On 07/07/2019 at 06:55, Moonshadow said:

That much is clear.

oh really.....so please give me some evidence that he hasn't been in our bottom 6 for the last 5 games......& others are not given the same latitude that Goodwin affords him?

please go for it.....

 

  On 07/07/2019 at 07:10, RedButMostlyBlue said:

I am seeing lots of positive references to JKH today (ie we should bring him back in)...

Serious question, and I'm happy for you to change my mind. Have any of you watched any of the other games he played for the seniors after he was promoted, after showing good form in the seconds? In each instance, he's been poor. Lack of basic skills, and brings nothing unique to the team. Proof? He keeps getting dropped back to the seconds, where he then proceeds to 'shine' amongst the lesser types. When do we come to the realisation that something won't work? Bringing him back after we forget he's not that good (or at least not good enough for the seniors) won't solve any of our problems. Lockhart, however, has shown something. Not perfect, but his best has been far more interesting and exciting than anything JKH has ever shown while playing in the seniors.

Agree with u Red. JKH is like a deer and struggles 2 kick more than 30m. I've seen him fluff so many gettable goals & opportunities over the years. He's been on the list for more than 5 years & played 30 odd games. He is not quick & shirks contact. Gets beaten one on one 2 easily. Trade 2 Carlton.

  On 07/07/2019 at 07:28, stevethemanjordan said:

The only thing I'm certain of is that we're the weirdest team in the AFL.

By a mile.

 

  On 07/07/2019 at 06:17, Dame Gaga said:

Carlton supporters live in the past. They were spoiled by ill gotten successes and feel entitled. They can't understand why they are not super successful again. Just like Essendon supporters, they blame the AFL for punishing them unjustly, even though they were caught red handed. Whingers of the finest order. 

Thank god we don't support a team that dines out on past glories hey?

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:12, Moonshadow said:

 

That looks a lot like the Carlton fans I know

  On 07/07/2019 at 06:20, Sigil said:

There is still something to work with here.

We played much better tempo footy today and honestly should have been nearly ten goals up at one stage.

But there is still a messaging and confidence problem, always looking to pass off what should be easy kicks and then shanking them when we do finally take a decent shot and you can almost feel the terror emanating from the player.

Look at Trac, when it's instinct, he's great.

The instant he thinks, blurgh.

If Weideman, Petracca and TMac convert their simple set shots we are up by 10 goals at 3/4 time. And that's without even taking into account all the other rubbish we see every week (terrible forward 50 entries, terrible forward play etc)

I haven't seen the game, but I don't need to have seen it to have known this would be how this thread would go.

This was a lose-lose game for us.

A thrashing would have resulted in "where has that been all year" and/or "it was only Carlton less Cripps/Curnow/Mackay/Docherty".

A comeback would have been "we were lucky" or "they stopped" or "it was only Carlton less Cripps/Curnow/Mackay/Docherty".

A loss would have been, well, obvious.

Reality is we were a side without Gawn, Lever, Melksham, Jetta, down to one player on the bench (including Fritsch who was dominating until injured, and TMac, also dominating until injured) up against a side in their season-best form, coming off a win in Perth without any of the aforementioned missing players, having three times this year taken the lead after being 6 goals down.

I'm certain we made horrendous mistakes like we've been seeing all year, and I'm confident based on the statistical dominance and how 2019 has gone so far that we should have been far more than 30 points up at three quarter time, but is it really any surprise that they fought back in the last given the above? 

I'm far more interested in seeing TMac come back to form (the injury is just awful news), our midfield stand up despite no Gawn, Preuss do his role well, and the defence settle despite losing Hore early.

I'm looking forward to watching the replay, errors and all, because FFS we've only won 5 games this year so at least enjoy the ones we get when we get them.

Our inaccuracy in the first was woeful.  Honestly we kept them in the game.

The whole thing was over-umpired.  Stupid things both ways were paid, and it interrupted the potential for a contest.

TMAc showed a real desire today, to get to the contest ad get involved.  Shame he was injured.

Preuss did well, but needs a rover at his feet at every contest.

Dunkley did well for a first outing.

We ran out of puff, and failed to protect our lead with smart football.  Glad we scraped home.

Lever in for Hore, perhaps keep Preuss and bring back Max if he is ready for TMac.

Are Carlton supporters the only flogs that wear white jeans to the footy?

  On 07/07/2019 at 05:55, layzie said:

What a shmoz 

If @Supermercado is reading that was a win by DQ.

Still going to the pay window...

 

 

hurry up and go away forever season 2019

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:19, buck_nekkid said:

 

Are Carlton supporters the only flogs that wear white jeans to the footy?

BBO wears tight height faberges. Does that count?

Statically we are the worst team in the history of champion data for conversation inside 50s. What a season! 

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:19, buck_nekkid said:

 

Are Carlton supporters the only flogs that wear white jeans to the footy?

The Carlton w@nker sitting next to me today pleaded with the umpires and then argued with everyone around us that when the ball stopped on the goal line and the 2 players dived at the ball that it had to be kicking in danger against whoever our player was as he went with his foot and the blues player went with his hand

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:15, Dr. Gonzo said:

Thank god we don't support a team that dines out on past glories hey?

I really can't "connect" with so called past glories, because I never experienced them. My lasting memory is sitting behind the Hawthorn cheer squad in the 1987 prelim at Waverley. I've suffered from PTSD ever since.

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:31, Jaded said:

Statically we are the worst team in the history of champion data for conversation inside 50s. What a season! 

They shouldn't be talking about it. They should be trying to kick a goal!

(Autocorrect??)?

Edited July 7, 20195 yr by Dame Gaga
Not making fun of mistakes.

what annoyed me the most was the inability of some of our players to move the ball on quickly. in the last 2 minutes before half time when we were doing well we kicked the ball sideways and ended up losing it over the line from our own poor disposal instead of attacking. the defensive approach shows a lack of confidence in their own team mates going forward.

  On 07/07/2019 at 06:25, Lord Travis said:

A match against Carlton without Cripps, Curnow and McKay is probably biggest gift in footy and we still nearly squandered it. I’m relieved and disgusted at the same time. Happy we got the win with 3 down on the bench, but jeez we should’ve been up by 10 goals at 3 qtr time anyway!

They beat freo last week with those players out. I guess that's something.

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:44, Dr. Gonzo said:

They beat freo last week with those players out. I guess that's something.

They have a better list than people think. If they had this coach earlier in the year they would have won more games. They will win a GF before us. 

  On 07/07/2019 at 07:29, —coach— said:

Super pleased to hear Goodwin say that we are not far away from playing both Gawn and Preuss together in his post match interview.

Wow....wow....what a concept...

I take it all back...our coach is a genius

We're a really good team...we are

Can't  wait to see what gems we come up with...

Folks..we fell in against a depleted Carlton...and only just

MEH

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:10, loges said:

They're paid to know.

And he's paid to play. Needs to focus on that more.

 

  On 07/07/2019 at 07:36, Dee Zephyr said:

Was there really 55.5k in attendance? It was loud on the telly, how was it at the ground?

38k Blues 17k Demons

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:19, buck_nekkid said:

Are Carlton supporters the only flogs that wear white jeans to the footy?

Haha love it! We need a thread dedicated to these non-sequiters

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:50, old dee said:

They have a better list than people think. If they had this coach earlier in the year they would have won more games. They will win a GF before us. 

I agree they do have a better list than given credit for. But they will not win a flag with this list you can take that to the bank. Carlton are two decades into 5 decades of misery. Well that's my hope anyway.

  On 07/07/2019 at 08:53, Lord Nev said:

And he's paid to play. Needs to focus on that more.

 

Reckon he doesn't go too bad.

  On 07/07/2019 at 09:10, loges said:

Reckon he doesn't go too bad.

Yeah I love him mate, would just like to see a few of our blokes focus less on the umpires, many of them stop in-play to complain or appeal, it's a bit soft for mine.