The MRC own Sandown where, much like Rosehill*, the land is worth $Billions

The MRC are talking about selling off a portion of the land at Sandown** to finance the refurbished Caulfield and what would make sense is the MFC using the funds from the sales of the Bentleigh Club, Leighoak and the pokies for a new training facility at Caulfield

The real question is how much it will cost for the club to get into Caulfield.  If the numbers are right, we're in (in my view)

Later on, we could become partners of sorts with reciprical rights for both clubs etc

Other than the cost being possibly too exorbitant, it's exciting times ahead

 

*Rosehill is being sold off for $5Billion and that money will be reinvested into other existing race courses and infrastructure etc

**All up, the land at Sandown covers 112 Hectares (or 276 Acres)

Edited December 15, 20231 yr by Macca

Why do people care about the distance from them? By the time we’ve settled on a location and the facility is complete, you’ll be able to just beam yourself directly there.

On 13/12/2023 at 18:05, DeeSpencer said:

The Demons heartland as far as any exists outside the MCG is Brighton, Malvern, Glen Iris and Camberwell. Plus Bentleigh and surrounds.

Caulfield is right in the middle of that area.

You only have to look at the number of posters in this thread who live or have family nearby. 

Trying to argue against this is somehow more nonsense than your Star Wars mumbo jumbo. 

Those Port Melb options aren’t viable or desirable. 

A brand new training facility might not have ‘soul’ but it might be really great for staff and players. 

Every preseason I see Dees players running around Caulfield Park which is a stones throw from the Racecourse. Many of the players live in the surrounding suburbs. It would be massive for the players not to have to drive over an hour to get to training. 

 

9 hours ago, Macca said:

The MRC own Sandown where, much like Rosehill*, the land is worth $Billions

The MRC are talking about selling off a portion of the land at Sandown** to finance the refurbished Caulfield and what would make sense is the MFC using the funds from the sales of the Bentleigh Club, Leighoak and the pokies for a new training facility at Caulfield

The real question is how much it will cost for the club to get into Caulfield.  If the numbers are right, we're in (in my view)

Later on, we could become partners of sorts with reciprical rights for both clubs etc

Other than the cost being possibly too exorbitant, it's exciting times ahead

 

*Rosehill is being sold off for $5Billion and that money will be reinvested into other existing race courses and infrastructure etc

**All up, the land at Sandown covers 112 Hectares (or 276 Acres)

Yes there is a strong dependence on the benevolence of the racing industry which has always been so generous in redistributing wealth. 

But seriously

If Caulfield becomes a greenfield site for development of a training and administration facility it would be an extremely attractive investment. I think however that there will be many restraints due to the requirements of the racing facility.

Await the outcomes of the feasibility report.

15 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

What does this story say?

MRC are not known for gift horses... won't they want a commercial return on the land we are using.

Annual lease fees against the already owned facilities of other clubs could be a big financial drain in future years.

17 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

What does this story say?

Basically the Council is concerned that the Dees Administrative & Training base shouldn't come at the expense of locals access to the site and that the council has been kept in the dark about the plans.

Replying to

@superfooty

and

@chriscavanagh1

after reading the Glen Eira council's measured, public statement

 

 

https://www.gleneira.vic.gov.au/about-council/news/latest-news/melbourne-fc-s-caulfield-racecourse-reserve-feasibility-study

https://fc-s-caulfield-racecourse-reserve-feasibility-study

 

it would appear that Chris Cavanagh is seeking to sensationalise, got to give it to the Herald Sun NOT

20 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks wwsw I just listened to Perty on debrief podcast, he certainly addressed all the devils that we have been discussing post that Carlton nightmare game. He gets it. Thanks for highlighting the podcast as I wasn’t aware of it. It was very well conducted.

I was at a function and sitting near both Roffey and Pert during both finals matches. I was amazed on how calm they remained during both matches. Me on the other hand….. 😡🤦🏻

Me to WB I was physically spent after that last five minutes of the Carlton game, so many lost moments.

Shut up Glen Eira, no one likes you. 

1 hour ago, dpositive said:

Yes there is a strong dependence on the benevolence of the racing industry which has always been so generous in redistributing wealth. 

But seriously

If Caulfield becomes a greenfield site for development of a training and administration facility it would be an extremely attractive investment. I think however that there will be many restraints due to the requirements of the racing facility.

Await the outcomes of the feasibility 

Throwing good money after bad.

How about we levy members, a grand each to conduct the unfeasibility study, it may quieten down the two Bob millionaires.

 

All local councils have forgotten their true role, collect rubbish, maintain local roads and footpaths, support local businesses and help facilitate the development of necessary infrastructure to support the community.

 

21 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Shut up Glen Eira, no one likes you. 

Well certainly the egg thrower.

1 hour ago, dpositive said:

If Caulfield becomes a greenfield site for development of a training and administration facility it would be an extremely attractive investment. I think however that there will be many restraints due to the requirements of the racing facility.

Yeah maybe but there's a lot of unused land at Caulfield now that horses aren't being trained there 

And we won't necessarily be dependant on the MRC as we've got our own money and maybe some Govt support (maybe)

The key point is that with the redevelopment of Caulfield, there will be Crown land available for pursuits other than racing.  The stables and infrastructure for training took up a lot of the area

The trainers have taken all their horses up to Cranbourne & Pakenham

My gut feeling is that Sandown will be sold off completely (eventually) and that will bring in $Billions to the MRC ... otherwise there might be issues selling off portions of land.  Racing NSW had the same prospects with Rosehill until they decided to sell Rosehill off completely (for $5Billion)

As for where we would be situated at Caulfield if it came to fruition, I highly doubt that the facility would be in the middle of the racetrack as some might imagine ... more so down the Neerim Rd/Queens Ave end but offices could be situated near Booran Rd or even amongst the existing buildings ... there's a lot of area freed up now that Caulfield isn't a horse training facility

Melbourne is now the largest city in Australia. Any land available of the size we need is either way out in the suburbs or nowhere near public transport. Yes, the ideal sitaution would be a home base at the MCG, but it's just not feasible in the real world.

IMO Caulfield is a fantastic option.

As far as transport goes, obviously Caufield station is right there, 6 stops from Richmond. In the long-term future, a proposal exists for a trackless tram connecting Caulfield to Rowville via Chadstone and Monash Clayton. The first part of the suburban rail loop to open will be the SRL East, which links into the Frankston, Cranbourne and Pakenham lines.

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Basically the Council is concerned that the Dees Administrative & Training base shouldn't come at the expense of locals access to the site and that the council has been kept in the dark about the plans.

The MFC share the same vision.  Perty, very astutely imo, covered off this aspect during the DeeBrief podcast.

The Glen Eira council are useless, trust me. I’ve lived there all my life up until a year ago.

Caulfield Park is right around the corner which is very popular with the locals, inside the racecourse though, very few people go there in comparison.
 

The council is simply looking for a payoff to line their own pockets, given its crown land and they don’t get a say on what happens (that’s why you’ve been kept in the dark you fools, as it doesn’t concern you. You should be more concerned about fulfilling your own responsibilities to the citizens of GE).

Edited December 16, 20231 yr by Demon Disciple

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

Basically the Council is concerned that the Dees Administrative & Training base shouldn't come at the expense of locals access to the site and that the council has been kept in the dark about the plans.

So it seems we have announced it before "socialising" the matter with the Council?

Not surprising that, after the announcement, a journalist would ring the Mayor and ask "What do you think of this?"

1 hour ago, Deeoldfart said:

The MFC share the same vision.  Perty, very astutely imo, covered off this aspect during the DeeBrief podcast.

Quote from the Mayor "We want to know what our involvement is going to be." Astute?

When you go to the races nearly 70% of the race is too far to see and you see more on the big screens there.

It would be interesting to have a low rise building for MFC adjacent to the home straight on the inside of the course with double sided stands.  One facing the track and the other facing the training ground.  Bit of a win/win for both parties.

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

Every preseason I see Dees players running around Caulfield Park which is a stones throw from the Racecourse. Many of the players live in the surrounding suburbs. It would be massive for the players not to have to drive over an hour to get to training. 

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^