Future of the NT

[Dee Watcher 71]

We sold our pokies venues so we'll need to keep selling games.

The fin's don't look that great outside of the significant cash injection from the recent venue sales as general revenue will take a hit next year.

Let's hope they invest the money wisely into long term ongoing revenue streams otherwise we'll have the hand back out to the AFL in a couple of seasons.

 

 

 

[beelzebub 23,380]

Time to leave.......the NT

It really does nothing for us.

If its about money then the club gurus need to get a wiggle on.

Either we get serious about football..and about  resources  or we just continue to street peddle ourselves. 

Time to grow up Melbourne. ..find your feet or just go home ( where ever that is )

[Moonshadow 17,676]

36 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

We sold our pokies venues so we'll need to keep selling games.

The fin's don't look that great outside of the significant cash injection from the recent venue sales as general revenue will take a hit next year.

Let's hope they invest the money wisely into long term ongoing revenue streams otherwise we'll have the hand back out to the AFL in a couple of seasons.

 

 

 

How are we compared to other clubs?

FYI, all clubs have their hands out to the AFL.

[Diamond_Jim 12,598]

7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

How are we compared to other clubs?

FYI, all clubs have their hands out to the AFL.

figures please and don't start and end with the broadcast money

[Moonshadow 17,676]

19 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

figures please and don't start and end with the broadcast money

I do not have figures, neither do you I assume. Didn't say i did.

But the share of broadcast money shows that all clubs get a handout from the AFL, as I said. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Bitter but optimistic 22,242]

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Stay tuned, Demonland's very own NT scout @Bitter but optimistic is all over this. More details to come (after he prizes himself away from the local cocktail bar)

Well I can tell my loyal readers that I am going to The Royal Darwin Show tomorrow 

The bearded lady has arranged a VIP pass for me

[Moonshadow 17,676]

5 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Well I can tell my loyal readers that I am going to The Royal Darwin Show tomorrow 

The bearded lady has arranged a VIP pass for me

How did Mrs Bitters get you that? Lucky duck.

[olisik 4,060]

Seems like GC going to get Darwin as Academy Zone despite never having played a game there. Talk about giving these trash teams a leg up at our expense 

[—coach— 3,496]

7 hours ago, rjay said:

Not sure on this but maybe someone can confirm.

With the current zones that have been put in place by the AFL Darwin is currently not zoned to any club.

A lot of the big clubs are wrangling for it, for obvious reasons.

I would think we would/should be negotiating it as part of our future agreement.

We are the club putting in the effort so we should get some tangible benefit for doing the work.

Agree with you but won’t happen. Remember women’s footy? Dogs and us invested in it for years before the AFL got on board and in the process we got bent over big time.

[Diamond_Jim 12,598]

49 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

I do not have figures, neither do you I assume. Didn't say i did.

But the share of broadcast money shows that all clubs get a handout from the AFL, as I said. 

come off it.

The clubs pool the Tv coverage to sell the rights. If they didn't the power clubs would make a fortune

The clubs receiving supps are well publicised. I'll get them and give them to you.

IIRC we are on the cusp as are Saints, Bulldogs and North. Clubs getting bigger amounts are the Suns, Brisbane and GWS. Freo may also be on the drip

Edited July 24, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Moonshadow 17,676]

45 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

come off it.

The clubs pool the Tv coverage to sell the rights. If they didn't the power clubs would make a fortune

The clubs receiving supps are well publicised. I'll get them and give them to you.

IIRC we are on the cusp as are Saints, Bulldogs and North. Clubs getting bigger amounts are the Suns, Brisbane and GWS. Freo may also be on the drip

FMD. Do you argue with every poster? 

One more time just for you:

I asked how we compared to other clubs and stated that all clubs get money hand outs from the AFL.

What part of that is worth arguing with?

Ffs, leave it be

[whatwhat say what 22,783]

5 hours ago, Trentlindsay said:

Johnny Walker is our short sponsor.  NT Tourism hasn't been on our attire for the last 2 seasons

ah, that's right - nt govt switched to 'media partner'

[John Demonic 5,816]

Loved the Alice game. Play 2 up there!

Edited July 24, 2019 by John Demonic

[Supermercado 2,797]

11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Time to leave.......the NT

It really does nothing for us.

Last year the club made an operating profit of $506,276 and the NT games bring in a minimum $1,000,000. We are big time on the teat of this deal and are lucky the conditions aren't there for any more games or we'd end up like North and Hawthorn and selling 3/4 games a year up there to make quick cash.

It's in a small part paying for increased footy department spend, increased salary cap, for us to take over Casey, dumping the pokies at the Bentleigh Club, fielding a women's team, losing annual Queen's Birthday hosting and probably sack a coach in 12 months.

I don't want to play there but the reality is we're a consistently poor club that has relied on charity three times in 20 years to avoid falling into total financial disrepair. I don't think another Victorian club will jump in on this because all the other minnows are selling games somewhere else, and now that Channel 7 has their hooks into the Alice Springs games they're going to want a Victorian club hosting, but if the NT/AFL/whoever did the dirty on us and we lost this revenue stream it would be a disaster.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Supermercado

[BAMF 4,357]

18 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

PJ always seemed keen on it, both as an income generator and from a community interaction point of view, so I wonder if Pert will take the same approach (particularly given our exit from pokies).

I heard a pregame interview with PJ on triple M a number of years ago where this was discussed.

PJ said that we were not interested in playing in China as we thought the travel would be a negative impact on the players recovery and preparation. Now that the club was doing better off the field, the admin would do everything they could to give the players the best opportunity to win a flag and that meant knocking back opportunities like China especially as we already had the NT deal in place.

PJ said that the NT deal was needed at the time for us to balance the books and he went into some details about how much the deal was worth financially to the club. Which was a lot.

He advised that the Alice Springs game was ok as it's a much shorter trip. Temperature and humidity are usually fine, but the Darwin game was taxing on players and now that we were doing better as a club we would look at stopping the partnership to give the players the best opportunity to win a flag.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, BAMF said:

I heard a pregame interview with PJ on triple M a number of years ago where this was discussed.

PJ said that we were not interested in playing in China as we thought the travel would be a negative impact on the players recovery and preparation. Now that the club was doing better off the field, the admin would do everything they could to give the players the best opportunity to win a flag and that meant knocking back opportunities like China especially as we already had the NT deal in place.

PJ said that the NT deal was needed at the time for us to balance the books and he went into some details about how much the deal was worth financially to the club. Which was a lot.

He advised that the Alice Springs game was ok as it's a much shorter trip. Temperature and humidity are usually fine, but the Darwin game was taxing on players and now that we were doing better as a club we would look at stopping the partnership to give the players the best opportunity to win a flag.

“We at the Melbourne Football Club looked around and said ‘how good is playing a game of elite sport with a backdrop like this, which is the heart and soul of Australian history and heritage’, so we pushed a bit harder.”

“Apart from it being a unique game in a unique setting, the whole purpose now is to give something back to the Aboriginal community around Alice Springs on the back of AFL football,” he said.

“We understand our commitment and responsibility to give back, and this game will give us the opportunity to really make a difference.”

Jackson: it’s an absolute privilege

 

“We are extremely proud of this partnership, which is now in its seventh year,” Jackson said. “We see it as an important partnership for the whole of club, both on and off the field." “With the launch of the AFL Next Generation Academies earlier this year, we see our club aligned to the Alice Springs region."

“Our alignment is deeper than playing matches in the Territory for premiership points; the Next Generation Academy will enable us to be actively involved in introducing children of all backgrounds to the game and provide aspirational pathways for players, coaches, umpires and administrators."

Melbourne extends NT partnership

 

He also said the Demons needed to take commercial considerations into account as they transitioned out of gaming, but effectively ruled out Melbourne playing in China, with the Suns set to stop playing in that game.

Demons want bye after Darwin game

 

 

 

[whatwhat say what 22,783]

5 hours ago, Supermercado said:

I don't want to play there but the reality is we're a consistently poor club that has relied on charity three times in 20 years to avoid falling into total financial disrepair. I don't think another Victorian club will jump in on this because all the other minnows are selling games somewhere else, and now that Channel 7 has their hooks into the Alice Springs games they're going to want a Victorian club hosting, but if the NT/AFL/whoever did the dirty on us and we lost this revenue stream it would be a disaster.

This

Unfortunately as a poor club we are beholden to grasping on to whatever scraps we can get

Ultimately we need the NT deal more than the AFL / NT / whatever needs us to have it

[BAMF 4,357]

12 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

“We at the Melbourne Football Club looked around and said ‘how good is playing a game of elite sport with a backdrop like this, which is the heart and soul of Australian history and heritage’, so we pushed a bit harder.”

“Apart from it being a unique game in a unique setting, the whole purpose now is to give something back to the Aboriginal community around Alice Springs on the back of AFL football,” he said.

“We understand our commitment and responsibility to give back, and this game will give us the opportunity to really make a difference.”

Jackson: it’s an absolute privilege

 

“We are extremely proud of this partnership, which is now in its seventh year,” Jackson said. “We see it as an important partnership for the whole of club, both on and off the field." “With the launch of the AFL Next Generation Academies earlier this year, we see our club aligned to the Alice Springs region."

“Our alignment is deeper than playing matches in the Territory for premiership points; the Next Generation Academy will enable us to be actively involved in introducing children of all backgrounds to the game and provide aspirational pathways for players, coaches, umpires and administrators."

Melbourne extends NT partnership

 

He also said the Demons needed to take commercial considerations into account as they transitioned out of gaming, but effectively ruled out Melbourne playing in China, with the Suns set to stop playing in that game.

Demons want bye after Darwin game

 

 

 

These articles were after the interview I heard.

Clearly we need the cash still.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

5 minutes ago, BAMF said:

These articles were after the interview I heard.

Clearly we need the cash still.

Yeah for sure, especially since exiting pokies. That's part of what I wanted to show there, but also I wanted to show how invested PJ seemed in the connections we've built with the NT, the community and the programs we've instigated there.

[beelzebub 23,380]

Clearly people (some) don't get victim mentality.  

We act like centrelink recipienta. Its embarrasing.

Clever business peo pl e find ways.

We obviously  arent as clever as some

[Supermercado 2,797]

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Clever business peo pl e find ways

What a ridiculous statement. Absolutely delusional about where the club stands in the pecking order of an overcrowded market.

[beelzebub 23,380]

2 hours ago, Supermercado said:

What a ridiculous statement. Absolutely delusional about where the club stands in the pecking order of an overcrowded market.

Its not actually.  Business  is business. We're  no different.  Those that remain consolitary to their lot wither. 

When has this club ever been particularly  entrepreneurial ??

Oh woe is us...its a competitive  market ..woe woe. I have news. It always has been. ..always will be. .

I have no illusions about where we are and why.  We seem a business over bloated in some departments, poorly able in others and currently  back on the bottom which  always entices people and money ( not ) 

Our core business  is football. If we arent any good at that everything  else become 2x 3x Yx harder.

Ive not only embraced where we sre in the pecking order...i get it. What your good self and others dont get is capable business  finds a way..or dies. Which do you prefer. And before you trot out...but our way is whoring our games to the NT consider what that actually  accomplishes for iur core business ? Nothing...and i defy anyone to prove otherwise.  ....not lovey dovey motherhood statements etc...but how it actually  betters our football  results. 

We need to be far cleverer. Taking the "easy money"  is short sighted. Whilst i dont particularly  like pokies it was foolish to truncate that scheme before you have its replacement  on stream. Bit like shutting down power stations too early. Sounds marvelous  to the ignorant...but in reality  you're  shooting  yourself  in the feet.

For a club with supposed  blue chip connections ive never really understood  why we wallow. 

Again we need to be far cleverer  and lateral than we are. And for the very reason you seek to deride...because it IS hard out there.  

You know the Billy Ocean lyrics im sure...

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

9 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

You know the Billy Ocean lyrics im sure...

“Hey hey, you you, Get out of my dreams and get into my car?”

postscript:

I presume as the oracle of business acumen that you present yourself as, you have some strategies that you can put forward, rather than making broad statements about the personnel at the clubs ineptitude? Please post below sir.

[beelzebub 23,380]

17 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

“Hey hey, you you, Get out of my dreams and get into my car?”

postscript:

I presume as the oracle of business acumen that you present yourself as, you have some strategies that you can put forward, rather than making broad statements about the personnel at the clubs ineptitude? Please post below sir.

It's not my business.  People are actually  employed to do this. I'm no oracle as you say...but i managed to remain relevant in a number of careers and don't have any non returning debt. ( thats means borrowed money is making money ),  when it stops 'returning' I dump it.. I have property and about to realise potential  on another block. 

What this says is I've kept my head above the gurgly stuff. I'm not that special and have limited resources to bring to bear. The club has any number of both employed "professionals" as well as you'd  have to think an extended family of movers and shakers among coterie groups. And yet we still look wonderously at the Kakadu Koin .

My strategy....maybe get better people.

Edited July 25, 2019 by beelzebub

[BAMF 4,357]

12 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah for sure, especially since exiting pokies. That's part of what I wanted to show there, but also I wanted to show how invested PJ seemed in the connections we've built with the NT, the community and the programs we've instigated there.

To be honest. I think we need the cash and every other commentary is just spin.

Saying that we are invested in the community sounds a lot better than 'we're just here for the cash'.