Farewell Sam Frost

[old55 23,572]

39 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Did anyone watch this year? Frost had some clangers. But others were as bad!  How does ANB get a new contract? 

I'm not an ANB fan but part of the explanation is likely to be that Frost is asking for more per year than we're paying NB for the entire contract.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,215]

2 hours ago, hemingway said:

Sure Frostys disposal is iffy but hey join the club. His attack on the ball and dash make him stand out so his clangers look bad.

 

Jesus wept

Nah what makes him standout is the amount of times his turnovers go flying back over our defenders heads for an opposition score

[Ethan Tremblay 30,859]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Reckon Dal Santo sums up my feelings on Frosty:

Nick Dal Santo: Sam Frost is fantastic defender but questionable with ball in hand. In the modern game you have to be able to make split-second decisions off the half back line. I think that might be the reason that the Demons haven't re-signed him.

Pretty well spot on excerpt for the reason why he haven’t re-signed him. 

[McQueen 17,864]

5 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Hey, what’s the deal with the aggro here? I make a pretty harmless observation (sure, it might not have been an accurate one), some guy jumps down my throat and six of you pile on with the ‘likes’. Am I not in the Cool Club? 

 

You’re in mine mate and I am the ‘King of Cool’. 

I’m enjoying your witty contributions. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by McQueen

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

10 minutes ago, McQueen said:

You’re in mine mate and I am the ‘King of Cool’. 

I’m enjoying your witty contributions. 

If there was a button that shared half your school-lunch with another poster I’d hit that, but for now I’ll just hit “thanks”. ??

[Older demon 2,741]

I know Frosty so I declare my bias and I will be very sorry to see him leave as I believe he has something to offer the club. Dal Santo stated this morning on SEN that he spoke to Frost last week and to date he has had NO OFFER yet from the club. This is in line with what his manager has stated despite what others have stated ie That his asking price is too high. I don't think you can trust anyone in the trade period. Personally I think the club would be mad to trade him but I don't know all the cards on the table.

What we do know is that Stretch & Frosty don't have offers yet for 2020 which doesn't give one confidence that they are in the clubs ongoing plans.

In Sam's case he is currently out of contract and we have May, Lever, OMac and Petty as key backs so as much as this site dislikes Oscar he is in contract. Sam is the easiest to move on as is Billy.

In addition we have no insight into what the club expects moving forward and if they want to develop Petty more. I also note that in a recent article by Lever about rebuilding the backline he did not mention Sam.

I don't like the decision but other clubs are moving on players. I cannot imagine why Saints want to move on Bruce, Adelaide haven't offered Keath much and Tomlinson is squeezed out at GWS.

Every year players get squeezed out or traded. The club determines what happens and the frustration is our opinion amounts to nothing

Edited October 2, 2019 by Older demon

[Macca 16,967]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Jesus wept

Nah what makes him standout is the amount of times his turnovers go flying back over our defenders heads for an opposition score

What about the rest of them?  Do you let them off the hook?  You shouldn't.

They're all as bad as each other.  Coach killers but the coach isn't that good either. 

I'd clear the decks rather than try and single anyone out

The players rule the roost and the club lets them do it.  Most people I know that are non Demons all make the same observation.

And the same types of players who rule the roost are the first to jump ship when it suits them.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Macca

[Macca 16,967]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

I'm not an ANB fan but part of the explanation is likely to be that Frost is asking for more per year than we're paying NB for the entire contract.

Frost may well have overpriced himself to get out of the joint.  Quite freely too without Hawthorn telling him to do so. 

Or the Hawks might have played that card.

Or perhaps the 'too-high' asking price isn't actually true at all.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Macca

[TGR 1,367]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

That’s a shocker if true. Hawks are masters at screwing others in trading 

We are the masters of getting screwed.

Lever = 2 first rounders.

Hoges.  Freo played us beautifully with the theatre of walking away.

 

Clarko is a genius though.  Gets rid of the trash that others think are treasure.

 

[Bang Na Demon 167]

Relax

I`m sure the Oscar McDonald contract extension negotiations are well underway and Josh Wagner is locked up

[Adam The God 30,249]

1 hour ago, Robbie57 said:

I  think I have defended Frost more than most over the journey and loved his frenetic runs, I will be sad to see him go.  However sheer speed from the backline is not what we need but rather consistent and reliable ball movement. It's trite to say the ball in the air travels faster than anyone can run. If you look at richmond it was all about ball movement out of defence with kicks that retained possession either directly or to advantage. Frost doesn't fit that bill and if he wants overs then sadly he must go. The additional issue with his runs was he left the defence one short. I think that was the May heated discussion. A clearing kick to advantage leaves the structure intact.  

Agree with all this although as I've said earlier in this thread, pretty clear Frost was told to explore his options. So it's not that he is asking too much.

We want to try and play some welcome  AFL level defence next year.

[old55 23,572]

18 minutes ago, TGR said:

We are the masters of getting screwed.

Lever = 2 first rounders.

Hoges.  Freo played us beautifully with the theatre of walking away.

 

Clarko is a genius though.  Gets rid of the trash that others think are treasure.

 

Clarko is a great coach and his record is terrific but he hasn't reached "genius" yet. He won 4 flags in a single list cycle which is fantastic but IMO he needs to back it up with flags in another cycle to be a genius.

Recently he has been topping up with mature players to achieve that and has yo-yoed in and out of finals, losing in straight sets twice.  He has bet the Hawthorn farm on mature talent - he needs a flag in this cycle.

[dl4e 5,851]

I am a bit of an frosty fan but how often do we see a player  play well in his last year of contract then gets it renewed and turns to shizen. I think Frost may fall into that category. I will accept a pick in 30s as it may be beneficial.

[binman 42,942]

1 hour ago, Older demon said:

I know Frosty so I declare my bias and I will be very sorry to see him leave as I believe he has something to offer the club. Dal Santo stated this morning on SEN that he spoke to Frost last week and to date he has had NO OFFER yet from the club. This is in line with what his manager has stated despite what others have stated ie That his asking price is too high. I don't think you can trust anyone in the trade period. Personally I think the club would be mad to trade him but I don't know all the cards on the table.

What we do know is that Stretch & Frosty don't have offers yet for 2020 which doesn't give one confidence that they are in the clubs ongoing plans.

In Sam's case he is currently out of contract and we have May, Lever, OMac and Petty as key backs so as much as this site dislikes Oscar he is in contract. Sam is the easiest to move on as is Billy.

In addition we have no insight into what the club expects moving forward and if they want to develop Petty more. I also note that in a recent article by Lever about rebuilding the backline he did not mention Sam.

I don't like the decision but other clubs are moving on players. I cannot imagine why Saints want to move on Bruce, Adelaide haven't offered Keath much and Tomlinson is squeezed out at GWS.

Every year players get squeezed out or traded. The club determines what happens and the frustration is our opinion amounts to nothing

Great post.

The bolded bit is why i don't get too caught up in all the trading and drafting shenanigans. What will be will be.

I understand that people love the various permutations and back and forths, and good luck to them - i like reading it. But for me its bit like the weather. A persons opinion about it isn't going to have an impact on it. 

by the by not every one dislikes Oscar. He'll play plenty of senior footy next year, mark my words.

[old55 23,572]

50 minutes ago, TGR said:

 

Clarko is a genius though.  Gets rid of the trash that others think are treasure.

 

Ty Vickery says hi Rono

[Macca 16,967]

2 minutes ago, binman said:

By the by not every one dislikes Oscar. He'll play plenty of senior footy next year, mark my words.

Oscar needs some beast-mode if he wants to become a better player. 

Put some real muscle on that frame and play with more aggression accordingly.

His actual skills when kicking aren't too bad but he gets outbodied far too easily in marking contests.  Thus when the ball hits the deck he's often out of position

I'd keep him as back-up though as injuries are almost a given in the AFL.

[binman 42,942]

3 minutes ago, Macca said:

Oscar needs some beast-mode if he wants to become a better player. 

Put some real muscle on that frame and play with more aggression accordingly.

His actual skills when kicking aren't too bad but he gets outbodied far too easily in marking contests.  Thus when the ball hits the deck he's often out of position

I'd keep him as back-up though as injuries are almost a given in the AFL.

Most of all i reckon he needs to get quicker from a standing start. i hope burgess focuses on improving his speed over the first 5 metres

[Moonshadow 17,676]

53 minutes ago, TGR said:

We are the masters of getting screwed.

Lever = 2 first rounders.

Hoges.  Freo played us beautifully with the theatre of walking away.

 

Clarko is a genius though.  Gets rid of the trash that others think are treasure.

 

Hyperbole.

The reality is it was picks 10 and 19 for Lever

We got pick 6 for Hogan which could've been Ben King if we had taken it to draft night. Alas, we didn't. And Hogan has been quite the flop for Freo.

Please name an ex Melbourne player that Clarko has improved?

[dazzledavey36 54,927]

Just now, Moonshadow said:

Hyperbole.

The reality is it was picks 10 and 19 for Lever

We got pick 6 for Hogan which could've been Ben King if we had taken it to draft night. Alas, we didn't. And Hogan has been quite the flop for Freo.

Please name an ex Melbourne player that Clarko has improved?

Paul Johnson........

 

?

[Adam The God 30,249]

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

I'm not an ANB fan but part of the explanation is likely to be that Frost is asking for more per year than we're paying NB for the entire contract.

Despite ANB turning it over and being a fumbler, he does have the capacity to play a role in a team defence and defence is everything these days.

Comparing Frost's value to ANB's is pointless IMO. They're different players and bring different attributes. When ANB is playing well he's doing a lot of hard running that goes unnoticed.

[Adam The God 30,249]

7 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

Hey, what’s the deal with the aggro here? I make a pretty harmless observation (sure, it might not have been an accurate one), some guy jumps down my throat and six of you pile on with the ‘likes’. Am I not in the Cool Club? 

 

You needlessly antagonised with the comment about taking a bex and having a lie down. If you throw that sort of thing out there you need to be able to cop it.

[Adam The God 30,249]

2 hours ago, Older demon said:

I know Frosty so I declare my bias and I will be very sorry to see him leave as I believe he has something to offer the club. Dal Santo stated this morning on SEN that he spoke to Frost last week and to date he has had NO OFFER yet from the club. This is in line with what his manager has stated despite what others have stated ie That his asking price is too high. I don't think you can trust anyone in the trade period. Personally I think the club would be mad to trade him but I don't know all the cards on the table.

What we do know is that Stretch & Frosty don't have offers yet for 2020 which doesn't give one confidence that they are in the clubs ongoing plans.

In Sam's case he is currently out of contract and we have May, Lever, OMac and Petty as key backs so as much as this site dislikes Oscar he is in contract. Sam is the easiest to move on as is Billy.

In addition we have no insight into what the club expects moving forward and if they want to develop Petty more. I also note that in a recent article by Lever about rebuilding the backline he did not mention Sam.

I don't like the decision but other clubs are moving on players. I cannot imagine why Saints want to move on Bruce, Adelaide haven't offered Keath much and Tomlinson is squeezed out at GWS.

Every year players get squeezed out or traded. The club determines what happens and the frustration is our opinion amounts to nothing

Good post mate and confirms my own suspicions about the club pushing Frost out the door.

[Redleg 40,917]

1 hour ago, Older demon said:

The club determines what happens and the frustration is our opinion amounts to nothing

But isn't it great fun venting?

[old55 23,572]

20 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Please name an ex Melbourne player that Clarko has improved?

Frawley get canned here and he has been overall ordinary at Hawthorn. But he was instrumental in their 2015 flag when the moved him back after playing him forward in the first week.  He kept Walker/Jenkins, Pavlich and Kennedy quiet in successive weeks.

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

12 minutes ago, A F said:

You needlessly antagonised with the comment about taking a bex and having a lie down. If you throw that sort of thing out there you need to be able to cop it.

Righto.

“Have a bex and a lie down” is a pretty jovial bit of repartee in my neighbourhood, but I’ll just make a note in the diary here...

(...no lighthearted and/or nostalgic references to ‘calming down’)