On 13/03/2020 at 01:27, Little Goffy said:

Covid-19 is just another of several zoonotic origin viruses that have spread within and from China specifically because of the hideous lack of basic hygiene, animal handling, animal welfare and workplace safety standards. 

They are far from alone in these issues but as a country with the logistical resources to incarcerate millions of people for being a 'suspect' ethnicity and to monitor the exact location, occupation and connections of any given person, the continued total failure to enforce standards in this trade is a choice made by the Chinese government.

Similarly, the culture of Chinese officaldom in choosing to arrest and threaten the doctors who initially reported on and advised action on the outbreak was a key factor in the scale of the outbreak and is also a persistent characteristic of Chinese authority.

There's no value in getting into blame but there is also no question that the particular features of Chinese government and the accepted norms of a neglected and exploited filthy underclass were major factors, as was the deep culture of utter disdain for animal welfare.

Also, the reason Spanish Influenza is referred to as such is largely because Spain was one of the few countries which did not massively cover-up the scale of infection, so there were regular news reports of it's spread there while in UK, France, Germany, etc there was dramatic under-reporting and minimal coverage.  Spain was not the origin point, did not have unusually high cases, and there was no feature of Spain which made it a greater vector of virus spread than anywhere else.  So there is entirely zero similarity between the two.

 

Too many facts in that post, LG.    Get ready to be called a racist/bigot and all the other cool buzzwords that mean have lost all meaning.

  On 13/03/2020 at 01:27, Little Goffy said:

Covid-19 is just another of several zoonotic origin viruses that have spread within and from China specifically because of the hideous lack of basic hygiene, animal handling, animal welfare and workplace safety standards. 

They are far from alone in these issues but as a country with the logistical resources to incarcerate millions of people for being a 'suspect' ethnicity and to monitor the exact location, occupation and connections of any given person, the continued total failure to enforce standards in this trade is a choice made by the Chinese government.

Similarly, the culture of Chinese officaldom in choosing to arrest and threaten the doctors who initially reported on and advised action on the outbreak was a key factor in the scale of the outbreak and is also a persistent characteristic of Chinese authority.

There's no value in getting into blame but there is also no question that the particular features of Chinese government and the accepted norms of a neglected and exploited filthy underclass were major factors, as was the deep culture of utter disdain for animal welfare.

Also, the reason Spanish Influenza is referred to as such is largely because Spain was one of the few countries which did not massively cover-up the scale of infection, so there were regular news reports of it's spread there while in UK, France, Germany, etc there was dramatic under-reporting and minimal coverage.  Spain was not the origin point, did not have unusually high cases, and there was no feature of Spain which made it a greater vector of virus spread than anywhere else.  So there is entirely zero similarity between the two.

yet china has been praised by the who for their response to handling this pandemic...

it is quite extraordinary what this is doing to the world

Here's an idea -

Why don't we cancel all the home and away games, derive a ladder from the pre-season results and the top 8 from the preseason play finals in September.

MARSH COMMUNITY SERIES 2020 LADDER

• 1. GWS Giants (2-0, 188.5%)
• 2. Gold Coast Suns (2-0, 163.6%)
• 3. Melbourne (2-0, 154.6%)
• 4. Fremantle (2-0, 149.5%)
• 5. St Kilda (2-0, 121.8%)
• 6. Port Adelaide (2-0, 119.1%)
• 7. Essendon (2-0, 108.1%)
• 8. Collingwood (1-1, 125.9%)
   
• 9. Western Bulldogs (1-1, 122.4%)
• 10. Brisbane Lions (1-1, 114.6%)
• 11. North Melbourne (1-1, 81.7%)
• 12. West Coast Eagles (0-2, 94%)
• 13. Adelaide Crows (0-2, 77%)
• 14. Hawthorn (0-2, 72.4%)
• 15. Richmond (0-2, 72%)
• 16. Geelong Cats (0-2, 61.5%)
• 17. Carlton (0-2, 54.2%)
• 18. Sydney Swans (0-2, 50.2%)

 

  On 13/03/2020 at 01:29, JakovichScissorKick said:

 

Too many facts in that post, LG.    Get ready to be called a racist/bigot and all the other cool buzzwords that mean have lost all meaning.

I’m one who tends to jump on posts that have racist undertones, but why anyone would jump at LG’s post is beyond me. It deals in facts and targets the govt, not the people.

Edited March 13, 20205 yr by hardtack

  On 12/03/2020 at 23:54, hardtack said:

Um, canceling the first round will definitely help, for precisely the reason you say it won’t help!!

All it takes is one or two people in the crowd (and there would likely be more than that) to be infectious, and they could unknowingly spread the virus to numerous people around them in queues waiting to enter the ground, in the crowd in the stands, in queues for food and drinks, by leaving virus (thanks LdC) on counters where others could pick it up, etc etc. 

So then just lock out the crowd. Do people realise that it is supposed to peak April/May so cancelling games would continue until that period was past.

Golf too 

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:17, Demonland said:

Golf too 

NHL season postponed last night as well.

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:16, loges said:

So then just lock out the crowd. Do people realise that it is supposed to peak April/May so cancelling games would continue until that period was past.

I’m not averse to the games being played in empty stadiums. I was simply responding to the ridiculous supposition in the previous post.

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:17, Demonland said:

Golf too 

EPL will as well within 24 hours. All sport to be suspended by mid next week I suspect.

What will I watch now? ?

Edited March 13, 20205 yr by AshleyH30

Love to play our first round against West coast at an empty stadium. No crowd would reduce their home ground advantage (and gate takings)! ?

This may be a dumb question but most other countries have much higher population than Australia and our land mass is much larger with population mainly spread around the country in the capital cities which are far apart. Shouldn't this aid us in our efforts to keep the virus contained?

Mass gathering ban is now in place wowsers 

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:39, loges said:

This may be a dumb question but most other countries have much higher population than Australia and our land mass is much larger with population mainly spread around the country in the capital cities which are far apart. Shouldn't this aid us in our efforts to keep the virus contained?

Potentially, it can help stop the spread in the countryside, but as the population density in the cities is similar to other countries, the spread is likely to occur at the same rate within the city centres. It's already in the cities, so there is no chance of stopping the spread Australia wide.

Edited March 13, 20205 yr by AshleyH30

Done and dusted. Sport all but over.

official health department guidelines on how infectious is cv. 

this sounds like complete bulltish to me............comments

Close contact

A close contact is someone who has been face to face for at least 15 minutes, or been in the same closed space for at least 2 hours, as someone who has tested positive for the COVID-19 when that person was infectious.

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:39, loges said:

This may be a dumb question but most other countries have much higher population than Australia and our land mass is much larger with population mainly spread around the country in the capital cities which are far apart. Shouldn't this aid us in our efforts to keep the virus contained?

 

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:43, AshleyH30 said:

Potentially, it can help stop the spread in the countryside, but as the population density in the cities is similar to other countries, the spread is likely to occur at the same rate within the city centres. It's already in the cities, so there is no chance of stopping the spread Australia wide.

Trouble is, Australia's population is actually very heavily concentrated, with 10 of 25 million in just two cities and another five million in just three more.

It doesn't even help Echuca or Tamworth much, because so much of our activity is concentrated in these huge hubs that all these other towns must keen interacting with them.

It's not like, say, Germany where you've got dozens of cities of 100k, 200k, 500k population. (With the nod of course to the Ruhr super-metropolitan zone)

In the end, it is all about personal habits.  Wash your hands, sneeze into your elbow, semi-obsessively clean surfaces, try to avoid touching any 'contact points', avoid touching people in greetings, stay clear of medieval theocracies.

One of the things driving people crazy is that there is nothing 'special' they can do to protect themselves or change the situation.

Oh, also, if you can, see if you can work out a plan to support casual workers because they're going to spend the next 18 months being sent home every time they get a sniffle, and support payments are only available for people actually required to self-isolate for genuine COVID-19 exposure risks. 

At this stage, people pressed into a decision of 'take the chance and hope it is just a sniffle' versus 'fail to pay rent and be made homeless' are one of the highest medium and long term risk factors for Covid spread.

It's it almost as if managing this kind of thing was part of the original rationale for the welfare state!   So, let's all take a moment to be glad we don't live in the USA.

Edited March 13, 20205 yr by Little Goffy

  On 12/03/2020 at 12:02, Dame Gaga said:

Just got advised by a doctor to stay away from crowds and at least a meter away from people. This virus is a heavy virus and only travels through the air about a meter

 

(unlike the flu which can travel through the air about 4 meters), but it survives on surfaces for 2 days.

This is why the face masks are very handy for this,  as long as they seal well and filter well enough.

  On 12/03/2020 at 22:50, Demonland said:

Agree there is no way patrons will be allowed inside stadiums for Round 1.

Very high probability that the season will be postponed for an unspecified period of time.

This,  I believe would be the worst thing to do. if we want people to stay indoors at home. 

Having nothing of interest to do inside the house will only encourage people to go out and mingle.  IMO.

The 15 minute face-to-face advise sounds nonsensical. If someone sneezes in your face in the first second you meet them, surely you’re infected. 

Thinking that the season will be pushed back 4-5 weeks (based on other codes around the world ) then the bye rounds and pre finals bye scrapped. Play 1-2 extra games during the year (less breaks) and push finals into October 

I’d imagine too much at stake with broadcast deals not too play all matches 

 

  On 13/03/2020 at 01:04, Diamond_Jim said:

you have to love F1

race is cancelled but it's us taxpayers who look like footing the cancellation bill while the mega bore that F1 has become marches along.

It really is a sport for dictators ... AFL on the other hand !!!

That could be the cleansing effect of this virus for the long term.  It could bring back Pro sports payments, back to a realistic level,  as the world in its forms, environment, economies, etc, all readjust to less international trade and travel.

 

Buy the  'HOLDEN'  brand rights, and bring back to Australia. for our future.

coag set to confirm ban for crowds of over 500

schools and universities like to be shuttered next week too

  On 13/03/2020 at 02:22, AshleyH30 said:

EPL will as well within 24 hours. All sport to be suspended by mid next week I suspect.

What will I watch now? ?

Kayo subscriptions will take a beating.

Round 1 either sans crowd or not at all. 

 

  On 13/03/2020 at 03:36, Demonland said:

Round 1 either sans crowd or not at all. 

 

There's a gouging opportunity here. Sell 499 tickets to each game at an astonomical price.