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Taylor picks (After first round).

I have not included 2018 as too early to tell. At best we can say he has picked 7 good out of 24, but that being said those 7 , it includes Joel Smith, Tim Smith and Fritsch which in reality the judges probably still out on.

We could probably say comfortably that 4 out of 24 have been strong picks.

When we have only brought in 4 decent players via the draft over 5 years (outside of first rounders) it makes you wonder how we can field a quality side.

2013 

JKH - Miss Pick
Hunt - Good Pick
Clisby - Miss Pick
Harmes - Good Pick
King - Miss Pick
Georgiou - Miss Pick
 
2014
ANB - Miss Pick
Stretch - Good Pick
VDB - Miss Pick
White - Miss Pick
 
2015
King - Miss Pick
Hulett - Miss Pick
Wagner - Miss Pick
Michie - Miss Pick
Joel Smith - Good Pick
 
2016
Hannan - Good Pick
Johnstone - Miss Pick
Filipovic - Miss Pick
Tim Smith - Good Pick
Keity - To Be Decided
 
2017
Spargo - Miss Pick
Fritsch - Good Pick
Petty - Miss Pick
Baker - Miss Pick

 

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    8 minutes ago, olisik said:

    Taylor picks (After first round).

    I have not included 2018 as too early to tell. At best we can say he has picked 7 good out of 24, but that being said those 7 , it includes Joel Smith, Tim Smith and Fritsch which in reality the judges probably still out on.

    We could probably say comfortably that 4 out of 24 have been strong picks.

    2013 

    JKH - Miss Pick
    Hunt - Good Pick
    Clisby - Miss Pick
    Harmes - Good Pick
    King - Miss Pick
    Georgiou - Miss Pick
     
    2014
    ANB - Miss Pick
    Stretch - Good Pick
    VDB - Miss Pick
    White - Miss Pick
     
    2015
    King - Miss Pick
    Hulett - Miss Pick
    Wagner - Miss Pick
    Michie - Miss Pick
    Joel Smith - Good Pick
     
    2016
    Hannan - Good Pick
    Johnstone - Miss Pick
    Filipovic - Miss Pick
    Tim Smith - Good Pick
    Keity - To Be Decided
     
    2017
    Spargo - Miss Pick
    Fritsch - Good Pick
    Petty - Miss Pick
    Baker - Miss Pick

     

    Stretch and Tim smith good picks? Hmm , time will tell with fritsch but upset we picked 3 players ahead of jack petrucelle.

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    Stretch and Tim smith good picks. Hmm , time will tell with fritsch but upset we picked 3 players ahead of jack petrucelle.

    Honestly it’s pretty damning, from 5 years of picks we can only comfortably say 1 pick (Harmes) is a walk up start in our 22. 

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    21 minutes ago, olisik said:

    Honestly it’s pretty damning, from 5 years of picks we can only comfortably say 1 pick (Harmes) is a walk up start in our 22. 

    Yeah that does seem very grim actually. Part of it might be development though. We don't have a smidgen of the development prowess of a Hawthorn. 

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    This is the best thread ever!

    But I'm afraid that with Taylor already going down it'll only be a week or so before we run out of fresh supplies - and I'm not sure how long our former employee back-up stocks can tide us over. Can we bring in some work experience kids to blame as a stop-gap solution, or is that like some labour rights breach?

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    It’s clear Goodwin has no idea what to do. The game plan from last year has been picked apart by the opposition and the players can’t implement what he wants.

    This manic hand pass game has to stop. Hawthorn won 3 premierships in a row by chipping the ball around by foot at the G. Why couldn’t we mimic their game style?  

    We need to action what Collingwood and richmond did with their assistant coaches. Clear the decks and get new ideas into the club. 

    Im still in shock that the season is over in April 

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    26 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

    It’s clear Goodwin has no idea what to do. The game plan from last year has been picked apart by the opposition and the players can’t implement what he wants.

    This manic hand pass game has to stop. Hawthorn won 3 premierships in a row by chipping the ball around by foot at the G. Why couldn’t we mimic their game style?  

    We need to action what Collingwood and richmond did with their assistant coaches. Clear the decks and get new ideas into the club. 

    Im still in shock that the season is over in April 

    So we need to implement a Hawthorn chip-pass style game-plan and also do away with following Richmond's manic premiership winning style, except for their manic example of getting rid of all their coaching assistants?

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    54 minutes ago, Skuit said:

    So we need to implement a Hawthorn chip-pass style game-plan and also do away with following Richmond's manic premiership winning style, except for their manic example of getting rid of all their coaching assistants?

    There is a place for a manic style play but not 100% of the time. Richmond are able to control the pace

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    2 minutes ago, bandicoot said:

    There is a place for a manic style play but not 100% of the time. Richmond are able to control the pace

    We are also not Richmond in any sense . Apart from sharing the mcg and coming from Victoria 

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    When PJ came in one of the things he said was that we needed some experience at the club.

    The FD at the time was very young in football terms.

    Roos came in with George Stone for starters...

    Unfortunately the balance has gone back, we lack real experience.

    I think if Goodwin is to stay on then it's time for Mahoney to move on.

    We need a Balme/Walsh figure at the club to overview and make sure we're making the right calls.

    I don't think either of those 2 are going anywhere, so who is around?

    Gubby? hate the suggestion but he is a good operator.

    We need to get nasty and he might just be the man for the job...

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    36 minutes ago, rjay said:

    We need a Balme/Walsh figure at the club to overview and make sure we're making the right calls.

    Have been saying this for over a year and posted similar several times this week. 

    Mahoney, Goodwin and most of our assistant coaches have only one stint in their current jobs.  Those stints have been for just a few years while there has been constant improvement.  Collectively they have little experience managing in turbulent times.  Roos and PJ covered that in recent years.

    No organisation can carry that much inexperience in one department.

    Unfortunatley, I can't see us getting a Balme type person ie GM Football as that is the position Mahoney was promoted to some years ago with Daniel Mc Pherson as the Football Manager.

    They just have to learn on the job and we hope that they get it sorted quickly ?

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    10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    They just have to learn on the job

    We can't afford that any longer...

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    Something stinks.  I dont know how sacking people will fix the problem, but from the outside, it looks like something has gone really off the rails.  We can sack the lot of them, but unless we find and address what is really going wrong, we are simply swapping deck chairs.  How do we go from chocolates to boiled lollies so fast?

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    29 minutes ago, rjay said:

    We can't afford that any longer...

    Agree.  

    But doubt Pert will get rid of Mahoney bring someone in over the top of him for a Balme type even tho that is what we need.

    Staff changes, if they happen will be below Mahoney and Goodwin.  But that will be next year, if they  happen.  So we are dependent on Mahoney and Goodwin et al to get us out of this mess this year.  

    Whether we can afford it or not that is all we have.

     

    I like your suggestion of Gubby.  But he has been at he Saints for only six months.  Can he be enticed away?  Were he and Pert mates at the Pies?

    As an aside, Lethlean (as GM Football ie Mahoney's equivalent) has done a great job at the Saints.  Overhauled list management, changed assistant coaches brought in specialist coaches:  Slater, Brereton.  Can't really see Mahoney doing similar as most coaching/football staff have been appointed during his watch.

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    10 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

    Yeah that does seem very grim actually. Part of it might be development though. We don't have a smidgen of the development prowess of a Hawthorn. 

    Or Geelong 

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    13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    I like your suggestion of Gubby.  But he has been at he Saints for only six months.  Can he be enticed away?  Were he and Pert mates at the Pies?

    This is where Pert will earn his money, there's a review coming.

    Maybe Gubby connection from the Fitzroy days...

    I think Mahoney will move on to develop his skills in business management after this season anyway.

     

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    23 minutes ago, rjay said:

    This is where Pert will earn his money, there's a review coming.

    Maybe Gubby connection from the Fitzroy days...

    I think Mahoney will move on to develop his skills in business management after this season anyway.

     

    Leaving at a very low point - hardly great timing 

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    On 4/20/2019 at 9:57 PM, Age said:

     Rumors there was a club who’ve got up to 15 players claiming mental health issues so they don’t get drug tested. The issue is that the remaining players are now getting tested all the time and has caused a rift in the group. 

    Strangley, we have fallen completely off the map this year. 

    Do I put 2 and 2 together???

     

    Starting to think this might be us.  How else do you go from a Prelim to the worst team in the comp and a total rabble?

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    2 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

    Something stinks.  I dont know how sacking people will fix the problem, but from the outside, it looks like something has gone really off the rails.  We can sack the lot of them, but unless we find and address what is really going wrong, we are simply swapping deck chairs.  How do we go from chocolates to boiled lollies so fast?

    Agreed - there is definitely something NQR about the place at the moment.  I have never seen so many very good, good and capable players so desperately out of form and confidence at the same time.

    There will definitely be an end of season review and, in my opinion anyway, I hope it's led by someone from outside of the club.

    When these reviews take place, there's rarely mass sackings as the outcome, but it usually comes down to communication and role definitions within the club as a whole. 

    Last year was not a one-off or a fluke as some have been spruiking; it was the gradual progression that has been building since 2014.  We have gone from:

    2014: 4 wins

    2015: 7 wins

    2016: 10 wins

    2017: 12 wins

    2018: 14 wins (+ 2 finals)

    To then go 1 and 5 says that something significant has occurred behind the scenes that we haven't got wind of yet.

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    7 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

    Agreed - there is definitely something NQR about the place at the moment.  I have never seen so many very good, good and capable players so desperately out of form and confidence at the same time.

    There will definitely be an end of season review and, in my opinion anyway, I hope it's led by someone from outside of the club.

    When these reviews take place, there's rarely mass sackings as the outcome, but it usually comes down to communication and role definitions within the club as a whole. 

    Last year was not a one-off or a fluke as some have been spruiking; it was the gradual progression that has been building since 2014.  We have gone from:

    2014: 4 wins

    2015: 7 wins

    2016: 10 wins

    2017: 12 wins

    2018: 14 wins (+ 2 finals)

    To then go 1 and 5 says that something significant has occurred behind the scenes that we haven't got wind of yet.

    Jade Rawlings to Casey happened.

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    Just now, olisik said:

    Jade Rawlings to Casey happened.

    Huge loss, big fan; but it's not enough.

     

     

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