goals. It’s a joke. 
Stop believing the Spin MFM

We cannot wait another 2-3 years

yesterday in perfect conditions at 3/4 time  we had kicked 3 goals

That is just crap ok, stop defending it 

[buck_nekkid 5,848]

Perhaps we are too wedded to the midfield group.  If Viney and Oliver were half forwards, and Brayshaw, Harmes, Salem, Bennell, Sparrow were the guts players, maybe our midfield’s ‘hidden’ woes would start solving themselves?

[Satyriconhome 10,743]

4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Which is exactly your personality type. Instead of criticizing performance of player, coach or club you specialice in criticising those who have an opinion. 

Nah, chap, I do point out players, like Lockhart cost 2 goals trying to play on, he'll learn from it

Not criticising, just think the bit about emotional involvement is overblown

Specialice   an Italian pasta?

[John Crow Batty 8,862]

My eyes show we are currently 15th. GC and Brisbane 2nd and 3rd. Like WOW! Some smoke too much funny stuff.

Edited June 29, 2020 by america de cali

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

16 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Of course it is the method of bringing the ball into the Fwd line

THAT IS EFFICIENCY and it does not exist

The players have to learn to do a number of things to counter the flood press strategies against us.  It's not easy, and they will learn when they do.

Obviously they know what to do,  but them doing-it under pressure is totally different,  to knowing.

 

You cannot force players to be better,  and its also a lot to do with team form as well,  that confidence side of the equation.

So with experienced players out,  and kids in,  it's even tougher to do what you want

[Half forward flank 1,022]

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nah, chap, I do point out players, like Lockhart cost 2 goals trying to play on, he'll learn from it

Not criticising, just think the bit about emotional involvement is overblown

Specialice   an Italian pasta?

Mate,  I grew up supporting the Dees in the Southern stand, to be precise, right in the middle, top deck, where the Cheer Squad used to sit throughout the late sixties and seventies. For fifty five years I have been correct in saying we dont have the players or the structure to win a flag. Nothing is different this year, in fact we are further away than ever. I have never been one of your chaps and will continue to have emotional involvement, you do what yuou like.

[jnrmac 20,055]

4 hours ago, Demons11 said:

I’m with you, some of our supporters are a disgrace. 
 

Yeah thats it, our club is a laughing stock and has been for years but its our supporters that are the problem.

[Sir Why You Little 37,010]

15 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

The players have to learn to do a number of things to counter the flood press strategies against us.  It's not easy, and they will learn when they do.

Obviously they know what to do,  but them doing-it under pressure is totally different,  to knowing.

 

You cannot force players to be better,  and its also a lot to do with team form as well,  that confidence side of the equation.

So with experienced players out,  and kids in,  it's even tougher to do what you want

Every team plays kids. I am sick of hearing it. Good teams learn to play under pressure very quickly

We keep regurgitating excuses whilst bottom teams go past us. 
AFL is all about Pressure, always has been. 
 

The MFC cannot cope under pressure on or off the field

As soon as Roos then Jackson left, we collapsed in a heap. With the Coach reeling off the same Presser every week. 
 

Brett Ratten will sort the Aints out and we will still be saying “we will learn from this”

It is all Spin since Adam Simpson exposed Goodwin as a one dimensional Coach  Nothing has changed since then with his style

He doesn’t know what to do...

 

[P-man 13,366]

I absolutely understand the frustration and impatience. I’m guilty of it too.

That said, I agree with the OP in that the weekend’s game wasn’t as bad as has been made out. If Tommo had kicked a little longer and straighter towards the end, the discussion would be a slightly different one.

It wasn’t a pretty spectacle for the neutral but I saw some signs of getting back on track. We met and bettered Geelong in the contested battle, and some of the passages of play this year have been better than anything we saw in 2019. 

We allowed them to take too many uncontested marks and surely that is something the coaches will look at. The forward line remains a concern but it is not too late to shake it up and try to find a working combination. It is retrievable.

A Clarkson said he views us a finals quality side. For now, I’ll stick with his assessment.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

19 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Every team plays kids. I am sick of hearing it. Good teams learn to play under pressure very quickly

We keep regurgitating excuses whilst bottom teams go past us. 
AFL is all about Pressure, always has been. 

They are not excuses SWYL.   For us its our reality. 

Not even Carlton have been down so low as us in recent decades.   And you know that,  as you say it some times.

Right now we are neck and neck with the blues in talent and development,  but as you know,  they don't have the ingrained culture issues that we do, of the past half century.

 

The good teams you speak of still have the major part of they're old team structure and experience playing together. This gives then stability under pressure. And helps the kids and lesser lights to not panic, and make so many mistakes.

 

We are coming from way-further-back than any other club, including Freo;  oh and the Suns to a lesser degree.

 

MfcSS.

Edited June 29, 2020 by MyFavouriteMartian

[sue 9,099]

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Who says people that are emotionally invested in footy aren't emotionally invested in their family? What a bizarre comment.

 

Yes, it would be bizarre if Saty (or anyone) had actually said it.  But he didn't.  He is just saying some things are more important to him. I doubt if he is alone there.  

I'll go further and say that if (to my surprise) there is anyone who is more emotionally invested in footy than in anything else, then that person may have a problem.  Beat me up.

[Sir Why You Little 37,010]

3 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

They are not excuses SWYL.   For us its our reality. 

Not even Carlton have been down so low as us in recent decades.   And you know that,  as you say it some times.

Right now we are neck and neck with the blues in talent and development,  but as you know,  they don't have the ingrained culture issues that we do, of the past half century.

 

The good teams you speak of still have the major part of they're old team structure and experience playing together. This gives then stability under pressure. And helps the kids and lesser lights to not panic, and make so many mistakes.

 

We are coming from way-further-back than any other club, including Freo;  oh and the Suns to a lesser degree.

 

MfcSS.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES

That is the problem 

FFS

[old dee 23,782]

38 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Yeah thats it, our club is a laughing stock and has been for years but its our supporters that are the problem.

Yep it is us jnr the ones that continue to buy memberships year after year, who put in extra money very time the finances fall ( which is seemingly every other year. We go  along to the G to watch us fail again and again. 

 

[old dee 23,782]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

STOP MAKING EXCUSES

That is the problem 

FFS

I have real trouble understand that people don’t seem to understand that we don’t win often enough over decades.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

13 minutes ago, sue said:

Yes, it would be bizarre if Saty (or anyone) had actually said it.  But he didn't.  He is just saying some things are more important to him. I doubt if he is alone there.  

I'll go further and say that if (to my surprise) there is anyone who is more emotionally invested in footy than in anything else, then that person may have a problem.  Beat me up.

It's a false equivalency Sue, especially from someone with over 7,000 posts on a footy website. You can justify absolutely anything by referencing it against something more important:

"Oh you have corona virus? Well this person has cancer, so who cares"

"Oh you got a 10% pay rise? Well this person got 50% so who cares"

"Oh you're entire family was killed? Well what about the holocaust?"

"Oh you're a bit upset about your footy team losing? Don't you care about your family more?"

Discounting peoples feelings and emotional investment by comparing it something 'more important' is an absolute cop out and the prototype for avoiding any kind of accountability on the actual topic.

Also, why edit out the rest of my post that put it into more context?

Edited June 29, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Grr-owl 1,219]

We're emotional because we care. No need to argue about who cares how much or what is more important. Who was it that said sport is meaningless, but it's the most meaningful meaningless thing there is? Somebody, sometime, said something like that.

Salem's lack of energy and attack in those dying minutes was illustrative. There was no movement ahead and he kicks to a 3 on 1 in the pocket. That's just plain bad football. That moment is when TMac and Trac should have been at the peak of assertion, up and at it like lions onto a kill, with the smalls buzzing about like jackals after scraps. But they weren't 

It looks to me that there is a psychological block there. Maybe, the loss in the prelim in 2018 made the group scared of winning, scared to put it all on the line, mindful that failure might result. That kind of thinking saps you. 

[jnrmac 20,055]

15 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

They are not excuses SWYL.   For us its our reality. 

Not even Carlton have been down so low as us in recent decades.   

We are coming from way-further-back than any other club, including Freo;  oh and the Suns to a lesser degree.

MfcSS.

Carlton's ladder position each year since Mark LoGiudice was appointed president in 2014:

2014 - 13th
2015 - 18th
2016 - 14th
2017 - 16th
2018 - 18th
2019 - 18th

You're a 1 man comedy show

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,010]

9 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have real trouble understand that people don’t seem to understand that we don’t win often enough over decades.

Nothing changes mate....

And the Club want $5million out of Supporters Pockets with performances like yesterday...

 

We win all the stats except the Scoreboard and have been doing it over and over again. 
 

WE DO NOT LEARN.....

We Repeat...