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Was the win against West Coast rigged?

joeboy
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Yes it was rigged.

And yet somehow we still won.

#demonpride

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    1 hour ago, joeboy said:

    As always , it’s not the number that are paid but where and under what circumstances they’re given

    Like the free against AVB, you mean?

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    1 hour ago, Demonland said:

    This was posted to reddit 2 months ago.

    Screenshot_2018-08-21 Free kick differential over the last 15 years • r AFL.png

    Great table as it also should silence those who continually harp on about the AFL (via the umpires) having it in for us. Sydney on the other hand...

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    Its the ones that are NOT paid that we normally suffer from.

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    1 hour ago, P-man said:

    I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Are you saying I’m wrong about the final free kick count? Both the AFL app and footywire says 18-14 to the Eagles.

    Final count is correct.. I'm saying it was incredibly lopsided after 1/4 time.

     

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    2 hours ago, rjay said:

    Agree 'Macca'...but you're making too much sense.

    I prefer the narrative that Nichols has it in for us, it's much easier to yell at the tele.

    Ha ha!

    This is a risky comment but I don't even notice Nichols .either .. and I watch our games twice and sometimes 3 times.

    I view the sport and our games differentl ... my main focus is and always has been the state of our list and whether we are any good or not.

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    49 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    Are the umpires in interstate games usually the same umpires? For example do Adelaide games usually have the same pool of umpires and Perth games have their own pool?

    I heard murmurings from the dills around me on the weekend that the umpires in this particular game were shipped in and weren't the "usual" gang.

    Family?

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    I just figured the umpires are in Finals mode where a lot of minor indiscretions are let go so the game flow is better. It was a bit surprising to find out there was 32 free kicks awarded - did not feel like that many watching it.

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    1 hour ago, Macca said:

    There are always outliers and aberrations in sport ... come to terms with it Webber otherwise you'll worry about something that probably isn't going to change for the rest of your life.

    If it wasn't the West Coast it would be another team ... in fact I clearly remember when it was other teams.  Collingwood at Vic Park for instance and numerous  other teams in numerous other sports

    And I formed my view oved 40 years ago.  I just watch the games and largely ignore the umpiring decisions.  You and others should try it ... have you ever tried doing that?

     

    Great advice Macca, and thanks for it, yet you’ve completely missed my point. Like you seem to have done, accepting unfair but correctible anomalies is to allow the people’s game, our remarkably egalitarian national sport, to fail in that very ethos. Nobody should or will ever get perfection in adjudication, in fact the imperfection is part of its unique colour. But when there’s a rank outlier, it should be called out and addressed, much like salary cap rorts. Obviously The WC free kick bias is not their fault, it is the AFL’s problem, but as an objective outlier, it diminishes the game unnecessarily. Sunday was promising. 

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    9 minutes ago, Webber said:

    Great advice Macca, and thanks for it, yet you’ve completely missed my point. Like you seem to have done, accepting unfair but correctible anomalies is to allow the people’s game, our remarkably egalitarian national sport, to fail in that very ethos. Nobody should or will ever get perfection in adjudication, in fact the imperfection is part of its unique colour. But when there’s a rank outlier, it should be called out and addressed, much like salary cap rorts. Obviously The WC free kick bias is not their fault, it is the AFL’s problem, but as an objective outlier, it diminishes the game unnecessarily. Sunday was promising. 

    A bit like your outlier that the team has a chronically mentally fragile attitude when it comes to kicking for goal.

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    1 hour ago, Demonland said:

    This was posted to reddit 2 months ago.

    Screenshot_2018-08-21 Free kick differential over the last 15 years • r AFL.png

    Great table. An absolute statistical outlier and a disgrace that needs to be looked at.

    In the last 11 years only 12 times has a team had a +/- differential greater than 75.

    West Coast have had 5 and all plus. They have never had a negative free kick year in the last 16 years.

    Hawthorn had one.  -99 in the year they played 'unsociable fotball'

    Bulldogs had one +112 in their permiership year when they got away with throwing everything as well.

    Geelong had have two (one a GF year)

    Port, Brisbane, Carlton have had one.

    Pull your finger out AFL and do something about this.

     

     

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    They do under certain conditions, as do other teams. Not an outlier, never suggested it was, just part of the variability for a team finding their confidence. Nice try though. ??

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    2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Great table. An absolute statistical outlier and a disgrace that needs to be looked at.

    In the last 11 years only 12 times has a team had a +/- differential greater than 75.

    West Coast have had 5 and all plus. They have never had a negative free kick year in the last 16 years.

    Hawthorn had one.  -99 in the year they played 'unsociable fotball'

    Bulldogs had one +112 in their permiership year when they got away with throwing everything as well.

    Geelong had have two (one a GF year)

    Port, Brisbane, Carlton have had one.

    Pull your finger out AFL and do something about this.

     

     

    Apparently we should just accept it, jnrmac.

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    West Coast is awarded 4 more free kicks than us, including this howler when AVB spoiled a mark fairly... yep ‘rigged’ and we still managed to win.

     

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    Worst thread ever and that's saying something

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    3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Great table. An absolute statistical outlier and a disgrace that needs to be looked at.

    In the last 11 years only 12 times has a team had a +/- differential greater than 75.

    West Coast have had 5 and all plus. They have never had a negative free kick year in the last 16 years.

    The guy I sat next to at the footy was flabbergasted when I mentioned this table and the results to him as he was adamant that the Eagles always get the raw end of the stick from the umpires. It's often hard to see through only one eye.

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    1 minute ago, Webber said:

    They do under certain conditions, as do other teams. Not an outlier, never suggested it was, just part of the variability for a team finding their confidence. Nice try though. ??

    You just don't like or agree with my view on impiring and I understand that ... you don't think I already know that in advance?

    My comments are not really aimed at you ... they are aimed at the 10% - 15% that might be able to change their minds on umpiring in footy. Too many are happy to fall-in and play victim ... at every club.

    My views worked with regards to drafting and the wbole drafting process and to a lesser extent the over-evaluation of our playing stocks (not so much now but previously)

     

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    1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

    Did you see the Vandenberg Free kick against the dees? Did you watch the game properly? Gawn getting held in the ruck contest all day.

    Come on Joeboy your better than that.

    This is a separate debate.

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    2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

    West Coast is awarded 4 more free kicks than us, including this howler when AVB spoiled a mark fairly... yep ‘rigged’ and we still managed to win.

     

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    I haven't watched the replay but I remember an instance in the first quarter 15 meters out from our goal at a boundary throw in and it appeared Tom McDonald was blocked by a 3rd man, but no call from the umpire. No replay from the broadcasters so unsure if there was anything in it. Anyone who has watched the replay that can comment or let me know at what time it occurred? 

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    I'm not adverse to booing bad umpiring decisions usually for stuff that isn't paid but the Eagles fans take booing to a whole new level. Being a booer myself I can recognise when an opposition has his head taken off or is clearly pushed in the back. Eagles fans apparently don't have the same idea of fairness. If they aren't awarded a free or an opposition gets a free no matter the correctness of the decision that is a cause for booing.

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    4 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    The guy I sat next to at the footy was flabbergasted when I mentioned this table and the results to him as he was adamant that the Eagles always get the raw end of the stick from the umpires. It's often hard to see through only one eye.

    Well it is when you have your pants on :)

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