Jump to content

Are we plotting a late heist?

Demonland
Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

  On 16/10/2019 at 01:12, FireInTheBelly said:

Any deal with GWS shifting our pick 3 back to 6 needs to come with an agreement from GWS that they won't choose who we want at 6. e.g. If we're dropping back to pick 6 because we think pick 3 is too high for Stephens (just guessing a name), but then GWS use pick 3 on Stephens, we lose out on getting the player we wanted.

We don't hold all the cards here, yes we have the good ones, but certainly not all of them.

If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Shocked 1
     
    I reckon GWS will get 26 from North for Bonner and then trade us 6, 26 and 2020 1st for 3
  • Quote
    • Like 4
      On 16/10/2019 at 01:14, Wiseblood said:

    If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

    Isn't the point of them trading up to 3 so they can pick up another player, then use later picks packaged up for Green. Why would you use a pick on a player when you can get him later for less?

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     
      On 16/10/2019 at 00:44, Rusty Nails said:

    Issac isn't worth a high pick though.  So unless we are in a split via swap of pick / player deal, and soon, that's not even viable as it stands.  If he was part of a deal that's already been in play and discussions well under way?  Possibly.

    Would you consider pick 8 for Smith and 11. especially if the intention is to take Weightman with that pick so you're really getting Smith as a bonus.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Why help GWS?

  • Quote

      On 16/10/2019 at 01:20, jimbo1982 said:

    Why help GWS?

    Mutually beneficial deals is why our club gets stuff done at trade week and clubs like Essendon just blow hot air out their [censored]

  • Quote
    • Like 10
     
      On 15/10/2019 at 22:57, Fifty-5 said:

    Yes they can but the discussed scenario includes losing their 2020 1st rounder to us so they'd be down to later picks which would wipe out their 2020 draft. If they have academy players then they'd be in trouble paying for them.

    True but they can deal with that next year by trading back in to those rounds as long as the AFL signs it off (which they certainly would)

  • Quote

      On 16/10/2019 at 01:14, Wiseblood said:

    If GWS do the trade it will be 100% to take Tom Green.  They won't do it and then select someone else.

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

  • Quote
    • Like 2

    So here are some scenarios with GWS

    A. No trades happen

    Melbourne selects Green with pick 3.

    GWS matches the bid and is forced to use 1787 draft points (pick 3 2234 - 20% discount). This consumes their pick 6 and moves their next pick 40 back to around pick 42.

    B. GWS trades 6 and ‘ice cream’ for our pick 3.

                GWS picks up elite talent with pick 3

                Worst case for GWS is that then at pick 4 Adelaide selects Green.

    GWS matches the bid and is forced to use 1627 draft points (pick 4 2034 – 20% discount). This consumes their remaining picks in the first 4 rounds this year (40, 59, 60) and another 1024 points off their first pick in the 2020 draft. They may pick up more points from a Bonar trade, but not enough to eliminate a deficit going into 2020.

    C. GWS trades 6 and ‘ice cream’ for our pick 3.

                GWS picks Green with pick 3, and their next pick is 40.

    Scenario A gives GWS their Academy star, while scenario B gives them a top end talent pick as well as their Academy star, but leaves them short next year. I don’t know what Academy talent they have coming through for next year, but it would be a big call to go into deficit.

    Scenario C gets them Green and the rest of their draft is unchanged. A and C are very similar for 2019, so I can’t see why they’d do a trade with us to simply pick up what they could without a trade including ‘ice cream’. It’s even worse for them if they trade us their 2020 first rounder as the ice cream. That would mean their 2020 deficit comes off their 2nd rounder. That would be a draft disaster I’d say.

    Whichever way you look at it, they won't be trading with us for 3, and then choosing Green with pick 3. We 100% need to know who they're after at 3 if we were to do a trade.

  • Quote
    • Thanks 1

    So Gws want another high draft player at 3 and then use their next pic 40 to take green who is by all accounts a gun  

    Why the hell would we bend over to give them pic 3. Make them pay overs and see how much they want it. If not we have pic 3 and 8. GWS Next yrs first rounder is pretty worthless give the comprised draft  

    Why would we assist GWS in getting an even better side than they are. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1
    • Thanks 1
      On 16/10/2019 at 01:19, Patches O’houlihan said:

    Would you consider pick 8 for Smith and 11. especially if the intention is to take Weightman with that pick so you're really getting Smith as a bonus.

    Provided the Hawks sent back pick 42 for a Jenkins peanuts deal.... certainly PO!

  • Quote

    As long as we don't play the GWS cast off game again I'll be content.

    We've already done that a few times and it hasn't been a happy ending.

  • Quote
    • Like 1

      On 16/10/2019 at 01:54, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

    Dr G is on the money. Good diagnosis 

  • Quote
      On 16/10/2019 at 02:43, Diamond_Jim said:

    As long as we don't play the GWS cast off game again I'll be content.

    We've already done that a few times and it hasn't been a happy ending.

    No cast offs, and no future first pick. It needs to be a genuinely good player or no deal. Their upside is huge, ours would need to be similar and I don't think a late first rounder in a dodgy draft would do it.

  • Quote
      On 16/10/2019 at 01:54, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Nah it would be so they DON'T have to take Green. They would select someone else with 3 then match a bid for Green later in the draft. Staying at 6 means missing out on the extra player as they would need to use 6 to match a bid for Green at 3, 4 or 5.

    So basically they'll get Green either way but this allows them to get someone else on top (eg Serong)

    Right, cheer for that Doc.  I was off the mark on that one.

    Apologies also to @FireInTheBelly.

  • Quote
    • Like 2
      On 16/10/2019 at 02:16, DemonOX said:

    So Gws want another high draft player at 3 and then use their next pic 40 to take green who is by all accounts a gun  

    Why the hell would we bend over to give them pic 3. Make them pay overs and see how much they want it. If not we have pic 3 and 8. GWS Next yrs first rounder is pretty worthless give the comprised draft  

    Why would we assist GWS in getting an even better side than they are. 

    Being the second best team in the comp behind GWS is a pretty good situation. Richmond were that and just won the flag by 89 points. 

    In 2016 Brisbane traded pick 2 and late picks for 3, 16. 

    Taranto for McCluggage and Berry. As good as Taranto is the Lions got 2 core pieces of their rebuild who both stuck around and a couple of years later really should’ve beaten GWS in a semi final. 

  • Quote
    • Like 1

    Speaking of huge deals, what happened to Billy Stretch to GC?

  • Quote
    • Like 1
     

    What time does trade period officially finish today? 

  • Quote

    • Join the conversation

    You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

    Guest
    Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
    Reply to this topic...
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • REPORT: Hawthorn

      There was a time during the current Melbourne cycle that goes back to before the premiership when the club was the toughest to beat in the fourth quarter. The Demons were not only hard to beat at any time but it was virtually impossible to get the better them when scores were close at three quarter time. It was only three or four years ago but they were fit, strong and resilient in body and mind. Sadly, those days are over. This has been the case since the club fell off its pedestal about 12 months ago after it beat Geelong and then lost to Carlton. In both instances, Melbourne put together strong, stirring final quarters, one that resulted in victory, the other, in defeat. Since then, the drop off has been dramatic to the point where it can neither pull off victory in close matches, nor can it even go down in defeat  gallantly.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Footscray

      At twenty-four minutes into the third term of the game between the Casey Demons and Footscray VFL at Whitten Oval, the visitors were coasting. They were winning all over the ground, had the ascendancy in the ruck battles and held a 26 point lead on a day perfect for football. What could go wrong? Everything. The Bulldogs moved into overdrive in the last five minutes of the term and booted three straight goals to reduce the margin to a highly retrievable eight points at the last break. Bouyed by that effort, their confidence was on a high level during the interval and they ran all over the despondent Demons and kicked another five goals to lead by a comfortable margin of four goals deep into the final term before Paddy Cross kicked a couple of too late goals for a despondent Casey. A testament to their lack of pressure in the latter stages of the game was the fact that Footscray’s last ten scoring shots were nine goals and one rushed behind. Things might have been different for the Demons who went into the game after last week’s bye with 12 AFL listed players. Blake Howes was held over for the AFL game but two others, Jack Billings and Taj Woewodin (not officially listed as injured) were also missing and they could have been handy at the end. Another mystery of the current VFL system.

      • 0 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Brisbane

      The Demons head back out on the road in Round 10 when they travel to Queensland to take on the reigning Premiers and the top of the table Lions who look very formidable. Can the Dees cause a massive upset? Who comes in and who goes out?

      • 89 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: Hawthorn

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect the Demons loss to the Hawks. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

        • Clap
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 39 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • POSTGAME: Hawthorn

      Wayward kicking for goal, dump kicks inside 50 and some baffling umpiring all contributed to the Dees not getting out to an an early lead that may have impacted the result. At the end of the day the Demons were just not good enough and let the Hawks run away with their first win against the Demons in 7 years.

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 339 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland

    • VOTES: Hawthorn

      After 3 fantastic week Max Gawn has a massive lead in the Demonland Player of the Year award from Jake Bowey, Christian Petracca, Kade Chandler and Ed Langdon who round out the Top Five. Your votes please. 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1.

        • Like
      • 32 replies
      Demonland
      Demonland
    View All