New List Manager - Tim Lamb?

[Mach5 4,621]

So which of these players should we have recruited and for what role?

Should have quoted SONS.

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[Demons11 6,710]

7 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Traded in across the last 3 years. 

So let’s compare us to others where clubs have added to their lists since our 2021 premiership   Others have improved their list.   Just in my view, we didn’t seize the opportunity to recruit effectively 

Dees. Dunstan  Hunter  Billings  Schache   Fullarton McAdam 

Swans. Francis Grundy. JJ. Adams. Hamling

Lions. Fort. Daniher. Dunkley  Doedee*

Port  Finlayson  JHF  Rioli  Ratugolea  Sweet  Zerk-thatcher Soldo 

Cats   Bruhn  Bowes  Stengle  O.Henry

Giants. Bedford 

Hawks    Chol  Amon  Meek Ginnivan D’ambrisio

Bulldogs   Lobb Harmes

Blues. Cerra.  Hewett.  Young.  Acres. Hollands. 

Pies. Mcstay. Bobby Hill. Lipinski. Mitchell  Schulz 

Freo.  Clark. Omeara Jackson 

 

When you win a premiership and you have a tight cap, how do you expect to grab top end talent.   You do realise that you have to stay within the cap?

[spirit of norm smith 15,211]

@Mach5 The point was why waste list spots of players who are just random salary dumps like Hunter and Billings.   Sure we gave up later draft spots but missed the chance for good youngsters or emerging VFL talent. They are now list cloggers imv. 
29 year old declining injured types (Mcadam) are not the players I’m wanting to see added. Especially not giving up 2nd rounder picks to get them. 

Other clubs brought in talent to add to areas that they needed.  If you salary cap is tight, don’t invest in older players on 3 year contracts.  Go with younger hungry types.  Anyway it’s done but you need to learn and don’t repeat the sins of the past.  

[The Jackson FIX 2,695]

16 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

 

I think it’s pretty clear that nobody here actually knows what Tim Lamb does, nor how the roles and possibilities of list additions and deletions are divided amongst those within the footy department.

 

People are highlighting examples of trading that didn’t come off eg McAdam/Fullarton/Grundy to rationalise their anger at Lamb but my guess is no Geelong supporters are displaying anger that experiments like Dahlhaus didn’t work. 
 

Geelong‘s list-management success lies in their ability to pivot effectively over the course of a few years, albeit with a leg-up from their attractiveness as a unique destination eg Jeremy Cameron. 
 

Lamb still deserves that chance to show he can pivot (although he is running out of time) but it isn’t just the role of Lamb, it is a football department accountability.  I’d have head of football under more pressure than  Lamb is right now 

[Adam The God 29,379]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@Mach5 The point was why waste list spots of players who are just random salary dumps like Hunter and Billings.   Sure we gave up later draft spots but missed the chance for good youngsters or emerging VFL talent. They are now list cloggers imv. 
29 year old declining injured types (Mcadam) are not the players I’m wanting to see added. Especially not giving up 2nd rounder picks to get them. 

Other clubs brought in talent to add to areas that they needed.  If you salary cap is tight, don’t invest in older players on 3 year contracts.  Go with younger hungry types.  Anyway it’s done but you need to learn and don’t repeat the sins of the past.  

Because they were brought in to fill a need.

Hunter was a genuine winger who enabled Gus to move to half back.

Billings was brought in to allow more flexibility with Lingers, who played between wing and half forward in the first half of the year. We needed someone with the running capacity to cover those wing minutes, and we weren't expecting Windsor to play as many games as he did, nor to the level that he delivered on.

So they're not random salary dumps. That's irrelevant. They are strategically ajd cheaply acquired assets.

[spirit of norm smith 15,211]

@Adam The God we will agree to disagree.  Dogs and Saints wanted them out. They were NOT getting a game.  They had multi year contracts with bigger $$ for VFL players and they wanted them off their lists.  That’s the facts.  If you want fill a need, find that player from another club.  A player who is still up to performing and improving the team.  Eg. We got Hunter. Hawks got Amon (unrestricted free agent).  Left foot wingman. 

[Adam The God 29,379]

14 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@Adam The God we will agree to disagree.  Dogs and Saints wanted them out. They were NOT getting a game.  They had multi year contracts with bigger $$ for VFL players and they wanted them off their lists.  That’s the facts.  If you want fill a need, find that player from another club.  A player who is still up to performing and improving the team.  Eg. We got Hunter. Hawks got Amon (unrestricted free agent).  Left foot wingman. 

But you're not really listening to posters arguments here.

Amon would have cost significant TPP...

[Axis of Bob 11,181]

4 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Dogs and Saints wanted them out. They were NOT getting a game.  They had multi year contracts with bigger $$ for VFL players and they wanted them off their lists.  That’s the facts.

We wanted Grundy out. Geelong wanted Stengle out. Gold Coast wanted Chol out. Port Adelaide wanted Teakle out. Gold Coast wanted Bowes out. Hawthorn wanted Mitchell out. 

It's not a good argument.

We have paid peanuts to get depth players to complement the strong list we already had. Hawthorn paid a lot of money because they had salary cap to burn due to their terrible performances whilst we had a list with the contracts of Petracca, Oliver, Gawn, May, Lever, Brayshaw, Salem, Langdon etc on it. You're comparing apples with oranges. 

[spirit of norm smith 15,211]

The point was offering multi year contracts to players clearly in decline. 29 year old players struggling to get on the field and struggling to get a game and on bigger salaries.  We helped the dogs and saints and crows and clogged our list.  If the cap is too tight, then surely younger hungrier players to fit the need would be the better strategy.  

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1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

The point was offering multi year contracts to players clearly in decline. 29 year old players struggling to get on the field and struggling to get a game and on bigger salaries.  We helped the dogs and saints and crows and clogged our list.  If the cap is too tight, then surely younger hungrier players to fit the need would be the better strategy.  

What you are missing is we have been in contention the last 4 years. We need some experienced back ups if come finals time we had injuries to best 22 players. Schache, Hunter Billings all fit this need. Id much rather Hunter starting on the wing in a prelim final if Lingers gets injured than some 18yo pick 67.

The other factor is with both Hunter and Billings we did a favors for Paul Connors. When he pays us back they will be a small price to pay in the big picture of things.