Farewell Jesse Hogan

[reynolds46 1,297]

56 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-live-updates-day-5-trade-period-live-chat-and-blog/news-story/e0becc051b15f8b22a343954bcb94288

"Wantaway star Lachie Neale met with new Fremantle footy boss Peter Bell on Wednesday - the first meeting between the pair.  ...Bell believed he could convince Neale to stay at the club, but he failed to do so with the midfielder remaining “adamant” he wants to head to Brisbane.

“It was Peter Bell’s belief that he was going to be able to get him to turn around and say ‘yep, I’ll stay at Fremantle’,”

Bell is living in another universe.  Well, I guess he won't get the 'feather in his cap' he was bragging about!

Good on Neale for sticking to his guns.  If he had had thoughts of staying, the shenanigans by Bell this week would have convinced him to keep running as fast as he can!

 

it may have been mentioned previously but besides wanting to get out of Freo why is Neale so keen to get to Brisbane is it $ or something more?

[beelzebub 23,390]

Just now, reynolds46 said:

it may have been mentioned previously but besides wanting to get out of Freo why is Neale so keen to get to Brisbane is it $ or something more?

Probably just as far away from Lyon as possible... Brisbane is the furthest !!

[Diamond_Jim 12,723]

One doesn't put much faith in opposition fan sites but the few posts on Dockerland that other posters have kindly linked to reveal an almost universal belief that the injury to Hogan severely impacts his worth.

Hope they are not proved correct.

https://www.dockerland.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&Itemid=251&catid=1&id=492648&limitstart=70

On the other hand there are now a few emerging with comments to the affect that they don't want to miss the opportunity.

Always interesting looking at things from others perspectives.

[John Demonic 5,943]

What happened to the 9news grab that hinted at another club throwing their hat in the right? 

[Redleg 42,053]

AFL Site article sums it up nicely.

"

MELBOURNE is still waiting for a reasonable offer from Fremantle for key forward Jesse Hogan, Demons football manager Josh Mahoney says. 

Hogan, 23, has told the Demons he would be open to a trade back to his home state of Western Australia and toured the Fremantle facilities last week. 

The Demons reportedly rejected the Dockers' first offer for Hogan on Thursday, which included pick No.11 and a future second-round draft selection.

"Jesse came to us and said he wants to explore the opportunity," Mahoney said.

"Basically, if Fremantle want to get Jesse Hogan, they know the deal they have to give for us and Jesse's aware of that.

"They haven't spoken to us about anything that entertains us at all about doing a deal."

Melbourne is also in the race for Gold Coast captain Steven May, but Mahoney made it clear that the Hogan deal will take precedence before any discussions take place with the Suns.

"We've got other deals we want to do," Mahoney said.

"At the moment  the offer they're giving to us doesn’t help us in any way."

Edited October 12, 2018 by Redleg

[Ethan Tremblay 31,279]

Had to duck into work for an hour, what did I miss? 

[Redleg 42,053]

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Had to duck into work for an hour, what did I miss? 

Hogan gone and we have May and KK, so nothing much.

Also Freo shouting all the other FD's lunch.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Redleg

[sue 9,240]

"They haven't spoken to us about anything that entertains us at all about doing a deal."

Rather mangled use by Josh of the word 'entertains'.  If he had said that Freo had said something to entertain us (with helpless laughter) he would have been closer to the mark.

Edited October 12, 2018 by sue

[beelzebub 23,390]

27 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

One doesn't put much faith in opposition fan sites but the few posts on Dockerland that other posters have kindly linked to reveal an almost universal belief that the injury to Hogan severely impacts his worth.

Hope they are not proved correct.

https://www.dockerland.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&view=topic&Itemid=251&catid=1&id=492648&limitstart=70

On the other hand there are now a few emerging with comments to the affect that they don't want to miss the opportunity.

Always interesting looking at things from others perspectives.

Fear is the greatest motivation in buying/selling.

Some will fear missing out irregardless.

[SFebes 4,884]

Mahoney should have said "we are now looking at ways to facilitate a trade for May without needing to with Jesse."

[Diamond_Jim 12,723]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Fear is the greatest motivation in buying/selling.

Some will fear missing out irregardless.

Playing hypotheticals... what if the medical report said "strained (or similar) navicular". Can be managed and with good management that may include resting of the player for 4-6 weeks movement should be relatively unaffected.

Let's face it medical opinions like those of lawyers are never clear cut.

Fast forward to 2019 and he plays 14 games for MFC while he is injured/rested for the remainder. Kicks 38 goals.

Is he worth more or less next year?

[Ethan Tremblay 31,279]

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Hogan gone and we have May and KK, so nothing much.

Also Freo shouting all the other FD's lunch.

I know a nice little cafe I might recommend they go to. It’s owned by a Melbourne supporter. 

[Billy 2,563]

Have we offered a contact extension beyond 2019?

Or are the club happy to see him out the door now or 2019

 

[Ouch! 2,276]

47 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It’s concerning that Freo have such a rank amateur in such a senior position (or so it seems - anyone know his resume prior?). It would be like Mahoney trying to do a deal for one of our best players with their BigFooty board. It’s all based on some skewed ideal rather than sensible reality.

With this bloke at their helm I’m expecting Hogan to play for Melbourne in 2019 now.

Bit harsh Nasher, Bell is an upgrade on Steve Rosich

Freo lost/let go both their list manager and their general manager of football. Bell fills the latter, but surely they would have elevated an existing scout or similar albeit temporarily. But they are making themselves looks like fools at the moment.

[beelzebub 23,390]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Playing hypotheticals... what if the medical report said "strained (or similar) navicular". Can be managed and with good management that may include resting of the player for 4-6 weeks movement should be relatively unaffected.

Let's face it medical opinions like those of lawyers are never clear cut.

Fast forward to 2019 and he plays 14 games for MFC while he is injured/rested for the remainder. Kicks 38 goals.

Is he worth more or less next year?

I think he's worth less to us next year ( end ) 

The time ideally is now.

The thing about fearing losing out / missing out is logic often gets diluted. 

 

[Adam The God 30,644]

1 hour ago, SFebes said:

You of all people should know that nowhere did I say Jesse had nominated Freo in any official capacity, all I said was, according to Mitch Cleary, Jesse has said he wants to play for them, the rest to me is common sense, maybe not for some.

You're right. Apologies. Don't multi task early in the morning, Adam.

I would still say you seemed to me to be stating Cleary's word as fact though.

[Diamond_Jim 12,723]

Just now, beelzebub said:

I think he's worth less to us next year ( end ) 

The time ideally is now.

The thing about fearing losing out / missing out is logic often gets diluted. 

 

ok but under my hypothetical he's only worth a late first rounder now.

Suppose what I am positing is that if we keep him and he plays 22 plus games and kicks 50 his comparative worth sky rockets.

I was very much into the trade Hogan for value scenario but if the value proposition is being impacted by a perceived injury my mind says keep him and play it out.

[JTR 2,897]

Whatever happens, I just hope this doesn't drag on until last minute Wednesday.

Freo can afford to wait once the Neale trade is done. We cant, if we want May and dont have a plan B for getting him without Freos pick.

GC may also refuse to trade May if it gets too late in the period as it leaves them no time to use what we give them. They've already said something along those lines.

Edited October 12, 2018 by JTR

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

27 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Had to duck into work for an hour, what did I miss? 

The AFL Integrity Department have charged Freo with bringing the game into disrepute.

And the AFL Bad Faith and Bullsh*t Department have given Freo an award for their contribution to bad faith and bullsh*t

[beelzebub 23,390]

13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

ok but under my hypothetical he's only worth a late first rounder now.

Suppose what I am positing is that if we keep him and he plays 22 plus games and kicks 50 his comparative worth sky rockets.

I was very much into the trade Hogan for value scenario but if the value proposition is being impacted by a perceived injury my mind says keep him and play it out.

It's about needs

[Demons1858 1,793]

1 hour ago, A F said:

Once again, there is a difference between Hogan being open to the trade if it can be facilitated and Hogan nominating Freo. A big difference in fact.

I'm not saying the trade won't get done. I'm not even saying Jesse doesn't want to play at Freo but the fact remains he hasn't nominated Freo, so I wouldn't be posting, as you have, that Jesse has nominated Freo based on a journos say so. 

Sorry AF, I'm happy to assume that he has nominated Freo but hasn't gone public. Happy to read between the lines on this one

[PaulRB 6,435]

Wouldn’t surprise me it Sydney has a tilt at Hogan...

[drdrake 3,203]

22 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Bit harsh Nasher, Bell is an upgrade on Steve Rosich

Freo lost/let go both their list manager and their general manager of football. Bell fills the latter, but surely they would have elevated an existing scout or similar albeit temporarily. But they are making themselves looks like fools at the moment.

Peter Bell is a very smart man, he knows that he has to look like taken the hard line approach but also knows he can't walk away from this trade week with just Lobb, he wants Lobb and Hogan to show the Footy world how good he is.  His Ego will play into our hands at some stage, he wants two prized recruits to create some hype around the Dockers for 2019

 

Also Ross Lyon can't build a list from bottom up, at Sydney, St Kilda and Fremantle is was about adding experience players to improve your list, look at his track record not much development of kids.  

Edited October 12, 2018 by drdrake

[Ouch! 2,276]

19 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I think he's worth less to us next year ( end ) 

The time ideally is now.

The thing about fearing losing out / missing out is logic often gets diluted. 

 

His value should be higher now, but demand for him next year could be higher if WCE join the race for his services. 

[Demons1858 1,793]

41 minutes ago, Redleg said:

AFL Site article sums it up nicely.

"

MELBOURNE is still waiting for a reasonable offer from Fremantle for key forward Jesse Hogan, Demons football manager Josh Mahoney says. 

Hogan, 23, has told the Demons he would be open to a trade back to his home state of Western Australia and toured the Fremantle facilities last week. 

The Demons reportedly rejected the Dockers' first offer for Hogan on Thursday, which included pick No.11 and a future second-round draft selection.

"Jesse came to us and said he wants to explore the opportunity," Mahoney said.

"Basically, if Fremantle want to get Jesse Hogan, they know the deal they have to give for us and Jesse's aware of that.

"They haven't spoken to us about anything that entertains us at all about doing a deal."

Melbourne is also in the race for Gold Coast captain Steven May, but Mahoney made it clear that the Hogan deal will take precedence before any discussions take place with the Suns.

"We've got other deals we want to do," Mahoney said.

"At the moment  the offer they're giving to us doesn’t help us in any way."

Yep, why would MFC lose an A grade talent like Hogan and not get the picks we need to get May across the line