Training Ground?

[DeeZone 10,394]

Hmmmn why not incorporate an outdoor garden centre with Cafe that sells excellent coffee brunch and puppy chino’s. They are always packed out and will lower resistance. Lol.!!

[layzie 34,326]

That's a lot of cash in the trash.

[Garbo 1,559]

Be the most Melbourne thing that the funding dries up before we get our turn and after every other club gets there state of the art facilities 

[Demon Dynasty 17,129]

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

Hmmmn why not incorporate an outdoor garden centre with Cafe that sells excellent coffee brunch and puppy chino’s. They are always packed out and will lower resistance. Lol.!!

Don't laugh.  That should be one of the major highlights of the development!

Without footy, coffee, beer and smashed avos at 'dog friendly' cafes...what else is there?

[rjay 25,301]

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

This stadium funding charade is a game of ticking boxes. Doesn't matter what your true intentions are, as long as you tick the right combination of boxes to unlock the $$$. Some clubs are very good at it. We are terrible.

Yep, and the sad thing is that we led the way with AFLW and yet others who sat back and had no particular interest benefit from it in their funding.

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

Knocking back the Lexus Centre all those years ago, has really hurt us long term 

We got put at the back of the queue, and we are still there

[58er 6,809]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Yep, and the sad thing is that we led the way with AFLW and yet others who sat back and had no particular interest benefit from it in their funding.

Why oh why do D/ers  not understand that at this stage no proposal is completed to be refused  overlooked or written off. 

our Caulfield project is far from finalised so a specific authorised application has not been refused. The stakeholders are not ready yet but it is gaining momentum and priority. 

Some D/Lers post negative comments about our Club when we don’t hold the strings this stage.

Another virtually says we don’t fill out forms of application for funding and other Clubs are great at it. Well that's because the Cats for example have a ground and it is  easy to make a specific grandstand application for funding. By six time over they are good. 

No plan  including our training facility is near finalisation so hold the horses till it is. Or let’s get into our Club and make them the whipping boys again. 

Oh and the post about the Lexus Centre location not being chosen was and it is well known a walk up case of no money to put in. Joe G had just saved us from merging/ possible extinction but still it’s used again incorrectly as an opportunity missed with no mention of the fact that the funds were not available at the time in our finances. 

It’s all about timing and one must have some cash to spend on such a development I repeat.  

This may be the final option for inner city land suitable and it’s no good spoiling the facility after this length of time due to overdue haste. 
 

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

35 minutes ago, 58er said:

Why oh why do D/ers  not understand that at this stage no proposal is completed to be refused  overlooked or written off. 

our Caulfield project is far from finalised so a specific authorised application has not been refused. The stakeholders are not ready yet but it is gaining momentum and priority. 

 

Oh and the post about the Lexus Centre location not being chosen was and it is well known a walk up case of no money to put in. Joe G had just saved us from merging/ possible extinction but still it’s used again incorrectly as an opportunity missed with no mention of the fact that the funds were not available at the time in our finances. 

 

Joe never bothered to speak to Members about anything. And the money he did put in, had to be surgically removed from his pocket long after the promise was made. 
 

We are still nomadic 

[DeeZone 10,394]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Joe never bothered to speak to Members about anything. And the money he did put in, had to be surgically removed from his pocket long after the promise was made. 
 

We are still nomadic 

I’m thinking more semi- nomadic we always have Casey Fields to fall back on and that venue is far superior to the old Junction Oval.😁😁

[Demonsterative 3,021]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Joe never bothered to speak to Members about anything. And the money he did put in, had to be surgically removed from his pocket long after the promise was made. 
 

We are still nomadic 

The club has had options since the Gutnik era. What is now called the AIA centre being the obvious one. 

[rjay 25,301]

6 hours ago, 58er said:

Why oh why do D/ers  not understand that at this stage no proposal is completed to be refused  overlooked or written off. 

our Caulfield project is far from finalised so a specific authorised application has not been refused. The stakeholders are not ready yet but it is gaining momentum and priority. 

Some D/Lers post negative comments about our Club when we don’t hold the strings this stage.

Another virtually says we don’t fill out forms of application for funding and other Clubs are great at it. Well that's because the Cats for example have a ground and it is  easy to make a specific grandstand application for funding. By six time over they are good. 

No plan  including our training facility is near finalisation so hold the horses till it is. Or let’s get into our Club and make them the whipping boys again. 

Oh and the post about the Lexus Centre location not being chosen was and it is well known a walk up case of no money to put in. Joe G had just saved us from merging/ possible extinction but still it’s used again incorrectly as an opportunity missed with no mention of the fact that the funds were not available at the time in our finances. 

It’s all about timing and one must have some cash to spend on such a development I repeat.  

This may be the final option for inner city land suitable and it’s no good spoiling the facility after this length of time due to overdue haste. 
 

Yep, but my point was more about other clubs getting funding under false pretences.

[redandbluemakepurple 370]

6 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Joe never bothered to speak to Members about anything. And the money he did put in, had to be surgically removed from his pocket long after the promise was made. 

An odd comment when the club got $2.7M  of the $3M that he originally promised.   Rounding down to nearest $100 thou that is say about $2.7M than MFC will get from me (and others) in 60 years of support.

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

9 minutes ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

An odd comment when the club got $2.7M  of the $3M that he originally promised.   Rounding down to nearest $100 thou that is say about $2.7M than MFC will get from me (and others) in 60 years of support.

If Joe had been smarter, he could have engaged a lot of Members to financially contribute and we would have gotten another $5-6 Mill 

But he didn’t. Joe was King for a short time and we are still waiting to find a base

[Moonshadow 17,678]

7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Joe never bothered to speak to Members about anything. And the money he did put in, had to be surgically removed from his pocket long after the promise was made. 
 

We are still nomadic 

Still, he put in more dosh than anyone else ever has, by far. And at a time when the well was bone dry in terms of club finances. There was sweet fa chance of us being able to finance the Olympic swimming pool redevelopment. Also worth remembering the Olympic park running track (now Pies training oval) wasn't part of the original plan, it came later due to Eddie's 'coercion'

Edited April 4, 2024 by Moonshadow

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

12 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Still, he put in more dosh than anyone else ever has, by far. And at a time when the well was bone dry in terms of club finances. There was sweet fa chance of us being able to finance the Olympic swimming pool redevelopment. Also worth remembering the Olympic park running track (now Pies training oval) wasn't part of the original plan, it came later due to Eddie's 'coercion'

I understand all that. But while Joe was in charge, there was no negotiation. I say this because I worked with a Board Member at the time, I got daily updates on how hard it was to do anything. Yes Joe donated a large chunk, but it did come at a cost 

[Gawn's Beard 378]

22 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Knocking back the Lexus Centre all those years ago, has really hurt us long term 

We got put at the back of the queue, and we are still there

Perhaps over the last 20 years but the Lexus Centre itself has a shelf life, just like Punt Road. As a facility it’ll drift towards the back of the pack given the limited space / development potential

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

9 minutes ago, Gawn's Beard said:

Perhaps over the last 20 years but the Lexus Centre itself has a shelf life, just like Punt Road. As a facility it’ll drift towards the back of the pack given the limited space / development potential

Sure, but it would have been fantastic in 1998-99 when it was first offered. And it would have given us great bargaining power within the Competition.Big Name Players would have come to the MFC. 
Everything has a shelf life, but we are still trying to find a block of land, other clubs have redeveloped and rebuilt 2-3 times 

Edited April 5, 2024 by Sir Why You Little

[Gawn's Beard 378]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Sure, but it would have been fantastic in 1998-99 when it was first offered. And it would have given us great bargaining power within the Competition.Big Name Players would have come to the MFC. 
Everything has a shelf life, but we are still for a block of land, other clubs have redeveloped and rebuilt 2-3 times 

Yep agree with that. It certainly compounded the problems we’ve had as a club prior to Jackson, Roos and co. Less so now, and if Caulfield allows us to continually have the best facilities in the league for the next 50 years then we’re going to be better positioned than Collingwood & Richmond who will themselves have to be looking elsewhere 

[Sir Why You Little 37,296]

1 minute ago, Gawn's Beard said:

Yep agree with that. It certainly compounded the problems we’ve had as a club prior to Jackson, Roos and co. Less so now, and if Caulfield allows us to continually have the best facilities in the league for the next 50 years then we’re going to be better positioned than Collingwood & Richmond who will themselves have to be looking elsewhere 

Exactly. Now let me clarify, the Bentleigh Club and Leaoak were great purchases and i give him credit for those , but they didn’t assist in getting Training Facilities, which is what the core Business of The Club is. Winning games of Football. 
My Biggest worry with Gutnick was that he didn’t look far enough into the Future, there were ways to raise money back then, but he wasn’t interested. 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,762]

I wonder if the people against our proposed move to Caulfield are the same ones that just stopped a bike path connection being built adjacent to the racetrack and are now fighting with each other because it's been diverted down a residential street instead. 

[Grr-owl 1,257]

6 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

I wonder if the people against our proposed move to Caulfield are the same ones that just stopped a bike path connection being built adjacent to the racetrack and are now fighting with each other because it's been diverted down a residential street instead. 

Lol, I'm sure they are. Let them bleed.... The NIMBY Wars.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I understand all that. But while Joe was in charge, there was no negotiation. I say this because I worked with a Board Member at the time, I got daily updates on how hard it was to do anything. Yes Joe donated a large chunk, but it did come at a cost 

The cost were small compared to non survival, which is we were faced with. No point looking a gift horse in the mouth

[Biffen 12,949]

Is the Lunatic Asylum at Parkville vacant?

Might be appropriate.

[BDA 23,015]

There will always be NIMBY's. We just have to get the majority of the community on board. Given the inside of the track is used for very little presently it should not be a difficult case to prosecute and convince enough people that the project makes sense.

This is Kate Roffey's domain. If this falls over, I won't be blaming a few NIMBY's.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

12 hours ago, Biffen said:

Is the Lunatic Asylum at Parkville vacant?

Might be appropriate.

Princes Park?