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'Early Christmas present': MCG tenant clubs get multi-million-dollar windfall

“Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon will each receive home game payments estimated at between $150,000 and $200,000 per match for the remainder of the shortened season.”

Of course, the AFL has to include a fair share of home games for the MFC at the MCG. I’ve argued that means 9 MCG home games this year would be appropriate (given we finished last year in the bottom half) and that means 8 of the last 12 games should be played there.

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The other thing this shows is how much the MCC is ripping out of AFL at each game. 

No fans so the only income is from ground advertising.  How much do the clubs get normally? 

I seem to recall hearing plenty of times we needed 20-25K to break even from an MCG home match....how is it with zero attendees that they can give us $150-200K?

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12 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

The other thing this shows is how much the MCC is ripping out of AFL at each game. 

No fans so the only income is from ground advertising.  How much do the clubs get normally? 

I seem to recall hearing plenty of times we needed 20-25K to break even from an MCG home match....how is it with zero attendees that they can give us $150-200K?

i think this was discussed in the financial issues thread?

this is a case of the afl doing a deal to enable funds to be passed on that they've been withholding from the mcg; a deal has been done

next trick will be for the afl to stroke and pull themselves with a similar deal for the carpark tenants

every dollar helps

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There is already the call for a similar subsidy to go to the Docklands clubs and I'm sure the interstate clubs will not be far behind.

A strange deal to say the least. Could do with a little more transparency.

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2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There is already the call for a similar subsidy to go to the Docklands clubs and I'm sure the interstate clubs will not be far behind.

A strange deal to say the least. Could do with a little more transparency.

pfft, this the afl, mcc, and mcg trust we're talking about

transparency? never gonna happen!

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38 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

The other thing this shows is how much the MCC is ripping out of AFL at each game. 

No fans so the only income is from ground advertising.  How much do the clubs get normally? 

I seem to recall hearing plenty of times we needed 20-25K to break even from an MCG home match....how is it with zero attendees that they can give us $150-200K?

Because those MCC members are footing the bill. I paid $800 for my MCC & MFC membership this year and won't be given a refund. Add to that the other 100k MCC members and thats $80 million. Albeit, not everyone pays full memberships so let's round it out to $50 million.  

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15 minutes ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Because those MCC members are footing the bill. I paid $800 for my MCC & MFC membership this year and won't be given a refund. Add to that the other 100k MCC members and thats $80 million. Albeit, not everyone pays full memberships so let's round it out to $50 million.  

Yes we pay top $$$ But i do expect my Club to be looked after

 

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40 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There is already the call for a similar subsidy to go to the Docklands clubs and I'm sure the interstate clubs will not be far behind.

A strange deal to say the least. Could do with a little more transparency.

Does that mean Carlton and Essendon will reap from marvel as well. Why are those 2 clubs on the MCG " home grounds " anyway ?

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16 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Does that mean Carlton and Essendon will reap from marvel as well. Why are those 2 clubs on the MCG " home grounds " anyway ?

who knows...

it is such a strange and contrived deal (almost Alan Bond like) anything could happen. If they were businesses it would be like round robin invoicing commonly used to pump up revenues but surely the parties couldn't be that desperate. .

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41 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes we pay top $$$ But i do expect my Club to be looked after

 

And they are by the MCC. There's little to no staff costs, catering costs etc. The MCC has just pocketed $50 million for providing no service to it's members. So they can well and truly give a handout to it's MCG based teams. 

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1 hour ago, Caligula's cohort said:

And they are by the MCC. There's little to no staff costs, catering costs etc. The MCC has just pocketed $50 million for providing no service to it's members. So they can well and truly give a handout to it's MCG based teams. 

Yes indeed. You do not walk away from that. You get stronger

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18 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

'Early Christmas present': MCG tenant clubs get multi-million-dollar windfall

“Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon will each receive home game payments estimated at between $150,000 and $200,000 per match for the remainder of the shortened season.”

Of course, the AFL has to include a fair share of home games for the MFC at the MCG. I’ve argued that means 9 MCG home games this year would be appropriate (given we finished last year in the bottom half) and that means 8 of the last 12 games should be played there.

How disappointing that we're not the first club listed when they talk about MCG tenants.

The MCG is our home, the others are just squatters.

(***enter @Sir Why You Little for comment...!!!***)

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1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

How disappointing that we're not the first club listed when they talk about MCG tenants.

The MCG is our home, the others are just squatters.

(***enter @Sir Why You Little for comment...!!!***)

mcc kicked off the norm smith curse when they allowed the tiggas to occupy it from 65 onwards

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2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

How disappointing that we're not the first club listed when they talk about MCG tenants.

The MCG is our home, the others are just squatters.

(***enter @Sir Why You Little for comment...!!!***)

Exactly.

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The other exciting thing about this story is that my wonderful spouse, who has many excellent qualities but cannot count 'high level of interest in football' among them, knew about this before I did and made a point of bringing it up.  Proof of true love, I say.

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7 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

There is already the call for a similar subsidy to go to the Docklands clubs and I'm sure the interstate clubs will not be far behind.

A strange deal to say the least. Could do with a little more transparency.

How come Carlton are part of the MCG bunch. Their home is Edihad.

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5 hours ago, The Chazz said:

How disappointing that we're not the first club listed when they talk about MCG tenants.

The MCG is our home, the others are just squatters.

(***enter @Sir Why You Little for comment...!!!***)

Exactly. President Bartlett needs to toughen up

As an MCC Member i am appalled that my money is assisting Carlscum even in a small way

UURRGH They are disgusting

 

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1 hour ago, chookrat said:

How come Carlton are part of the MCG bunch. Their home is Edihad.

Carlton and Essendon play 3 or 4 home games at the G each year generally against each other, us, Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn

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Sub thread about the other stadiums tenants. 

 

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On 6/3/2020 at 8:49 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

'Early Christmas present': MCG tenant clubs get multi-million-dollar windfall

“Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond, Hawthorn, Carlton and Essendon will each receive home game payments estimated at between $150,000 and $200,000 per match for the remainder of the shortened season.”

Of course, the AFL has to include a fair share of home games for the MFC at the MCG. I’ve argued that means 9 MCG home games this year would be appropriate (given we finished last year in the bottom half) and that means 8 of the last 12 games should be played there.

Plus at least one possible away game at the MCG vs Collingwood, Richmond or Hawthorn.

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2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Plus at least one possible away game at the MCG vs Collingwood, Richmond or Hawthorn.

I doubt we'll pocket anything for away games though, only the home club would

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On 6/4/2020 at 11:27 AM, george_on_the_outer said:

The other thing this shows is how much the MCC is ripping out of AFL at each game. 

No fans so the only income is from ground advertising.  How much do the clubs get normally? 

I seem to recall hearing plenty of times we needed 20-25K to break even from an MCG home match....how is it with zero attendees that they can give us $150-200K?

The moment you allow 1000 fans in the door you have hundreds of security guards, gate attendees, aisle attendees, police and first aid costs, ground HR management, power, water etc. It isn't unreasonable to expect that it costs upwards of a few hundred thousand just to open the gates, especially one you factor in general MCG overheads and costs. 

20000 tickets at $15 each (estimated average price after membership, cheaper tickets, kids etc.) is only 350k. 

Those tough calcs may not be perfect, not they are in the right order of magnitude, so not unreasonable. 

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21 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I doubt we'll pocket anything for away games though, only the home club would

Yes agree. I was thinking about the number of MCG games we might get this year in total.  Hopefully 10 or 11.

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I wonder what impact playing home games interstate will have on our finances now that we are (I assume) unlikely to benefit from the MCC's generosity here. We may only get 2 home games at the G this year, last week vs Geelong and this week vs Richmond. Currently we will lose 1 home game (vs Suns at Giants Stadium) but it seems a good chance we won't see another game in Vic this year after this weekend.

Will this have an impact on the money required to be raised by the club to ensure we are an unassisted club? Does it blowout the target from $1m to $2m? Or was this already factored in by the club? Have we been able to negotiate a separate deal with the MCC? I note Bartlett commented on the podcast earlier in the week about the support we had received from the MCC.

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29 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I wonder what impact playing home games interstate will have on our finances now that we are (I assume) unlikely to benefit from the MCC's generosity here. We may only get 2 home games at the G this year, last week vs Geelong and this week vs Richmond. Currently we will lose 1 home game (vs Suns at Giants Stadium) but it seems a good chance we won't see another game in Vic this year after this weekend.

Will this have an impact on the money required to be raised by the club to ensure we are an unassisted club? Does it blowout the target from $1m to $2m? Or was this already factored in by the club? Have we been able to negotiate a separate deal with the MCC? I note Bartlett commented on the podcast earlier in the week about the support we had received from the MCC.

It was a round robin arrangement. AFL pay MCC ground rent and then MCC pay clubs.

Now ... no ground rent to the MCC and AFL still have the money.

Was a weird deal..memories of Alan Bond and the eighties

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