Changes vs Western Bulldogs

[Old Bear 388]

Hopefully Lewis gets life for his [censored] elbow

Do we still have to pay his match payments ( Superannuation)

[old55 23,593]

Don't think anyone at Casey will be much fresher than the Darwin boys after that slog on the weekend.

Bernie should come in, probably for Lewis or Smith.

[DeleteUser 638]

Out Lewis

In Vince

 

Can't think who else - very hard to make out the game on a small Foxtel app on iPad in between watching the cycling on TV

[Slartibartfast 17,297]

1 minute ago, Fifty-5 said:

Don't think anyone at Casey will be much fresher than the Darwin boys after that slog on the weekend.

Bernie should come in, probably for Lewis or Smith.

I don't know.  They did a lot of crashing and bashing but no running.

[dazzledavey36 54,947]

I didnt watch the VFL game on the weekend, but would Bake be under serious consideration just to give us that extra speed and speed on the outside on the wider MCG?

Do we bring him for Smith or play Vince ehos hsd the week off and will be fresh?

[P-man 13,366]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I didnt watch the VFL game on the weekend, but would Bake be under serious consideration just to give us that extra speed and speed on the outside on the wider MCG?

Do we bring him for Smith or play Vince ehos hsd the week off and will be fresh?

I’m leaning towards Vince but Baker is definitely tempting against a young Dogs side with the width of the ground to exploit. I’d be happy with either but would go with Vince personally.

[old55 23,593]

27 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I don't know.  They did a lot of crashing and bashing but no running.

300 tackles

[Slartibartfast 17,297]

3 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

300 tackles

There are tackles and tackles.  It would be interesting to ask someone like Misso about the relative impact of the different sorts of games.  I know I was told that game like Casey's on Saturday are one's where you don't tend to get injuries.

[DubDee 25,885]

The last thing we need is weekly changes to our backline.  We need to give them time to jel.

If Smith is OK id go for no change

[Smokey 4,389]

i thought Lewis was alright, possibly getting close to be dropped though. But I can't figure out why so many people are up in arms over that elbow. There was very, very little in that and it wouldn't have been an issue if old mate didn't go down like a bag of [censored]. Nothing wrong with a bit of niggle, the problem is players diving on the ground like a soccer player for free kicks. Sad stuff.   

[old55 23,593]

18 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

There are tackles and tackles.  It would be interesting to ask someone like Misso about the relative impact of the different sorts of games.  I know I was told that game like Casey's on Saturday are one's where you don't tend to get injuries.

Yes it would be interesting to know.

[dazzledavey36 54,947]

26 minutes ago, P-man said:

I’m leaning towards Vince but Baker is definitely tempting against a young Dogs side with the width of the ground to exploit. I’d be happy with either but would go with Vince personally.

What about JKH? In hot form in the VFL and would surely add a bit of pace and skill on the outside?

[binman 42,986]

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What about JKH? In hot form in the VFL and would surely add a bit of pace and skill on the outside?

Has his form been that good in the VFL?

I watched the second half last week and was excellent i thought. Skills in the conditions were top shelf and his 3 golas were match winning. looks fit and strong

i wouldn't mind seeing him get a crack

[deanox 9,927]

19 hours ago, Redleg said:

Certainly by me it is underrated in his case.

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Also seems to be underrated by the AFL points grading system as well, placing him as one of our worst players for the game.

The definition of pressure acts, And the points awarded for each act:

"Points are awarded for corralling (1.2), chasing (1.5), closing (2.75) and physical pressure (3.75)"

 

I'm not saying he is a superstar, but I do think the areas we struggle with as a team including running hard both ways and chasing our opponents defensively. ANB gives us both of those things.  I know he lacks in other areas.  But while we struggle for 2 way running, it seems unlikely we'd drop a bloke who runs further and harder than anyone else, and applies a constant stream of defensive pressure to his opponents. I definitely don't think we'll drop him for a player who only runs forwards, like Kent. 

Due to his defensive pressure and tackling, I think AVB is a player who could push for ANBs role (if he gets his tank up).

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[Deespicable 2,726]

It's a short selection night coming up.

If Smith is fit, then it's no change for me, because he adds flexibility and pace to our line up. Loved the way he went forward and even though he wasn't able to get on the end of anything, he's a presence in air and on the ground. That's the flexibility we need - but sadly in these days where clubs train up players for one of three areas - the mid-game switch rarely happens.

If Smith is still too sore (note he was moved off Walters when he pulled up sore when he got away over the back), then there are only two players to consider - Bernie and Wags. And if either comes back you have to also consider whether the loss of pace means Jordy has a rest up for the Cats game - which is our real test anyway.

The good news is that AVB is only about two weeks away. I doubt we will risk him for the Cats game, but I reckon the week after we regain our tackling bull. And yes he will turn it over ... but have a look at what he brings. And if you don't know, go down to training and walk on the ground near to where he is and ask yourself would you want him tackling you?

[binman 42,986]

5 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

It's a short selection night coming up.

If Smith is fit, then it's no change for me, because he adds flexibility and pace to our line up. Loved the way he went forward and even though he wasn't able to get on the end of anything, he's a presence in air and on the ground. That's the flexibility we need - but sadly in these days where clubs train up players for one of three areas - the mid-game switch rarely happens.

If Smith is still too sore (note he was moved off Walters when he pulled up sore when he got away over the back), then there are only two players to consider - Bernie and Wags. And if either comes back you have to also consider whether the loss of pace means Jordy has a rest up for the Cats game - which is our real test anyway.

The good news is that AVB is only about two weeks away. I doubt we will risk him for the Cats game, but I reckon the week after we regain our tackling bull. And yes he will turn it over ... but have a look at what he brings. And if you don't know, go down to training and walk on the ground near to where he is and ask yourself would you want him tackling you?

Surely avb would have to play more than 3 vfl games before a call up after so long off? It is worth noting that he only played 3 qs on sat.

[ProperDee 1,698]

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

i thought Lewis was alright, possibly getting close to be dropped though. But I can't figure out why so many people are up in arms over that elbow. There was very, very little in that and it wouldn't have been an issue if old mate didn't go down like a bag of [censored]. Nothing wrong with a bit of niggle, the problem is players diving on the ground like a soccer player for free kicks. Sad stuff.   

The bloke Lewis hit is a noted diver/stager. It looked like Lewis hit his upper shoulder but he clutched at his face. This staging BS is  becoming more prevalent in our game. Mathieson & Christensen from the Lions, Joel Selwood, Lindsay Thomas and Rance come readily to mind.

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17 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

The bloke Lewis hit is a noted diver/stager. It looked like Lewis hit his upper shoulder but he clutched at his face. This staging BS is  becoming more prevalent in our game. Mathieson & Christensen from the Lions, Joel Selwood, Lindsay Thomas and Rance come readily to mind.

Remember when poor old Oliver endured a media lashing due to his "staging" then we had poor old Hogan.

Has this been in the media? WHERE IS THE CONFECTED OUTRAGE

(Dons SIEGE GEAR)

[DeeZee 7,397]

I’d love to see JKH get some reward for effort, but who to drop is harder.

I love Spargo, but I feel JKH might get more if it and do more damage.

Also might be less fumbly than ANB has been of late.

If J. Smith goes out , Pederson could be valuable as a swingman , or do we have a look at Keilty or Baker?

[RedLegs23 932]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What about JKH? In hot form in the VFL and would surely add a bit of pace and skill on the outside?

For a small bloke, his pace is actually pretty ordinary. Wouldn't say his got that much skill to offer either, DD. Besides his first handful of senior games, he hasn't looked like it since.

It's a no from me.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 hours ago, Old Bear said:

Hopefully Lewis gets life for his [censored] elbow

Do we still have to pay his match payments ( Superannuation)

Are we talking about the elbow that was so bad he wasn't even cited for it by the match review panel?  Going by your punishments, Hogan should have been given the electric chair for his hit on Sam Rowe last year.

[kieranbj 111]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What about JKH? In hot form in the VFL and would surely add a bit of pace and skill on the outside?

I am actually a bit of JKH fan but a speedy outsider he is not. 

[andyoto 0]

Bugg and Baker for me.

Smith and don't care (spargs didn't do much)

[daisycutter 29,616]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Are we talking about the elbow that was so bad he wasn't even cited for it by the match review panel?  Going by your punishments, Hogan should have been given the electric chair for his hit on Sam Rowe last year.

mro - lewis $2k, jonesy $2k, hoges $1.5

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

mro - lewis $2k, jonesy $2k, hoges $1.5

Yes, he was fined for something he did to Lachie Neale, not Michael Walters.  Same for Jones.  Neale must have done something to get under their skin during the game.