18 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Sure, if you say so

You were the same with Brayshaw as I was with Watts.

Just one difference.  I was right.

You should at least admit it.

Quite a few years ago, in a little bush tavern, I shared too many beers with Big Ditta. He lamented the fact that footy had lost its "pizzaz" ie it was too regimented.

About 12 months ago, I was at a boozy barbarque  with a bloke who had been a trainer, stats man and general dogsbody at Casey. He claimed his most pressing job was players asking him to repeat/explain coaching instructions to him. He reckoned many players were often just plain confused about their role.

Petracca has all the tools and more. He is young and played ( without looking it up) 40 - 60 games. He seems to me the sort of player who is yet to be comfortable with his role and where he fits in the team. What for him is the balance between his individuality and his part of the team.

Some players don't work it out but Goody has grown on me as a coach and I reckon he'll develop Petracca into a gun who oppositions will fear.

 

But I have - I’ve said multiple times his improvement once he went inside was enormous

I always said if he continued on as he was he was going nowhere, slowly; thank goodness he hasn’t, as I was really worried about him and his development 

With an inside mid role he was terrific, but I think with improved disposal he’ll get even better

As we all know he has the gifts, he needs the will and desire to reach the real heights.

Someone (player) just needs to ride and ride him and ride him each and every training session. “Harder, more, is that it, De Goey, Martin, not enough, don’t f kn stop, next contest”. 

27 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Quite a few years ago, in a little bush tavern, I shared too many beers with Big Ditta. He lamented the fact that footy had lost its "pizzaz" ie it was too regimented.

About 12 months ago, I was at a boozy barbarque  with a bloke who had been a trainer, stats man and general dogsbody at Casey. He claimed his most pressing job was players asking him to repeat/explain coaching instructions to him. He reckoned many players were often just plain confused about their role.

Petracca has all the tools and more. He is young and played ( without looking it up) 40 - 60 games. He seems to me the sort of player who is yet to be comfortable with his role and where he fits in the team. What for him is the balance between his individuality and his part of the team.

Some players don't work it out but Goody has grown on me as a coach and I reckon he'll develop Petracca into a gun who oppositions will fear.

 

Agreed, and simple answer Bbo...IMO,   just go for it.  Don't question your/himself, or the role... put that stuff out of mind, and go for it.  See ball, get ball, and over again.  No beg pardons.

 

 I think Petracca, imv/assumption...  seems like a little boy lost, as you see.    In that he seems too polite to make waves.

... I want to see him break the china, smash the plates like a bull in a china shop, it that's what it takes... to get the ball and push it forward.

F()c& the role, and just go for it, until he finds the rhythm of his style.   Let it all hang out, and the coaches can smooth out the wrinkles, one at a time, to smooth him out slowly, as he goes along.

 

I wonder if he plays 'inhibited' of his abilities.  for fear of making mistakes.

Tear it up Tracca, make mayhem...  and pssst.   get much, much, fitter.   Become the player that you could be.  Do not fear your ability.   Or anything else, for that matter.   Go for it, don't hold back.   Break loose from your inner negatives.

 

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How long did it take Dusty to get a big enough tank to last a whole game in the midfield, 3-4years?

How many games did Ablett have under his belt before he became consistent, and one of the greatest players to have played the game, 100?

Petracca, in my opinion, will follow the Dusty scenario. One year slower because of his interrupted start to his AFL career. I’m not too worried about his progress. ?

He kicked 26.6 in 2017

He kicked 19.23 in 2018

 

Thats very strange.  Could have had a fantastic season if he had kicked semi accurately.

13 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

But I have - I’ve said multiple times his improvement once he went inside was enormous

I always said if he continued on as he was he was going nowhere, slowly; thank goodness he hasn’t, as I was really worried about him and his development 

With an inside mid role he was terrific, but I think with improved disposal he’ll get even better

You should have been far more astute with your judgement. 

It was plainly obvious he had immense talent and would break through the plateau he was experiencing, which is why some of us regularly called out your comments at the time. 

Just now, ProDee said:

You should have been far more astute with your judgement. 

It was plainly obvious he had immense talent and would break through the plateau he was experiencing, which is why some of us regularly called out your comments at the time. 

Yeah, happy to be shown I was wrong - I want all players on our list to be successful but Brayshaw’s form over 2017 and 2016 was awful and had me seriously worried for his future 

11 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Yeah, happy to be shown I was wrong - I want all players on our list to be successful but Brayshaw’s form over 2017 and 2016 was awful and had me seriously worried for his future 

Well said, although I disagree that his form was “awful.” 

13 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Quite a few years ago, in a little bush tavern, I shared too many beers with Big Ditta. He lamented the fact that footy had lost its "pizzaz" ie it was too regimented.

About 12 months ago, I was at a boozy barbarque  with a bloke who had been a trainer, stats man and general dogsbody at Casey. He claimed his most pressing job was players asking him to repeat/explain coaching instructions to him. He reckoned many players were often just plain confused about their role.

Petracca has all the tools and more. He is young and played ( without looking it up) 40 - 60 games. He seems to me the sort of player who is yet to be comfortable with his role and where he fits in the team. What for him is the balance between his individuality and his part of the team.

Some players don't work it out but Goody has grown on me as a coach and I reckon he'll develop Petracca into a gun who oppositions will fear.

 

Never thought I would say it about you BBO, but thoughtful and insightful comments. 

It's all good playing up forward but if playing up forward you need to kick straight and he has been woeful at that the last 12 months. His poor conversation rate is even more misleading given the number of out on the fulls he kicked. Also not to mention the number of clutch goals he missed. Needs to lift. 

9 hours ago, Dr.D said:

It's all good playing up forward but if playing up forward you need to kick straight and he has been woeful at that the last 12 months. His poor conversation rate is even more misleading given the number of out on the fulls he kicked. Also not to mention the number of clutch goals he missed. Needs to lift. 

Funny because as a junior I remember him saying he loved the clutch moments.Not so at this level yet.  I do I think he’s developing into real quality and had a good year, but he just can’t get the space he used to get underage and doesn’t have the extreme pace of a martin or a degoey needed to get it. Nor will ever.  I also think that it was really drilled into him to lose the big ego he carried into the AFL...earn his place.. team first etc. so I have a sense that  finding his strut again on the big stage is probably important to a player like him. My hope is with the younger players coming in underneath him he’ll grow into leadership and refind it. May be the difference between being a really good player and potentially great one.

Petracca is going to be vital for us next year. Weideman is largely unproven, and whilst he does look the goods - we can't 100% bank on it. Petracca is a good fall back option for us in the forward line. He has the tools to be a power forward. Hopefully we don't need to rely on him to be a one out power forward, but if need be, I think he could do that role very well. He is very strong. I have seen nothing to suggest he will be a full time - or even part time - midfielder, but he could play a vital role for us in the forward line next year. Whilst we didn't draft Trac to solely be a forward, it may turn out that he could be more beneficial for us to play forward - than he'd be as a mid. 

51 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Petracca is going to be vital for us next year. Weideman is largely unproven, and whilst he does look the goods - we can't 100% bank on it. Petracca is a good fall back option for us in the forward line. He has the tools to be a power forward. Hopefully we don't need to rely on him to be a one out power forward, but if need be, I think he could do that role very well. He is very strong. I have seen nothing to suggest he will be a full time - or even part time - midfielder, but he could play a vital role for us in the forward line next year. Whilst we didn't draft Trac to solely be a forward, it may turn out that he could be more beneficial for us to play forward - than he'd be as a mid. 

I'm thinking the reverse, If Petracca makes an impact it will be as a midfielder with his sheer big bodied presence at key moments, or when as a half forward, up the ground and winning key contests and surging us forward. With a bag or 2 of goals at the most kicked throughout the year. Oliver looks to be the one that can have a true 'power forward' impact when needed. Petracca more the crumber/half forward with class at the drop of the ball currently.

But i'm not expecting any massive leap next year like I was last year. We might all be underestimating how big or vital an impact the Gawn/Preuss combination may just become next year, which really would mean we can get along fine with Petracca not being a prolific forward or kicking 30-40.

Edited November 29, 20186 yr by John Demonic
re-written a few times, soz

12 hours ago, Dr.D said:

It's all good playing up forward but if playing up forward you need to kick straight and he has been woeful at that the last 12 months. His poor conversation rate is even more misleading given the number of out on the fulls he kicked. Also not to mention the number of clutch goals he missed. Needs to lift. 

Agreed Dr_

This current team setup doesn't have any one dimensional players.

"One dimensional",  is career suicide these days.  And so it should be.  Yes, players should have their specialties... but they should play many roles during the course of a game..  and Petracca solely as a forward, is not good enough for a player of his capabilities.

 

We, the team, needs more of him, than simply prowling the inside 50Mtrs area.

		Rank Player Team Games Goal Assists for Last Game Total 1 Jake Melksham Melbourne 23 0 v West Coast, Preliminary Final 33 2 Shane Edwards Richmond 24 1 v Collingwood, Preliminary Final 31 3 Dylan Shiel GWS 23 0 v Collingwood, Semi Final 26 4 Tom Hawkins Geelong 21 0 v Melbourne, Elimination Final 24 5 Dustin Martin Richmond 23 1 v Collingwood, Preliminary Final 23 5 Patrick Dangerfield Geelong 22 1 v Melbourne, Elimination Final 23 7 Jamie Cripps West Coast 25 0 v Collingwood, Grand Final 22 7 Christian Petracca Melbourne 24 1 v West Coast, Preliminary Final 22 7 Jack Billings St Kilda 21 1 v North Melbourne, Round 23 22 10 Alex Neal-Bullen Melbourne 25 2 v West Coast, Preliminary Final 20 Team
		Just to add to the discussion, Petracca is doing pretty well in terms of goal assists as is ANB. Melksham had such a great year, that it feels like it could be an outlier and he may struggle at times next year as opposition is more familiar and puts a tag on him. So maybe if Tracc again plays more time forward, we should look at the assist tally just as much as the goal conversion tally to measure his output.

Edited November 29, 20186 yr by John Demonic
pasted a table and the formatting went weird.

On 11/28/2018 at 2:10 PM, DV8 said:

Petracca  =  Poosy Cat.

 

When he learns to give his everything to his game... and to get absolutely elite fit,  then he MIGHT become his potential.  not his draft pick... His potential, as an Elite sports-man.

 

He is just-a-boy,  between his Ears. 

I hope he is not still living at home, and leaning on Mum for everything... like my Italian mates did to they're mum's.

 

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No disrespect to your comments he is no  so called Poosy Cat and he certainly can play. However he  will mature into a fine player  as he has time on his side there is no doubt.  Sometimes it is good to learn on someone. He is still a kid.

14 hours ago, John Demonic said:

		Rank Player Team Games Goal Assists for Last Game Total 1 Jake Melksham Melbourne 23 0 v West Coast, Preliminary Final 33 2 Shane Edwards Richmond 24 1 v Collingwood, Preliminary Final 31 3 Dylan Shiel GWS 23 0 v Collingwood, Semi Final 26 4 Tom Hawkins Geelong 21 0 v Melbourne, Elimination Final 24 5 Dustin Martin Richmond 23 1 v Collingwood, Preliminary Final 23 5 Patrick Dangerfield Geelong 22 1 v Melbourne, Elimination Final 23 7 Jamie Cripps West Coast 25 0 v Collingwood, Grand Final 22 7 Christian Petracca Melbourne 24 1 v West Coast, Preliminary Final 22 7 Jack Billings St Kilda 21 1 v North Melbourne, Round 23 22 10 Alex Neal-Bullen Melbourne 25 2 v West Coast, Preliminary Final 20 Team
		Just to add to the discussion, Petracca is doing pretty well in terms of goal assists as is ANB. Melksham had such a great year, that it feels like it could be an outlier and he may struggle at times next year as opposition is more familiar and puts a tag on him. So maybe if Tracc again plays more time forward, we should look at the assist tally just as much as the goal conversion tally to measure his output.

One thing about Petracca is the quality of his disposals.  He really impacts games with his ball use, which I suspect is why he's previously been classified by CD as elite.

On 11/28/2018 at 9:07 PM, Bitter but optimistic said:

Quite a few years ago, in a little bush tavern, I shared too many beers with Big Ditta. He lamented the fact that footy had lost its "pizzaz" ie it was too regimented.

About 12 months ago, I was at a boozy barbarque  with a bloke who had been a trainer, stats man and general dogsbody at Casey. He claimed his most pressing job was players asking him to repeat/explain coaching instructions to him. He reckoned many players were often just plain confused about their role.

Petracca has all the tools and more. He is young and played ( without looking it up) 40 - 60 games. He seems to me the sort of player who is yet to be comfortable with his role and where he fits in the team. What for him is the balance between his individuality and his part of the team.

Some players don't work it out but Goody has grown on me as a coach and I reckon he'll develop Petracca into a gun who oppositions will fear.

 

Bitters, I'm impressed. Is this your first football opinion ever? 

1 hour ago, A F said:

Bitters, I'm impressed. Is this your first football opinion ever? 

Agree Adam, Bitters has dropped his alter ego and sounds well......intelligent and normal. Who would have guessed that behind the mask lies an astute football judge.  

Regarding the player his bulk worries me. He is clearly a solid boy but I'm sure less bulk would benefit his game and make him less susceptible to injury particularly knee injury.

Edited November 30, 20186 yr by hemingway

4 hours ago, A F said:

Bitters, I'm impressed. Is this your first football opinion ever? 

No Adam it is not.

It is simply that my brilliant football observations are overshadowed by my even more brilliant smut.

6 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

No Adam it is not.

It is simply that my brilliant football observations are overshadowed by my even more brilliant smut.

And we are all the wiser for that smut, Uncle.

14 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

And we are all the wiser for that smut, Uncle.

Well Moonie, given the unnatural amount of time you spend at that sordid little love nest you have by the coast, I may well have inspired you!

5 hours ago, A F said:

Bitters, I'm impressed. Is this your first football opinion ever? 

Also, having watched a few Casey games near the coaching hub I'm not surprised some of them needed to have instructions translated from English into Bogan..