13 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

You don't get far in this industry criticising people. Ask Dale Lewis how his post football career has gone............

Oh yeh for sure, there’s definitely a pattern of ex-players, coaches and media people being outcast if they’ve been publicly negative about a coach, player or AFL in general.

I suppose my point was that he was very positive about certain people and aspects of the club, if he didn’t feel that way he could have been less enthusiastic with his responses without coming across as being negative.

Edited October 3, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The big one that pricked my ears also was towards the end he was asked who was the best leader at the football club. He said everyone was different but the 2 that stand out in terms of the alignment of the club and direction of the footy club for the future was Max Gawn and Jack Viney.

Many on here don't rate Viney's leadership qualities so it is good to hear from someone that would actually know

thanks for posting DD

 

Just now, DubDee said:

Many on here don't rate Viney's leadership qualities so it is good to hear from someone that would actually know

thanks for posting DD

 

I don't doubt his leadership, i think he's the most tradable of our inside midfield group, and there is a decent argument to be made to trade one of them out for some quality on the outside

15 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I don't doubt his leadership, i think he's the most tradable of our inside midfield group, and there is a decent argument to be made to trade one of them out for some quality on the outside

so in a team desperately lacking leadership, one of our best two leaders is tradable?  I know he had a poor year but he will be back next year and with hopefully some runners in the team to dish off to he will not be caught as often

I'm glad I heard this interview. It certainly makes a mockery of all of the doomers and gloomers on this site who refused to acknowledge the injury toll, who kept inventing all kinds of conspiracy theories about the players and the coaches and the training staff.

So that you have a better understanding of what an "interrupted pre-season" looks like @Satyriconhome :

“The midfield basically couldn’t do any competitive work. Even 10 years ago, you could condition AFL players with 100s and 50s and 200s (sprints).

“Now the game is ballistic and change of direction and it’s highly fatiguing.

“We weren’t equipped for it. We couldn’t do the work that those midfielders needed and the physical contact, they couldn’t do that. Then a tough draw and then a heap more injuries.”

37 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Many on here don't rate Viney's leadership qualities so it is good to hear from someone that would actually know

thanks for posting DD

When asked about the best leaders Macca said that Gawn and Viney were those most aligned to the team and totally invested in the direction of team.    

Macca commented on one aspect of leadership and I'm sure there are many other off-field aspects he is good at.

The leadership that fans are crying out for is on-field.  Leaders that have footy IQ, can read the play, help change momentum, ensure the game plan is followed, direct players to correct positions, ensure set plays are followed, bring recalcitrants into line etc etc.

Viney has not shown much in that regard and until he does he will be criticised for it, fairly in my view.

Edited October 3, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Listened to McCartney on SEN. What a polarizing figure he is. Egonamic, been there, done everything type desperately trying to convince he is still relevant. All over the place. So, see ya, thanks for your service and lets make sure we do better next time. 

16 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

When asked about the best leaders Macca said that Gawn and Viney were those most aligned to the team and totally invested in the direction of team.    

Macca commented on one aspect of leadership and I'm sure there are many other off-field aspects he is good at.

The leadership that fans are crying out for is on-field.  Leaders that have footy IQ, can read the play, help change momentum, ensure the game plan is followed, direct players to correct positions, ensure set plays are followed, bring recalcitrants into line etc etc.

Viney has not shown much in that regard and until he does he will be criticised for it, fairly in my view.

We had that for the last 3 years in Lewis  though people like TGR see absolutely no benefit in the club taking him on when clearly that was identified by Roos as being a big void.

I think May and Lever are 2 who identify issues on field and try to address them

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He also didn’t have to say all the positive things he did.

He does if he wants to coach at another club

10 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Listened to McCartney on SEN. What a polarizing figure he is. Egonamic, been there, done everything type desperately trying to convince he is still relevant. All over the place. So, see ya, thanks for your service and lets make sure we do better next time. 

He definitely didn't give me that impression at all. Seemed extremely humble on his time at the Dees and didn't have a bad word to say about anyone at the club.

 

I find the irony amusing that most of your posts are closer to your description of Brendan. 

2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

We had that for the last 3 years in Lewis  though people like TGR see absolutely no benefit in the club taking him on when clearly that was identified by Roos as being a big void.

I think May and Lever are 2 who identify issues on field and try to address them

We will miss Lewis' leadership. 

Totally agree that May and Lever are our best bet for on-field leadership.  Viney needs the help and I hope he accepts it.

As an aside, I'm increasingly impressed with Oliver's on-field direction of team mates (excepting the public spray he gave Fritsch).  He has a good footy brain and his public speaking is very good for his age.  Very good speech at the bnf, one of the few that thanked people.  Wouldn't mind him as captain in about 4-5 years.

Edited October 3, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 minutes ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

He definitely didn't give me that impression at all. Seemed extremely humble on his time at the Dees and didn't have a bad word to say about anyone at the club.

 

I find the irony amusing that most of your posts are closer to your description of Brendan. 

He was paid handsomely for any success he achieved which was none  of any great significance while he was there. Unable to produce more than two blokes who are capable or ready for leadership in 2020. 

1 minute ago, Sorry kids said:

He was paid handsomely for any success he achieved which was none  of any great significance while he was there. Unable to produce more than two blokes who are capable or ready for leadership in 2020. 

I disagree completely. Several years of linear improvement and a prelim with one terrible year seems like a pretty good result if you ask me.  You may as well sack everyone in the club if you want to apply that logic. 

8 minutes ago, AllMyTeamsAreWank said:

I disagree completely. Several years of linear improvement and a prelim with one terrible year seems like a pretty good result if you ask me.  You may as well sack everyone in the club if you want to apply that logic. 

Try and focus. We are talking about McCartney, not everyone at the Club. Developed two blokes who were natural leaders in five years. No success here or at the Bulldogs.

3 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Try and focus. We are talking about McCartney, not everyone at the Club. Developed two blokes who were natural leaders in five years. No success here or at the Bulldogs.

Focus? More irony as you seem to have focused on the throwaway comment in my post and completely ignored my point!  

You are either judging his entire tenure at Melbourne off one horrible year where there seems to be multiple extrenuating circumstances or you are just trolling. I suspect it's the latter, so I'm not responding on this again.

 

I have always respected Macca and even more so now, not a bad word for Bulldogs and now not a bad word for Dee's. Interesting that he could see that we were nearly cooked going into the Hawthorn final last year and obviously has helped Clarry develop quickly, hopefully our new batch of coaches can cover for him adequately. Good luck Brendan McCartney.

Hell SK they got a flag out of the team that he put together at the Bullies.............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

48 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

When asked about the best leaders Macca said that Gawn and Viney were those most aligned to the team and totally invested in the direction of team.    

Macca commented on one aspect of leadership and I'm sure there are many other off-field aspects he is good at.

The leadership that fans are crying out for is on-field.  Leaders that have footy IQ, can read the play, help change momentum, ensure the game plan is followed, direct players to correct positions, ensure set plays are followed, bring recalcitrants into line etc etc.

Viney has not shown much in that regard and until he does he will be criticised for it, fairly in my view.

He was asked about the best leaders at the club and named Viney then pointed out one of his qualities. He sets the standard off field with training and committment. He sets the standard on-field with attack on the footy, playing for each other and the will to win.  Some of the most important leaderships traits imo.

he is not a perfect leader however and I agree he has work to do in the areas you mention. It can be hard to do that when you are under packs so he certainly needs a lot of help especially from the def/fwd lines to set us up. It is fine to criticise but the criticism of him has been over the top imo - not saying by you but in general. calling for him to be dropped from the LG etc.  he puts in 100% and would do anything for us to be successful   He has earnt respect and I get my back up when supporters don't seem to show him the due respect

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

He was asked about the best leaders at the club and named Viney then pointed out one of his qualities. He sets the standard off field with training and committment. He sets the standard on-field with attack on the footy, playing for each other and the will to win.  Some of the most important leaderships traits imo.

he is not a perfect leader however and I agree he has work to do in the areas you mention. It can be hard to do that when you are under packs so he certainly needs a lot of help especially from the def/fwd lines to set us up. It is fine to criticise but the criticism of him has been over the top imo - not saying by you but in general. calling for him to be dropped from the LG etc.  he puts in 100% and would do anything for us to be successful   He has earnt respect and I get my back up when supporters don't seem to show him the due respect

Viney just needs to learn there is more than one way for him individually or as a team to win the ball. At times he becomes predictable in his attack on the ball. His only response when losing is to charge in harder. Once he learns a bit more subtlety and added maturity he can be a very good role player.

1 hour ago, Sorry kids said:

Listened to McCartney on SEN. What a polarizing figure he is. Egonamic, been there, done everything type desperately trying to convince he is still relevant. All over the place. So, see ya, thanks for your service and lets make sure we do better next time. 

Takes one to know one.

6 minutes ago, sue said:

Takes one to know one.

Well, this forum is pretty much made up of two types. Those that excuse the last 55 years of failure and despair, giving pats on the back to paid employees of the Club for doing their jobs and the few of us that demand better. I was like the happy go lucky crowd for 50 years but, no more.

The most interesting thing he said was referring to younger players who will initially do anything for the team then sometimes stray from that ethos at the next stage of development. That's exactly what we saw this year

Edited October 3, 20195 yr by xiss

12 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Well, this forum is pretty much made up of two types.

It's an old adage that there are three types of people in this world.

Those that can add up and those that can't.