4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Please post your full phantom draft, preferably up to at least pick 60, by the weekend. Might be great to CC it to Jason Taylor too, because clearly your credentials are imposing for him and he'll take notice.

I'll then look forward to waiting 3-4 years before we all utterly pull up apart your selections.

Cheers.

 

LordNev - as I’ve said to @Moonshadow and a couple of others, if you can come up with $200k/p.a and have JT sit out of the job for three years I will halt what I’m currently doing and give it a red hot crack. Until that can be arranged I’ll continue to critique from the terraces like any keen observer. 

You make it sound as though I think our recruiting team gets every decision wrong. Not the case at all. I just don’t feel we get enough right.

35 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

LordNev - as I’ve said to @Moonshadow and a couple of others, if you can come up with $200k/p.a and have JT sit out of the job for three years I will halt what I’m currently doing and give it a red hot crack. Until that can be arranged I’ll continue to critique from the terraces like any keen observer. 

You make it sound as though I think our recruiting team gets every decision wrong. Not the case at all. I just don’t feel we get enough right.

The point is though, you're happy to be Captain Hindsight and pot decisions made by professionals, yet you're seemingly too scared to actually put forth your opinions based on future predictions. If you're not already in a recruitment role, despite apparently wanting the income, I'm not sure why you feel the need to continually bash decisions made by far more qualified people.

I honestly would be really keen to hear your thoughts on whom we should draft this year. You seem to be really into it, and I've not followed the draft that closely the last couple of years.

 

Nice to see some balanced and thoughtful posts on a thread about OMac. Refreshing. 

42 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

LordNev - as I’ve said to @Moonshadow and a couple of others, if you can come up with $200k/p.a and have JT sit out of the job for three years I will halt what I’m currently doing and give it a red hot crack. Until that can be arranged I’ll continue to critique from the terraces like any keen observer. 

I'd really prefer if you didn't. I'm not prepared for another 20 years in the bottom 4. I'm happy with JT's list having 1 blip on the radar of their otherwise consistent rise up the ladder

10 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Someone better. Drafting a guy because he’s tall and his brother is good seems like an underwhelming set of criteria to recruit players by. And now five years into it he’s being put on a three week weights program to ‘bulk up’? C’mon let’s get real. 

Freo took Ed Langdon with the very next pick (54) by the way.

Here is the top ten draft picks that year - how many would you class as a success?

With your "'excellent'" use of hindsight, you probably had De Goey as number one back in 2014

As Melbourne supporters well know, getting it right is very difficult for a huge number of reasons

1	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
1	2	Christian Petracca	Melbourne	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
1	3	Angus Brayshaw	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup	Free agency compensation pick (Frawley)
1	4	Jarrod Pickett	Greater Western Sydney	South Fremantle	WAFL
1	5	Jordan De Goey	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Traded from Brisbane Lions
1	6	Caleb Marchbank	Greater Western Sydney	Murray Bushrangers	TAC Cup	Traded from Western Bulldogs
1	7	Paul Ahern	Greater Western Sydney	Calder Cannons	TAC Cup	Traded from Carlton
1	8	Peter Wright	Gold Coast	Calder Cannons	TAC Cup
1	9	Darcy Moore	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Father–son rule selection – son of Peter Moore
1	10	Nakia Cockatoo

Collingwood did very well ^

2 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Collingwood did very well ^

And so did we

1 minute ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Collingwood did very well ^

GWS not so well.

And you have to feel for both the Saints and of course even more so for Paddy McMartin.

43 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The point is though, you're happy to be Captain Hindsight and pot decisions made by professionals, yet you're seemingly too scared to actually put forth your opinions based on future predictions. If you're not already in a recruitment role, despite apparently wanting the income, I'm not sure why you feel the need to continually bash decisions made by far more qualified people.

I honestly would be really keen to hear your thoughts on whom we should draft this year. You seem to be really into it, and I've not followed the draft that closely the last couple of years.

 

It’s time consuming and tedious to keep responding to this type of reply. You miss the ‘point’ and I’m not ‘scared’ of anything. I looked at the available data re Taylor’s post-R1 recruiting from 2013-2017 and formed an opinion on it based on that. It was not based on reviewing one year or one particular selection analysed in isolation. I’m not here to thoughtlessly pat people on the back at every opportunity but to praise, critique and if necessary apportion blame according to things as I see them. I’m interested in the success of the MFC and accountability for those in positions of power running it. Nothing more, nothing less. Please look that last italicised word up. It’s an important consideration that some posters aren’t always ready to acknowledge.

Who should we draft this year? Well I’m not even sure we should draft kids in the first two rounds given our mandate to play finals in 2020.  But if we do I’ll leave it to the paid experts to get it right. That’s all you can do as supporter is it not? That and opine on footy forums and such.

2 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

It’s time consuming and tedious to keep responding to this type of reply. You miss the ‘point’ and I’m not ‘scared’ of anything. I looked at the available data re Taylor’s post-R1 recruiting from 2013-2017 and formed an opinion on it based on that. It was not based on reviewing one year or one particular selection analysed in isolation. I’m not here to thoughtlessly pat people on the back at every opportunity but to praise, critique and if necessary apportion blame according to things as I see them. I’m interested in the success of the MFC and accountability for those in positions of power running it. Nothing more, nothing less. Please look that last italicised word up. It’s an important consideration that some posters aren’t always ready to acknowledge.

Who should we draft this year? Well I’m not even sure we should draft kids in the first two rounds given our mandate to play finals in 2020.  But if we do I’ll leave it to the paid experts to get it right. That’s all you can do as supporter is it not? That and opine on footy forums and such.

Yes, it is tedious indeed. I hope this is a bit of a full stop to the barrage of posts about the matter then. Perhaps we can get onto being constructive about it? (Hence my question about this year's draftees).

I'll look forward to your 2019 phantom draft in 2020 then. Cheers.

 

ND Pick 51-70 average career games = 48.3

https://www.draftguru.com.au/analysis/pick-value-comparison

1 hour ago, Fatmanblues883 said:

Here is the top ten draft picks that year - how many would you class as a success?

With your "'excellent'" use of hindsight, you probably had De Goey as number one back in 2014

As Melbourne supporters well know, getting it right is very difficult for a huge number of reasons

1	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
1	2	Christian Petracca	Melbourne	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
1	3	Angus Brayshaw	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup	Free agency compensation pick (Frawley)
1	4	Jarrod Pickett	Greater Western Sydney	South Fremantle	WAFL
1	5	Jordan De Goey	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Traded from Brisbane Lions
1	6	Caleb Marchbank	Greater Western Sydney	Murray Bushrangers	TAC Cup	Traded from Western Bulldogs
1	7	Paul Ahern	Greater Western Sydney	Calder Cannons	TAC Cup	Traded from Carlton
1	8	Peter Wright	Gold Coast	Calder Cannons	TAC Cup
1	9	Darcy Moore	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Father–son rule selection – son of Peter Moore
1	10	Nakia Cockatoo

Looks like we got 2 of the best 3, so pretty good I would have thought.

12 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Someone better. Drafting a guy because he’s tall and his brother is good seems like an underwhelming set of criteria to recruit players by. And now five years into it he’s being put on a three week weights program to ‘bulk up’? C’mon let’s get real. 

Freo took Ed Langdon with the very next pick (54) by the way.

Fake news.

2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

LordNev - as I’ve said to @Moonshadow and a couple of others, if you can come up with $200k/p.a and have JT sit out of the job for three years I will halt what I’m currently doing and give it a red hot crack. Until that can be arranged I’ll continue to critique from the terraces like any keen observer. 

You make it sound as though I think our recruiting team gets every decision wrong. Not the case at all. I just don’t feel we get enough right.

Both a cop-out and narsascistic at the same time. Well done!

1 hour ago, Fatmanblues883 said:

Here is the top ten draft picks that year - how many would you class as a success?

With your "'excellent'" use of hindsight, you probably had De Goey as number one back in 2014

As Melbourne supporters well know, getting it right is very difficult for a huge number of reasons

1	Paddy McCartin	St Kilda	Geelong Falcons	TAC Cup
1	2	Christian Petracca	Melbourne	Eastern Ranges	TAC Cup
1	3	Angus Brayshaw	Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	TAC Cup	Free agency compensation pick (Frawley)
1	4	Jarrod Pickett	Greater Western Sydney	South Fremantle	WAFL
1	5	Jordan De Goey	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Traded from Brisbane Lions
1	6	Caleb Marchbank	Greater Western Sydney	Murray Bushrangers	TAC Cup	Traded from Western Bulldogs
1	7	Paul Ahern	Greater Western Sydney	Calder Cannons	TAC Cup	Traded from Carlton
1	8	Peter Wright	Gold Coast	Calder Cannons	TAC Cup
1	9	Darcy Moore	Collingwood	Oakleigh Chargers	TAC Cup	Father–son rule selection – son of Peter Moore
1	10	Nakia Cockatoo

If you’ve read my posts about Taylor’s recruiting you would know that my criticisms fall on his post-R1 recruiting. Most clubs have the top 10-20 very similarly configured heading into each draft. It’s picks 20 - 60 and rookie draft where the seriously keen eyed scouts earn their pay packets. 

That said, Weid (9) over Curnow (11) in 2015 was an incredible balls up by Taylor. Following in a long tradition of intermittent MFC stuff ups at the pointy end. 2007 Morton/Dangerfield&Rioli, 2008 Watts/Naitanui, 2009 Scullgove/Dusty and Gysberts/Talia, 2010 Cook/Darling, 2012 Toumpas/Wines, 2013 Josh Kelly trade, 2014. Etc etc.

50 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

If you’ve read my posts about Taylor’s recruiting you would know that my criticisms fall on his post-R1 recruiting. Most clubs have the top 10-20 very similarly configured heading into each draft. It’s picks 20 - 60 and rookie draft where the seriously keen eyed scouts earn their pay packets. 

That said, Weid (9) over Curnow (11) in 2015 was an incredible balls up by Taylor. Following in a long tradition of intermittent MFC stuff ups at the pointy end. 2007 Morton/Dangerfield&Rioli, 2008 Watts/Naitanui, 2009 Scullgove/Dusty and Gysberts/Talia, 2010 Cook/Darling, 2012 Toumpas/Wines, 2013 Josh Kelly trade, 2014. Etc etc.

Or the selection of an overweight country kid who couldn’t even get a guernsey for the Nationals Champs at pick 4. 

2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Or the selection of an overweight country kid who couldn’t even get a guernsey for the Nationals Champs at pick 4. 

Definitely one in the plus column.

The angst towards Omac is ridiculous. 

I am happy the club is investing time trying to help him recapture form. 

 

On 6/23/2019 at 9:01 PM, binman said:

Omac has a contract for 2020. Not going  anywhere. He will be back in the ones soon enough.

No he wont, for the many reasons already stated on this site!!

5 minutes ago, picket fence said:

No he wont, for the many reasons already stated on this site!!

Demonland does not have a good strike rate for predicting contract renewals.  

There wouldn’t be a single player on our list who hasn’t been a ‘delist’ or ‘trade for zero or nearest offer’

5 hours ago, Webber said:

To state the obvious, this is an unpopular opinion on here, but I think Oscar is a more naturally talented ball player than his brother. He’s also subject to the same slumps of confidence, and we’ve seen what that’s done to Tom this season. People forget very quickly that for most of last year, he was one of the first ten players picked each week, based on form, and we played in a prelim. Finals-experienced 23 year olds having form slumps don’t just get tossed aside. Yes, he could be bigger and stronger, but that can be worked on. I don’t doubt he will be groomed as a key forward over the next couple of years. Thankfully the club has a more logical perspective than Demonland,  exceptions granted. 

Well said, I am really glad the Club are taking this line with developing young players. Shows a bit more foresight than some people.

17 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

It won’t matter how big or small they make his physique, he doesn’t have the agility and athleticism necessary to succeed at this level. He is a VFL or A grade amateur footballer. There is no shame in that. Everybody needs to accept it and move on. 

Oscar for me is Exhibit A on why you should never just automatically draft one of your better player’s brothers. He was never going to make it as an AFL key defender with his obvious limitations. Waste of a draft pick.

Do you know that he was drafted because he was Tom's bro?   Were you told that by someone in our recruiting department?  Or perhaps at the time he appeared to be the next best pick?

17 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Imagine constantly potting a player for not developing, building his strength, having good form, and then an article comes out explaining he's been doing those very things midseason, in a club infamous for poor development no less, and you take the opportunity to pot him yet again (on the internet).

Our supporter culture is often as toxic as the club culture that's been worked on so hard.

 

Never let the facts spoil a good put down Nev.

IMO kudos on the club for trying something completely different.

17 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Good idea I think, I’m sure as much about mental strength and resilience as physical capabilities 

Actually I think he has shown great mental strength surviving all the excrement that some here seem to enjoy piling upon him (if he reads it, or hears about it).

Edited June 25, 20195 yr by monoccular

42 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Actually I think he has shown great mental strength surviving all the excrement that some here seem to enjoy piling upon him (if he reads it, or hears about it).

How does not rating a player become delight in saying so? I’ve never understood this perception by posters such as yourself. Where do you pull that conclusion from? I can’t speak for others but I never feel that way when negatively critiquing a player.

So why do you write it? Please explain.

10 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

How does not rating a player become delight in saying so? I’ve never understood this perception by posters such as yourself. Where do you pull that conclusion from? I can’t speak for others but I never feel that way when negatively critiquing a player.

So why do you write it? Please explain.

Can we move the 'forensic analysis' of personal philosophies of online forum etiquette  to another thread please?

Edited June 25, 20195 yr by Engorged Onion

Oscar Mac back at Casey this week.