On 02/10/2018 at 04:06, EnterTheDragon said:

Most media pundits don’t want Melbourne to receive two high first rounders for Hogan. They still see is as a minnow club who should do as we’re told and accept what we’re given in the manner of the third born in a poor family. Mark Robinson was on FoxFooty the other night adamant the Dees should not receive two first round picks for Hogan. I wonder why? Could it be that an even stronger Melbourne outfit makes it that much harder for his beloved Bombers to lift another Cup?

Vested interests left right and centre in all this reporting on potential trades. All we need to be concerned about is laying it out very clearly to Freo what we expect in trade and then stick to it. Any media noise that suggests we are being unreasonable or that we are overvaluing Hogan is exactly that ... noise.

Fugazzi.

  On 02/10/2018 at 04:08, Redleg said:

Fugazzi.

If referring to the 4th Estate...then, in your own vernacular, I agree, it's pretty f@#$d up.

  On 02/10/2018 at 03:49, beelzebub said:

Bell moved the goal posts

We moved them back.

I am guessing a lot of this is about Peter Bell trying to make an impression in his new gig at Freo. He’s trying to make himself relevant by landing a big scalp. Here’s hoping he falls flat on his face.

  On 02/10/2018 at 04:14, beelzebub said:

If referring to the 4th Estate...then, in your own vernacular, I agree, it's pretty f@#$d up.

it's funny how we all know how crap and dishonest the sports media are but we still fall for their clickbait and start long threads to discuss their bs. it's a funny world we live in with all this instant net "news"

  On 02/10/2018 at 04:17, chook fowler said:

I am guessing a lot of this is about Peter Bell trying to make an impression in his new gig at Freo. He’s trying to make himself relevant by landing a big scalp. Here’s hoping he falls flat on his face.

Don't quite see it quite that way.

It's Bell putting his stamp over proceedings. It's been suggested that the Dockers expressed too much eagerness to open the war chest to get their man. Bell has pulled in the reigns. I believe he still wants Hogan...just trying to hose down the mortgage.

Funnily now I think it more likely to happen than before. I have no trust or respect for some media outlets and contempt for many others. Many journalists are low life ambulance chasers with lower scruples and standards than the worst posters here.  I will not believe that Hogan is being traded until I hear it from the club. 

Edit:- Happy to talk about his worth though. 2 early first rounders + 

Edited October 2, 20186 yr by ManDee

  On 02/10/2018 at 01:36, P-man said:

If Hogan stays then Luke Darcy loses credibility. Which would mean he enters negative credibility. Also known as the Greg Denham Zone.

Wait, say that again.

  On 02/10/2018 at 02:52, corowa said:

It's not that many weeks ago that we were extolling the virtue of having a pair of big forwards the equal of the best in the league.

We were the highest scoring team this season. I can't see the need to change this style of play.

Losing one of the big two KPF will do nothing to maintain our high scores.

Or am I missing something?

 

There's an old adage. It's not so much the earnings as the spendings.

Earnings= score ( ours )

Spendings = score ( theirs )

Much is made of our high scoring...and percentage. 

Did it win us a flag ? No

We were still beaten too many times.  If we contained others scorelines by 2-3 goals a game .We win more games. If we do this whilst not scoring ( overall , at worst )2 or goals as much a game our % isn't harmed much if any. But again, we win more games. We sit higher on ladder, we play important home finals.

Finals are won by defences. We need to do better.

We can cover Hogan. As good as he is/will be/ maybe we have a front game that with refining is dangerous. We absolutely need to lock down our backyard and control it. Control in the back, chaos upfront.

Whether some like it or not Hogan isn't pivotal to success. A whole working team is. Smith understood that. I think the club does too. It's actually part of what esprit se corps is all about.

In other words a champion team not a team of champions etc

Imho we need what May or such brings to our game more than what Jesse brings. That's not a slight on Jesse...it's about a team, not an individual.

  On 02/10/2018 at 04:06, EnterTheDragon said:

Mark Robinson was on FoxFooty the other night adamant the Dees should not receive two first round picks for Hogan. I wonder why? Could it be that an even stronger Melbourne outfit makes it that much harder for his beloved Bombers 

Probably because it means we have a better hand to offer GWS for Shiel!

  On 02/10/2018 at 04:49, beelzebub said:

There's an old adage. It's not so much the earnings as the spendings.

Earnings= score ( ours )

Spendings = score ( theirs )

Much is made of our high scoring...and percentage. 

Did it win us a flag ? No

We were still beaten too many times.  If we contained others scorelines by 2-3 goals a game .We win more games. If we do this whilst not scoring ( overall , at worst )2 or goals as much a game our % isn't harmed much if any. But again, we win more games. We sit higher on ladder, we play important home finals.

Finals are won by defences. We need to do better.

We can cover Hogan. As good as he is/will be/ maybe we have a front game that with refining is dangerous. We absolutely need to lock down our backyard and control it. Control in the back, chaos upfront.

Whether some like it or not Hogan isn't pivotal to success. A whole working team is. Smith understood that. I think the club does too. It's actually part of what esprit se corps is all about.

In other words a champion team not a team of champions etc

Imho we need what May or such brings to our game more than what Jesse brings. That's not a slight on Jesse...it's about a team, not an individual.

I don't think he is pivotal to our success, we are just a worse team without him in it. For example, his running/link play, field kicking. Weed/Tmac do not cover this.

no doubt our defence needs work but not at the expense of our fwd line. I reckon he would kick 60+ over the next 7-8 years.

we need to do everything we can to keep him but if he wants to go, not much we can do

  On 02/10/2018 at 02:47, Caligula's cohort said:

I'm sick of hearing radio hosts/sport's commentator's thinking Hogan is only worth a early first round draft pick. Which we would then use to secure May. I would be staggered if we agreed to that deal. You don't give up a 23 year old KPF that will kick 50+ goals a season for the next 10 years for a 27 year old KPB. Dees need to play hard ball and get two early first rounders for Hogan. No exceptions!     

Anyone who thinks Hogan is worth anything less than two first round picks has NFI.

Mahoney on trade radio just said re: Hogan... 

"Not sure at the moment, we'll have a conversation about where he's going. He's going to meet with a few different people but he's a chance to leave at this stage."

"We've had conversations with him every trade period about whether he wants to leave, and this year may be the case."

Based on what a few broken down shown-nothing key position forwards have gone for in recent years, right niw Weideman is worth a first round pick. Bizarro garbage to talk of zhogan being worth just the one, even a very good one.

Meanwhile, something today reminded me of Trent Croad. And Fremantle's legendary capacity for terrible trading results. 

Prediction: Hogan heads to Freo, does fine but misses the profound bonds with the Demons. Is gutted by missing out on being part of our premiership at the same time as Freo just completely flat-lines with nothing but rubble left when they finally sack Ross Lyon. After a couple of years, feeling more mature and with family settled happily again, Hogan returns to the Demons for half what we gained in the original trade and proceeds to kick 70 a season for the next 5 years. A good time is had by all.

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:37, demon191919 said:

Mahoney on trade radio just said re: Hogan... 

"Not sure at the moment, we'll have a conversation about where he's going. He's going to meet with a few different people but he's a chance to leave at this stage."

"We've had conversations with him every trade period about whether he wants to leave, and this year may be the case."

GAWN

folks...it's just theatre now

GAWN

Josh Mahoney on Trade Radio just now

 - Jesse has some thinking to do over the next few days

 - Jesse having a few conversions and will come back to us over next few days

 - Will support his decision whatever that is, he mau choose to leave or stay

 - Have an idea of value, but didn't advise

 - Given situation with Jesse, have thought through options, including May if he wants to leave GCS

 - This year chance to balance list further, still need to bolster defence, have met with May twice

 - Link is can't afford May with Jesse on list

 - Will develop over the week, will know much more before next Monday

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:41, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Josh Mahoney on Trade Radio just now

 - Jesse has some thinking to do over the next few days

 - Jesse having a few conversions and will come back to us over next few days

 - Will support his decision whatever that is, he mau choose to leave or stay

 - Have an idea of value, but didn't advise

 - Given situation with Jesse, have thought through options, including May if he wants to leave GCS

 - This year chance to balance list further, still need to bolster defence, have met with May twice

 - Link is can't afford May with Jesse on list

 - Will develop over the week, will know much more before next Monday

 

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:37, demon191919 said:

Mahoney on trade radio just said re: Hogan... 

"Not sure at the moment, we'll have a conversation about where he's going. He's going to meet with a few different people but he's a chance to leave at this stage."

"We've had conversations with him every trade period about whether he wants to leave, and this year may be the case."

Well that’s that then. He’s gone.

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:37, demon191919 said:

Mahoney on trade radio just said re: Hogan... 

"Not sure at the moment, we'll have a conversation about where he's going. He's going to meet with a few different people but he's a chance to leave at this stage."

"We've had conversations with him every trade period about whether he wants to leave, and this year may be the case."

That tells me he is gone but WCE might just be in the mix???? 

I hope that's not the case because let's be honest we will get a [censored] load more from Freo than WCE 

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:40, SFebes said:

GAWN

to the max !!

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:41, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Josh Mahoney on Trade Radio just now

 - Jesse has some thinking to do over the next few days

 - Jesse having a few conversions and will come back to us over next few days

 - Will support his decision whatever that is, he mau choose to leave or stay

 - Have an idea of value, but didn't advise

 - Given situation with Jesse, have thought through options, including May if he wants to leave GCS

 - This year chance to balance list further, still need to bolster defence, have met with May twice

 - Link is can't afford May with Jesse on list

 - Will develop over the week, will know much more before next Monday

This is actually VERY interesting... considering Mahoney went on record saying we had cap space for 1 or 2 big names earlier in the year. 

Possibly we have a big arrival we do not know about just yet? 

 

Edit: Typo

Edited October 2, 20186 yr by GCDee

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:41, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Josh Mahoney on Trade Radio just now

 - Jesse has some thinking to do over the next few days

 - Jesse having a few conversions and will come back to us over next few days

 - Will support his decision whatever that is, he mau choose to leave or stay

 - Have an idea of value, but didn't advise

 - Given situation with Jesse, have thought through options, including May if he wants to leave GCS

 - This year chance to balance list further, still need to bolster defence, have met with May twice

 - Link is can't afford May with Jesse on list

 - Will develop over the week, will know much more before next Monday

It’s crystal clear now, Jesse will leave unless he doesn’t and we will get May unless we don’t.

  On 02/10/2018 at 05:50, GCDee said:

This is actually VERY interesting... considering Mahoney went on record saying we had cap space for 1 or 2 big names earlier in the year. 

Possibly we have a bit arrival we do not know about just yet? 

Agree, I think Joshy has a few tricks up his sleeve and I wouldn't be surprised to see 1-2 decent names as well as May here. And to think we had been chasing Gaff so what are these rascals up to, hmmm............

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