57 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

While it's sad, he is coverable, he's no superstar. The only thing we can't replace is his will to win. I'm not too concerned with losing Viney and it shouldn't hinder our chances too much. Hibberd and Melksham is of more concern to our structure IMO.

I somewhat agree.  Viney's a brilliant player but we are so deep with inside mids that it shouldn't make or break this season.  He is missed in last quarters when the game is on the line but we need others to learn to step up and lead as well.  I'd rule a line through him for the season if there is any risk of re-injury.

Make sure we have Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Petracca etc together for next year and the years after.  These guys are aged 24, 21, 22 and 22 so we want to make sure they are at their peaks for the next 6-7 years.  No point in risking ruining Viney's foot in my opinion.  Max is only 26, Hogan and McDonald 23 and 25, Lever is 22 and so we have the backbone of a superteam.  I'd love to snag a flag ala baby bombers, hawthorn (2008), bulldogs (2016) this year, but not that the expense of risking long term problems. 

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

He's our best leader and equal best clearance winner along with Oliver. You want to keep playing Tyson?

At least it means that Tyson should be played in the only position he is not atrocious in. He is a capable inside mid, finds enough of the ball and gets to many a contest. His disposal is a concern (Viney's isn't elite mind you), but playing him in his natural position will help both Tyson and the team as a whole (none of this playing him on a wing or flank cr@p).

Dom is purely an inside mid, luckily for him, there is a position in there that needs filling (you'd never play Jack on a wing or flank).

I read elsewhere on the site that Viney can only play midfield - that is ridiculous.  He plays midfield because he's very, very good there but he'd also be very good as a small forward or small defender.  For example I don't think Eddie or Laird would have been too happy last week if Jack had lined up on one of them.

If he is permanently on management for this then there are alternatives.  I know these roles have running involved with small forward defensive efforts a la ANB and small defenders coming up and back in the press, but if necessary there's a productive role there with less running than as a pure mid.

Edited August 2, 20186 yr by Fifty-5

 

4 hours ago, rjay said:

May be...he's got a lot of growing up to do yet.

Hopefully the time out will help him mature but I don't think he's ready yet and believe he was given the role too early.

Jack needs to learn to take the team with him, currently he tries to do it on his own.

There were some good signs in his last game but I would like to see a larger sample of his work before I'm convinced he has turned the corner.

His total uncompromising focus is his strength but also his weakness.

I don't agree with much of that. 

I sense he's far more rounded already.  More importantly, you and I aren't really in a position to judge from afar.  

I place great stock in his role on game-day.  For me he's the perfect captain.  I don't buy into a mid trying to do too much.  

Edited August 2, 20186 yr by ProDee

10 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

See you in 2019 Jack.

If there is any doubt at all with his foot, then I'd be resting him up and getting him ready, along with Jake Lever, for the 2019 season.  No need to take any risks after last season.

However, I don't for a minute question his worth to the side.  He makes the players stand taller and he is a player who can lead and will a side over the line for a victory.  I can't wait to have him back in the side.

On 7/15/2018 at 9:23 AM, PaulRB said:

If Jack’s out for an extended period ie 4+ weeks, it opens the door for Aaron to crash his way back into the midfield, and Salem to get another extended run.

Love Vandenbergs appetite for the game as the intensity lifts, he’s my wildcard for the run into and finals. .. 

I'd add Kent to that wildcard(s) list; and Pedo, of course (it's just me) in either the backline for strengthening or as a loose cannon in the fwd line played off the bench regularly in each game. 

17 minutes ago, ProDee said:

More importantly, you and I aren't really in a position to judge from afar.  

I thought you would say that but my observation is on how he plays.

That I can see and pass judgement on...of course others including yourself and the coach view it differently.

I find him a frustrating player to watch at times as he tries to take on too much when there are better options available.

50 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

See you in 2019 Jack.

I hope I'm wrong but does anyone else think JV Career hangs in the balance??

I reckon he is in precarious territory!

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I hope I'm wrong but does anyone else think JV Career hangs in the balance??

I reckon he is in precarious territory!

MFCSS

7 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

MFCSS

MFCSS FFS!

Sadly I think his career is finished.

Hope I'm wrong.

 I just wonder what the impact of his premature comeback last year has had on his foot/ ankle/ toes

As anyone who has had a foot/ Ankle/ Toe injury knows ( As I do)

As soon as you start walking differently then that puts strain on other bones, tendons and ligaments!

Stress fractures and other foot injuries can be painful , debilitating and ultimately hopefully not in this case but I fear the worst

Career ending!

 

35 minutes ago, picket fence said:

 I just wonder what the impact of his premature comeback last year has had on his foot/ ankle/ toes

As anyone who has had a foot/ Ankle/ Toe injury knows ( As I do)

As soon as you start walking differently then that puts strain on other bones, tendons and ligaments!

Stress fractures and other foot injuries can be painful , debilitating and ultimately hopefully not in this case but I fear the worst

Career ending!

Phew.

4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Phew.

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of doctors we have posting on this board, Pro.  It's astonishing.

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of doctors we have posting on this board, Pro.  It's astonishing.

Care to speculate Dr. Hackenbush??

Just now, picket fence said:

Care to speculate Dr. Hackenbush??

Why waste my time speculating?  I have no idea, and neither do you.

8 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Why waste my time speculating?  I have no idea, and neither do you.

Quite a few on this site ARE Doctors, and in allied medical fields, as a humble ex Phys-eder. I don't pretend to know ALL 

But I DO know some things.. to lend some reasonable opinion of what COULD be the scenario!

Ummm, The Docs and others on this site Physios etc might like to shed some light and comment??

Edited August 2, 20186 yr by picket fence

6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Quite a few on this site ARE Doctors, and in allied medical fields, as a humble ex Phys-eder. I don't pretend to know ALL 

But I DO know some things.. to lend some reasonable opinion of what COULD be the scenario!

Ummm, The Docs and others on this site Physios etc might like to shed some light and comment??

You are as qualified as WYL is when he says he has a foot injury, therefore knows about all foot injuries.

6 minutes ago, Nasher said:

You are as qualified as WYL is when he says he has a foot injury, therefore knows about all foot injuries.

Ok Ill leave it there. Suffice to say I hope he comes back better than ever!

Viney might be back for the finals (if we make it).

 

33 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Viney might be back for the finals (if we make it).

 

Does it say whether they're talking about September 2018 or September 2019.

Put a sock in it Viney. Said the exact same thing last year.

Put him in cotton wool and just tell him to turn his focus onto day 1 of pre season. 

I know this might rub s fee up wrongly, but i would take the co-captain tag off him to just let him focus on his body and see if we can actually nut out 22 games from him.

Make Gawn co-captain along with Jonesy.