On 08/08/2019 at 04:35, DubDee said:

How can our salary cap be stretched when we have 2 imports and Gawn on big money. we also lost hogan. 

we should have a lot of room to spare.  god knows most players negotiating a new contract this year wont be getting more money based on 2019 performance

Could very well be because both Brayshaw and TMac signed new contracts last year when both were having (coincidentally) the best seasons of their careers. This could well have been a factor in us not being able to lure Gaff over in the end either.

So May and Hogan probably just interchanged salaries, but then you add on the TMac and Brayshaw increases and voila, instant cap squeeze.

Just Saw Jon Ralph on twitter ( in know, i hate myself for even typing the name) mention that why not have a go at Issac Smith and  Keep pick 2? arguably get Smith cheap, add him and Langdon and w get to keep pick 2. I think Isaac smith has a couple years in him? and have no doubt that in the Hawthorn way he will be out the door as they look to turn their list over and get younger players in.

Thoughts?

  On 08/08/2019 at 05:34, Demon3 said:

Just Saw Jon Ralph on twitter ( in know, i hate myself for even typing the name) mention that why not have a go at Issac Smith and  Keep pick 2? arguably get Smith cheap, add him and Langdon and w get to keep pick 2. I think Isaac smith has a couple years in him? and have no doubt that in the Hawthorn way he will be out the door as they look to turn their list over and get younger players in.

Thoughts?

Would be 31 before next season starts, so it would be a no from me as much as I like him as a player. That would have changed had we made a prelim again, or possibly even just finals, but we potentially need to brace for us not rocketing straight back up next year.

I agree LN, i really like him as a player and i still think he has what we need, NO doubt his age of 31 is probably the defining factor and as you say, its not like we are in the window right now and every chance not in the window either next year.

Edited August 8, 20195 yr by Demon3

  On 08/08/2019 at 05:34, Demon3 said:

Just Saw Jon Ralph on twitter ( in know, i hate myself for even typing the name) mention that why not have a go at Issac Smith and  Keep pick 2? arguably get Smith cheap, add him and Langdon and w get to keep pick 2. I think Isaac smith has a couple years in him? and have no doubt that in the Hawthorn way he will be out the door as they look to turn their list over and get younger players in.

Thoughts?

Looks to me like he's lost a yard of pace or hard running, the Hawks have used him at half back a fair bit this year and he's kicking more end on end floaters than ever.

If we want a pure outside runner we'd be better off looking at Brandon Ellis who has some flaws but as a free agent in his prime could do the job. 

There's plenty of other alternatives as well. Whatever we do we shouldn't involve pick 2 or go after a 31 year old.

  On 08/08/2019 at 05:51, DeeSpencer said:

Looks to me like he's lost a yard of pace or hard running, the Hawks have used him at half back a fair bit this year and he's kicking more end on end floaters than ever.

If we want a pure outside runner we'd be better off looking at Brandon Ellis who has some flaws but as a free agent in his prime could do the job. 

There's plenty of other alternatives as well. Whatever we do we shouldn't involve pick 2 or go after a 31 year old.

Thanks DeeSpencer,  good intel, i haven't probably watched a lot of Smith this year, probably still thinking of the player of a couple years ago.

Not sure re: Ellis to be honest, i see him as a solid player who often lets himself down, so would fit in when you think about it!

  On 08/08/2019 at 05:26, Lord Nev said:

Could very well be because both Brayshaw and TMac signed new contracts last year when both were having (coincidentally) the best seasons of their careers. This could well have been a factor in us not being able to lure Gaff over in the end either.

So May and Hogan probably just interchanged salaries, but then you add on the TMac and Brayshaw increases and voila, instant cap squeeze.

good point but I reckon having 4-5 players on good money we should be able to absorb that and not feel the squeeze.  20 blokes on our list should be on very average coin.  I reckon there is money to spend.  Lewis retiring and Jones getting less too

  On 08/08/2019 at 06:30, DubDee said:

good point but I reckon having 4-5 players on good money we should be able to absorb that and not feel the squeeze.  20 blokes on our list should be on very average coin.  I reckon there is money to spend.  Lewis retiring and Jones getting less too

Yeah, but with Jones and Lewis undecided about next year, Frost possibly due for a payrise should he re-sign and the minimum spend in the cap, it would be pretty tight maneuvering. The increases for TMac and Gus potentially could have made a 200-300k difference in total too.

  On 08/08/2019 at 05:26, Lord Nev said:

Could very well be because both Brayshaw and TMac signed new contracts last year when both were having (coincidentally) the best seasons of their careers. This could well have been a factor in us not being able to lure Gaff over in the end either.

So May and Hogan probably just interchanged salaries, but then you add on the TMac and Brayshaw increases and voila, instant cap squeeze.

Good points LN. Worth noting we traded Tyson and Kent, who perhaps would've been on $250-350k each. 

Edited August 8, 20195 yr by Moonshadow

  On 07/08/2019 at 19:12, Matt Demon said:

St Kilda could offer him a lot more cash, our salary cap is getting stretched. 

 

we have plenty of room to spend , on hill and others 

 

  On 08/08/2019 at 08:02, markc said:

we have plenty of room to spend , on hill and others 

 

Based on what? 

  On 08/08/2019 at 08:26, dazzledavey36 said:

Based on what? 

what has been said by the club , saying we have room to chase another A grader 

  On 08/08/2019 at 04:35, DubDee said:

How can our salary cap be stretched when we have 2 imports and Gawn on big money. we also lost hogan. 

we should have a lot of room to spare.  god knows most players negotiating a new contract this year wont be getting more money based on 2019 performance

Gawn

Brayshaw

Oliver

Lever

May

T Mac 

all these players would be on very good money.

I dare say Lewis gone and Jones coming off a big contract will help us though.  

  On 08/08/2019 at 05:51, DeeSpencer said:

Looks to me like he's lost a yard of pace or hard running, the Hawks have used him at half back a fair bit this year and he's kicking more end on end floaters than ever.

If we want a pure outside runner we'd be better off looking at Brandon Ellis who has some flaws but as a free agent in his prime could do the job. 

There's plenty of other alternatives as well. Whatever we do we shouldn't involve pick 2 or go after a 31 year old.

Agree. Let’s not do what Melbourne always does through history and pick up players past their best. Or pick up players with a history of injuries. 

Left the Hawks on good terms. Strong connections there still. We would need to pay over the odds for him to have any interest,  

  On 08/08/2019 at 09:15, Demons11 said:

Gawn

Brayshaw

Oliver

Lever

May

T Mac 

all these players would be on very good money.

I dare say Lewis gone and Jones coming off a big contract will help us though.  

true, but compare the amount of players at the top teams (GWS, Pies, Tigers, WC etc) that would be on very good money and we still should have plenty to spend.  unless we've overpaid the 6 above

  On 08/08/2019 at 10:49, DubDee said:

true, but compare the amount of players at the top teams (GWS, Pies, Tigers, WC etc) that would be on very good money and we still should have plenty to spend.  unless we've overpaid the 6 above

We would be paying overs for  Viney I imagine.

  On 08/08/2019 at 10:41, Sorry kids said:

Left the Hawks on good terms. Strong connections there still. We would need to pay over the odds for him to have any interest,  

I don’t think Freo will deal with Hawthorn due to the fact they only gave pick 23 for him and therefore would also expect favourable treatment on the way back 

  On 08/08/2019 at 10:49, DubDee said:

true, but compare the amount of players at the top teams (GWS, Pies, Tigers, WC etc) that would be on very good money and we still should have plenty to spend.  unless we've overpaid the 6 above

I assume they paid a premium for Lever and May but we would also be paying good money for Petracca, Salem, Weed and other players in that bracket 

  On 08/08/2019 at 11:05, Demons11 said:

I don’t think Freo will deal with Hawthorn due to the fact they only gave pick 23 for him and therefore would also expect favourable treatment on the way back 

Maybe but I think if he nominates players usually get their way D11

  On 08/08/2019 at 11:10, Sorry kids said:

Maybe but I think if he nominates players usually get their way D11

Unless Freo have told him that they won’t trade him if he picks the Hawks 

  On 08/08/2019 at 11:13, Demons11 said:

Unless Freo have told him that they won’t trade him if he picks the Hawks 

Thats why I would be making Nev Jetta a long term offer with the Club when he retires to among other things mentor and take care of indigenous players welfare and attract more indigenous talent to the Club.

We have money to spend, Mahoney already came out earlier in the season and stated we had room in the cap.

But someone mentions on Demonland we have a tight cap and it's presumed gospel

  On 08/08/2019 at 12:05, Pennant St Dee said:

We have money to spend, Mahoney already came out earlier in the season and stated we had room in the cap.

But someone mentions on Demonland we have a tight cap and it's presumed gospel

To be fair, it's being mentioned on Demonland because various news articles have stated it.

  On 08/08/2019 at 11:21, Sorry kids said:

Thats why I would be making Nev Jetta a long term offer with the Club when he retires to among other things mentor and take care of indigenous players welfare and attract more indigenous talent to the Club.

WE already have Whelan in that role.

Edited August 8, 20195 yr by Kent