Jump to content

Featured Replies

What I find distasteful is Freo's reference to discontinuing the 'due diligence' process, implying there is something wrong with Jesse or his character. 

If there is something wrong don't make an offer.  If there isn't, don't infer something that people then start to claim he is 'damaged goods'.   Rumours take on their own 'fake news sort of truth' that then need to be disproven.  In a way it becomes guilty till proven innocent.  An impossible catch-22!

I don't know what is behind this talk of 'damaged goods' or if there is any truth in it and I don't really care but this campaign to besmirch Jesse's character to drive his trade value down is extremely unpleasant.

Whoever he plays with, I hope he does a Dusty (after he was rejected by other clubs a few years ago for being 'damaged goods') and shows everyone his mettle and becomes the star he is capable of being.

 
49 minutes ago, Canplay said:

Ricky Nixon stating on Twitter that Jesse is damaged goods and Freo have made 110% right call and wont be back....... but won’t say why.   AFL industry loves rumours and innuendo.

?‍♂️

30 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Im guessing...fmd.. How many bloody dots do you need ??

For someone who professes a clue about media ...youre' not showing it.

Dont you KNOW how these things are played out?  You ACTUALLY believe all the public media drivel ?

Clubs ,Players all have their little public announcement soundbites ready.  Sometimes you actually just stay shtum.

COme on SWYL  i know your cleverer than that.

I believe the statement put out by the MFC

AND NOTHING HAS COME OUT SINCE THEN...

Absolutely nothing, unless you believe Ricky Nixon

 

Let me spell it out for you.

Freo have no ammunition, that is why they traded pick 6 out; to get extra picks to meet their minimum trade obligations.

Unless they trade Neale they can and could not offer any more than they already have. For them to get Hogan they have to trade Neale.

They only have picks 11, 23, 30 ,49, and 81.

 

Very responsible of Ricky to throw mud at Hogan's reputation like this. Wouldn't he have loved it if it had happened to one of his players when he was a (semi) respectable member of society.

Hogan and his manager will be over the moon seeing his value on the decline because of this.


48 minutes ago, corowa said:

This whole scenario portrays the power of the media. They keep hounding until they get what they want - new Prime Minister - AFL coach losing contract, Hogan leaving MFC and on and on and bloody on!

 Keeping Hogan would not be the end of the world. Who says he'll just leave at the end of 2019? So might Oliver, or Gawn or Petracca.No one knows - yet the media hypothesize. Mud-rakers and morons like Sam Maclure.

Replacing Hogan with May would strengthen our backline but would do nothing for the forwards. What if T Mac or Weideman sustains an injury? How would our forward line look then? And Hogan is 4 years younger than May!

At least the backline will see the return of Lever during next season.

At one stage this season commentators were speaking volumes of our 'twin towers' up forward - T Mac and Hogan - and what a huge advantage they gave us over most other teams. How has this changed of late?

To win matches you have to kick lots of goals - we did this very well most weeks. Why change a successful formula?

 

What if Kennedy or Darling get injured ?  What if Lynch or Riewoldt get injured ?  They happen and you deal with as best you can.

When Hogan comes to you and says he wants to explore moving home with one year on his contract only a dope wouldn't try and get the best deal possible.  You can't keep players that don't want to be there and you can't make best practice decisions on the basis someone might hypothetically get injured the following year  You try and construct a list as best you can to deal with those scenarios..

1 minute ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Very responsible of Ricky to throw mud at Hogan's reputation like this. Wouldn't he have loved it if it had happened to one of his players when he was a (semi) respectable member of society.

Hogan and his manager will be over the moon seeing his value on the decline because of this.

The man is a Grub!

I doubt his words will impact Hogan but awful nonetheless 

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

I believe the statement put out by the MFC

AND NOTHING HAS COME OUT SINCE THEN...

Absolutely nothing, unless you believe Ricky Nixon

But you must know that also is spin...it's just birdcage lining or fish wrapping at best.

No I'm not one to particularly believe the lecherous Ricky.

That said there are many elements to this which fly in the face of what we generally understood the situation to be.

Which particular statement by the club ?.. there's been a few...and the position has changed ( publicly )

All of this points to angendas....and they don't match the advertised program.

 

Look, it's not just Nixon questioning Hogan.  Karl Langdon has done it and even our own Chook from Perth said he was worried about defamation if he revealed what he knew.

Clearly, there are significant off-field issues being discussed about Hogan within the AFL community.

Are they true ?  Is there substance to them ?  I don't know.  But it doesn't help our hand at the trade table. 

But, by all means denigrate anyone who repeats them, as is the want of supporters who don't like such things being said about one of their players.  Better to denigrate the person retelling what they hear than think anything like that could possibly be true.

19 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

What I find distasteful is Freo's reference to discontinuing the 'due diligence' process, implying there is something wrong with Jesse or his character. 

If there is something wrong don't make an offer.  If there isn't, don't infer something that people then start to claim he is 'damaged goods'.   Rumours take on their own 'fake news sort of truth' that then need to be disproven.  In a way it becomes guilty till proven innocent.  An impossible catch-22!

I don't know what is behind this talk of 'damaged goods' or if there is any truth in it and I don't really care but this campaign to besmirch Jesse's character to drive his trade value down is extremely unpleasant.

Whoever he plays with, I hope he does a Dusty (after he was rejected by other clubs a few years ago for being 'damaged goods') and shows everyone his mettle and becomes the star he is capable of being.

Not sure I agree with that.

In his statement, Bell made it crystal clear that we were asking too much for Hogan, without actually saying exactly what it was. We have all been hearing "2 first rounders", and that plays into his story perfectly, and gives cover for any supposed nefarious reasons.

 

I for one cannot stand the "I know something but I wont tell you" crowd, and suspect that people are simply trying to make a name for themselves.   edit(Hmm, if Chook in perth is saying things, there may be something to it)

Hogan is still a Dee, and while very disappointed about missing out on May, Hogan is still quite a player.

Edited by faultydet


3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

But you must know that also is spin...it's just birdcage lining or fish wrapping at best.

No I'm not one to particularly believe the lecherous Ricky.

That said there are many elements to this which fly in the face of what we generally understood the situation to be.

Which particular statement by the club ?.. there's been a few...and the position has changed ( publicly )

All of this points to angendas....and they don't match the advertised program.

I don’t think the MFC are spinning. I think we are happy either way to have Jessie or not. You must factor in his family issues. 

I think all other parties are spinning. 

Jesse passed a medical then they offer rubbish. 

Deals off

24 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Here are the Nixon tweets.

 

1139489B-F928-439F-B22D-D38CB8431696.jpeg

FF2E58C5-061D-42D6-B16A-7D0489D7536C.jpeg

F2EEF913-433F-4F10-85DE-C4228AC6E1CD.jpeg

is @rickynixontoot the real ricky nixon?

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t think the MFC are spinning. I think we are happy either way to have Jessie or not. You must factor in his family issues. 

I think all other parties are spinning. 

Jesse passed a medical then they offer rubbish. 

Deals off

So everyone else spins.....but we don't !! 

Hogan staying is by far the best outcome for the Dees. Jesse is a gun, he is well on the way to being a generational forward. We were always going to be a weaker team next season if Hogan left even with May and another first rounder. Further the rule changes are to Hogan’s advantages.  Life just got a hell of a lot easier for the power forward.

With Weeds coming of age the Dees have the luxury of moving Tommy into the backline on the rare occasion we come up against 3 power forwards like WC. Alternatively we can play 3 power forwards or move JH into to midfield. However, most likely is the endless rotation of the forwards including Gawn like we saw last season. This confused the opposition and continuously allowed the Dees to find a mismatch in the forward 50.

The footy gods have smiled on us. The rule changes are a massive advantage to those who have dominant ruck, clearance and power forwards. They are a massive advantage to the teams that are already very offensive. With Jesse we can win the Premiership next year. In fact we should be favourites. Richmond’s poor clearance work will be a bigger disadvantage with the new rules.

Just now, beelzebub said:

So everyone else spins.....but we don't !! 

The MFC have no reason to spin on this one. 

In some ways we have been to open. But i think that is Josh being a good operator. 

We have put a price on Jesse and it has been knocked back  2 first round picks is a fair price for a 23 year old forward, who can play. 


14 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

The man is a Grub!

I doubt his words will impact Hogan but awful nonetheless 

 

images.jpeg

25 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

What I find distasteful is Freo's reference to discontinuing the 'due diligence' process, implying there is something wrong with Jesse or his character. 

If there is something wrong don't make an offer.  If there isn't, don't infer something that people then start to claim he is 'damaged goods'.   Rumours take on their own 'fake news sort of truth' that then need to be disproven.  In a way it becomes guilty till proven innocent.  An impossible catch-22!

I don't know what is behind this talk of 'damaged goods' or if there is any truth in it and I don't really care but this campaign to besmirch Jesse's character to drive his trade value down is extremely unpleasant.

Whoever he plays with, I hope he does a Dusty (after he was rejected by other clubs a few years ago for being 'damaged goods') and shows everyone his mettle and becomes the star he is capable of being.

Frankly after the many ways they have stuffed up this trade period, Freo have zero, or negative, credibility  

 

17 minutes ago, skills32 said:

Let me spell it out for you.

Freo have no ammunition, that is why they traded pick 6 out; to get extra picks to meet their minimum trade obligations.

Unless they trade Neale they can and could not offer any more than they already have. For them to get Hogan they have to trade Neale.

They only have picks 11, 23, 30 ,49, and 81.

 

They would probably be better trading Lyon for Neeld.  And that is how bad they have proven themselves. 

3 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Hogan staying is by far the best outcome for the Dees. Jesse is a gun, he is well on the way to being a generational forward. We were always going to be a weaker team next season if Hogan left even with May and another first rounder. Further the rule changes are to Hogan’s advantages.  Life just got a hell of a lot easier for the power forward.

With Weeds coming of age the Dees have the luxury of moving Tommy into the backline on the rare occasion we come up against 3 power forwards like WC. Alternatively we can play 3 power forwards or move JH into to midfield. However, most likely is the endless rotation of the forwards including Gawn like we saw last season. This confused the opposition and continuously allowed the Dees to find a mismatch in the forward 50.

The footy gods have smiled on us. The rule changes are a massive advantage to those who have dominant ruck, clearance and power forwards. They are a massive advantage to the teams that are already very offensive. With Jesse we can win the Premiership next year. In fact we should be favourites. Richmond’s poor clearance work will be a bigger disadvantage with the new rules.

this

the only caveat i'd add is that speedy wingmen / ball-carriers like gaff, polec, jj, etc. just became worth their weight in gold

The premiership is not reliant upon Jesse. Might be just me but the club's view is we are better balanced and structured without him....hence they are NOT seeking to replace like with like.

Seems many are just trying to find him a role to keep their fav player. 

Forward ...back...on the wing.. anywhere...just keep Jesse...

It's hilarious.

Get the job done Dees

 

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The MFC have no reason to spin on this one. 

In some ways we have been to open. But i think that is Josh being a good operator. 

We have put a price on Jesse and it has been knocked back  2 first round picks is a fair price for a 23 year old forward, who can play. 

See..that's spin..

We are happy to take a first and second round pick.

The reality is we were never really expecting 2 firsts because as many deduce given what everyone is trying to accomplish there just wouldn't be 2 firsts available to do this deal if others done. I'm pretty confident Josh knows this only too well.


With all of the diverse opinions and predictions posted on this thread, I am still to see any post more accurate than my early post, which was” we will either do the Hogan for May deal or we won’t”.

36 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I wouldn't trust Ricky Nixon to sit the right way on a toilet seat.

I wouldn't trust him to even sit on the toilet.

Just now, beelzebub said:

See..that's spin..

We are happy to take a first and second round pick.

The reality is we were never really expecting 2 firsts because as many deduce given what everyone is trying to accomplish there just wouldn't be 2 firsts available to do this deal if others done. I'm pretty confident Josh knows this only too well.

Freo had 6 and will get 5 for Neale.

If Neale is traded they would have had both picks. 

Freo chose to get rid of 6.

 
44 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

We were always going to be a weaker team next season if Hogan left even with May and another first rounder.

Disagree.

I should clarify.  We're better with both May and Hogan in the team and Weideman at Casey.  But as that's not an option I really do think we're structurally far better off with May at FB.

I see a flag with May at FB and I can't with Oscar, Frost, and Lever as the key tall defenders.  I accept others disagree.

Edited by ProDee

Just now, beelzebub said:

See..that's spin..

We are happy to take a first and second round pick.

The reality is we were never really expecting 2 firsts because as many deduce given what everyone is trying to accomplish there just wouldn't be 2 firsts available to do this deal if others done. I'm pretty confident Josh knows this only too well.

Freo have been into Jesse for years. If they really wanted him, they would pay. 

If Jesse was 29 i would agree with you, but he is not, he is 23 and not even peaked yet. He is worth 2 First Roond picks, particularly now that th “Hands in the back rule” is gone. 

You are prepared to undersell him to just get the deal done. 

The MFC realize he is an asset, if you want him pay up. The Shockers threw rubbish

[censored] off


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 11

    Round 11, the second week of The Sir Doug Nicholls Round, kicks off on Thursday night with the Cats hosting the Bulldogs at Kardinia Park. Geelong will be looking to to continue their decade long dominance over the Bulldogs, while the Dogs aim to take another big scalp as they surge up the ladder. On Friday night it's he Dreamtime at the 'G clash between Essendon and Richmond. The Bombers will want to avoid another embarrassing performance against a lowly side whilst the Tigers will be keen to avenge a disappointing loss to the Kangaroos. Saturday footy kicks off as the Blues face the Giants in a pivotal clash for both clubs. Carlton need to turn around their up and down season while GWS will be eager to bounce back and reassert themselves as a September threat. At twilight sees the Hawks taking on the Lions at the G. Hawthorn need to cement themselves in the Top 4 but they’ll need to be at their best to challenge a Brisbane side eager to respond after last week’s crushing loss to the Dees on their home turf. The first of the Saturday night double headers opens with North Melbourne up against the high-flying Magpies. The Roos will need a near-perfect performance to trouble a Collingwood side sitting atop the ladder.

      • Like
    • 156 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Sydney

    The two teams competing at the MCG on Sunday afternoon have each traversed a long and arduous path since their previous encounter on a sweltering March evening in Sydney a season and a half ago. Both experienced periods of success at various times last year. The Demons ran out of steam in midseason while the Swans went on to narrowly miss the ultimate prize in the sport. Now, they find themselves outside of finals contention as the season approaches the halfway mark. The winner this week will remain in contact with the leading pack, while the loser may well find itself on a precipice, staring into the abyss. The current season has presented numerous challenges for most clubs, particularly those positioned in the middle tier. The Essendon experience in suffering a significant 91-point loss to the Bulldogs, just one week after defeating the Swans, may not be typical, but it illustrates the unpredictability of outcomes under the league’s present set up. 

      • Thanks
    • 3 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Brisbane

    “Max Gawn has been the heart and soul of the Dees for years now, but this recent recovery from a terrible start has been driven by him. He was everywhere again, and with the game in the balance, he took several key marks to keep the ball in the Dees forward half.” - The Monday Knee Jerk Reaction: Round Ten Of course, it wasn’t the efforts of one man that caused this monumental upset, but rather the work of the coach and his assistants and the other 22 players who took the ground, notably the likes of Jake Melksham, Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver and Kozzie Pickett but Max has been magnificent in taking ownership of his team and its welfare under the fire of a calamitous 0-5 start to the season. On Sunday, he provided the leadership that was needed to face up to the reigning premier and top of the ladder Brisbane Lions on their home turf and to prevail after a slow start, during which the hosts led by as much as 24 points in the second quarter. Titus O’Reily is normally comedic in his descriptions of the football but this time, he was being deadly serious. The Demons have come from a long way back and, although they still sit in the bottom third of the AFL pack, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel as they look to drive home the momentum inspired in the past four or five weeks by Max the Magnificent who was under such great pressure in those dark, early days of the season.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Southport

    The Southport Sharks came to Casey. They saw and they conquered a team with 16 AFL-listed players who, for the most part, wasted their time on the ground and failed to earn their keep. For the first half, the Sharks were kept in the game by the Demons’ poor use of the football, it’s disposal getting worse the closer the team got to its own goal and moreover, it got worse as the game progressed. Make no mistake, Casey was far and away the better team in the first half, it was winning the ruck duels through Tom Campbell’s solid performance but it was the scoreboard that told the story.

      • Like
    • 3 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Sydney

    Just a game and percentage outside the Top 8, the Demons return to Melbourne to face the Sydney Swans at the MCG, with a golden opportunity to build on the momentum from toppling the reigning premiers on their own turf. Who comes in, and who makes way?

      • Like
    • 352 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Brisbane

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we analyse a famous victory by the Demons over the Lions at the Gabba.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 35 replies
    Demonland