Casey Demons v Coburg - VFL Round 12

[Demonland 73,916]

MASTER CLASS by KC from Casey

The Casey Demons were untroubled at home against cellar dwellers Coburg to make it six wins on the trot and consolidate their hold on second place on the Peter Jackson VFL 2018.

With the memory of their disastrous 107-point opening round loss to the Demons at the back of their minds, the Lions came out with all guns blazing and surprised the home side with their tenacity but were unable to convert goals in the early going. After Sam Weideman gave a preview of what was to come with the first goal of the game, the visitors came up with a quick reply to lead at the ten minute mark but that was the last of their resistance as the Demons kicked the next seven to hold a 43-point lead by the main break. 

With rain pelting down, it was an unassailable lead and even in the greasy conditions, Casey steamrolled on with Weideman putting on a master class of marking and accurate kicking at full forward and when he went into the ruck he was handy there helping out Mitch King who had his hands full with Coburg ruckman, Goodwin.

The game petered out under the gloomy skies and the Demons ran out 77-point winners. It might not have beaten the 100-point plus win that many were predicting but it was still a big percentage booster as the Lions were kept down to a meagre goal a quarter. 

Weideman had the unlikely perfect foil up forward in Jack Hutchins who is normally a defender. The skipper was most productive and booted three goals for the game. Billy Stretch continued his run of good form at this level and must be very close to a promotion.

The move of Hutchins into attack gave the Demons the opportunity to test out some defenders for possible inclusion into their AFL side in the wake of Jake Lever's knee injury and Sam Frost relished the conditions, standing out with his marking and speed across the ground even when the ground got heavy in the second half. If Weideman was putting on a master class up forward, Frost was doing likewise down back. He was the pick of the defenders ahead of youngster Harry Petty and Josh Wagner but one needs to temper that against the fact that the opposition is a struggling as a stand alone in the VFL.

Tom Bugg worked his way into the game when he went to the midfield and finished with an equal game high 27 touches along with Jay Kennedy Harris.

Corey Wagner continued to impress among the VFL listed contingent. James Munro was his usual consistent self and Goy Lok showed that he is becoming more and more confident at this level with every game.

The Casey Demons' next assignment sees them traveling to RAMS Arena, Craigieburn in what will be a danger game against Essendon VFL in the first of two consecutive games to be telecast on the Seven Network.

Peter Jackson VFL 2018

Casey Demons 4.2.26 9.4.58 13.6.84 16.12.108

Coburg 1.3.9 2.3.15 3.5.23 4.7.31

Goals

Casey Demons Weideman 7 Hutchins 3 Stretch 2 Baker Garlett Kennedy Harris Stockdale

Coburg Belo Binion Conn Weightman

Best

Casey Demons Frost Weideman Stretch Kennedy-Harris Bugg Hutchins

Coburg Podhajski Guthrie Exon Allan Gregory Lentini

Statistics 

Oskar Baker 1 goal 6 kicks 7 handballs 13 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 49 dream team points
Harley Balic 7 kicks 10 handballs 17 disposals 8 tackles 69 dream team points
Tomas Bugg 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 3 marks 12 tackles 125 dream team points
Sam Frost 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 8 marks 1 tackle 69 dream team points 
Jeff Garlett 1 goal 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 56 dream team points 
Mitch Gent 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 34 dream team points
Jack Hutchins 3 goals 2 behinds 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 82 dream team points 
Dion Johnstone 8 kicks 11 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 66 dream team points 
Jay Kennedy Harris 1 goal 17 kicks 10 handballs 27 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 116 dream team points
Mitchell King 2 kicks 6 handballs 8 disposals 1 tackle 32 hit outs 53 dream team point
Mykleti Lefau 1 behind 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 8 tackles 11 hit outs 71 dream team points 
Jay Lockhart 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 42 dream team points 
Goy Lok 1 behind 12  kicks 11 handballs 23 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 97 dream team points
Corey Machaya 6 kicks 11 handballs 17 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 67 dream team points
James Munro 7 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 5 tackles 61 dream team points 
Cameron Pedersen 5 kicks 10 handballs 15 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 39 dream team points  
Harrison Petty 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 31 dream team points  
Charlie Spargo 9 kicks 10 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 88 dream team points
Corey Stockdale 1 goals 2 behind 6 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 5 tackles 59 dream team points
Billy Stretch 2 goals 13 kicks 11 handballs 24 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 103 dream team points
Corey Wagner 1 behind 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 2 marks 10 tackles 95 dream team points
Josh Wagner 12 kicks 9 handballs 21 disposals 1 marks 6 tackles 78 dream team points
Sam Weideman 7 goals 14 kicks 5 handballs 19 disposals 9 marks 3 tackles 5 hit outs 139 dream team points

[Gorgoroth 13,189]

Spargo with 9 tackles. Nice.

[old55 23,848]

112 tackles

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,312]

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The stats ~

Oskar Baker 1 goal 6 kicks 7 handballs 13 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 49 dream team points

Harley Balic 7 kicks 10 handballs 17 disposals 8 tackles 69 dream team points

Tomas Bugg 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 3 marks 12 tackles 125 dream team points

Sam Frost 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 8 marks 1 tackle 69 dream team points 

Jeff Garlett 1 goal 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 56 dream team points 

Mitch Gent 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 2 marks 1 tackle 34 dream team points

Jack Hutchins 3 goals 2 behinds 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 82 dream team points 

Dion Johnstone 8 kicks 11 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 66 dream team points 

Jay Kennedy Harris 1 goal 17 kicks 10 handballs 27 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 116 dream team points

Mitchell King 2 kicks 6 handballs 8 disposals 1 tackle 32 hit outs 53 dream team point

Mykleti Lefau 1 behind 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 8 tackles 11 hit outs 71 dream team points 

Jay Lockhart 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 42 dream team points 

Goy Lok 1 behind 12  kicks 11 handballs 23 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 97 dream team points

Corey Machaya 6 kicks 11 handballs 17 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 67 dream team points

James Munro 7 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 5 tackles 61 dream team points 

Cameron Pedersen 5 kicks 10 handballs 15 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 39 dream team points  

Harrison Petty 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 3 marks 1 tackle 31 dream team points  

Charlie Spargo 9 kicks 10 handballs 19 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 88 dream team points

Corey Stockdale 1 goals 2 behind 6 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 2 marks 5 tackles 59 dream team points

Billy Stretch 2 goals 13 kicks 11 handballs 24 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 103 dream team points

Corey Wagner 1 behind 14 kicks 9 handballs 23 disposals 2 marks 10 tackles 95 dream team points

Josh Wagner 12 kicks 9 handballs 21 disposals 1 marks 6 tackles 78 dream team points

Sam Weideman 7 goals 14 kicks 5 handballs 19 disposals 9 marks 3 tackles 5 hit outs 139 dream team points

Gee they are disappointing stats from Jeffy when we are screaming out for him. JKH is more worthy of a call up

[Elwood 3184 1,362]

Casey had 69 inside 50s to 30 and won by 77 points.

On Friday night Melbourne had 68 inside 50s to 39 and lost by 10 points.

 

When Melbourne was down on its knees in the early part of this decade these figures by teams opposed to us would result in 100-point defeats.

 

How is this possible?

[SFebes 4,884]

2 minutes ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Casey had 69 inside 50s to 30 and won by 77 points.

On Friday night Melbourne had 68 inside 50s to 39 and lost by 10 points.

 

When Melbourne was down on its knees in the early part of this decade these figures by teams opposed to us would result in 100-point defeats.

 

How is this possible?

Because we’re not as good as demonland pumpers and do gooders reckon, weve beaten nobody, flat track bullies. I preferred last year when we beat Crows and WCE away personally

[What 18,810]

21 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Gee they are disappointing stats from Jeffy when we are screaming out for him. JKH is more worthy of a call up

That genius @Satyriconhome laughed  at me the other day when I said Garlett has struggled in the VFL.   According to the genius, Jeffy is going great guns.

Well he hardly got a kick again yesterday, this time against a VFL team with not one AFL listed player..

Edited June 23, 2018 by Petraccattack

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

Just now, Petraccattack said:

That genius @Satyriconhome laughed  at me the other day when I said Garlett has struggled in the VFL.   According to the genius, Jeffy is going great guns.

Well he hardly got a kick again yesterday, this time against a VFL team with not one AFL listed player..

Paraphrasing and misquoting again to point score, I said you said he was struggling when he was named in the best, note the difference

Depends on his role, you don't have to get disposals to play your role, you seem to struggle with this concept

I didn't say he was going great guns, again deliberately misquoting, obviously he is still not doing what the coaches require him to do, otherwise he would be in the AFL team

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

18 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Because we’re not as good as demonland pumpers and do gooders reckon, weve beaten nobody, flat track bullies. I preferred last year when we beat Crows and WCE away personally

Which are a different group from the Demonland serial whingers and whiners, we are a good team, but all teams have ups and downs, we will get there, we just didn't lower the eyes going into the 50 on Friday, an easy fix, like the clearances which we fixed

We have also beaten Adelaide away from the G this year as well

Edited June 23, 2018 by Satyriconhome

[Redleg 42,053]

35 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 we just didn't lower the eyes going into the 50 on Friday, an easy fix, like the clearances which we fixed

 

Disagree that it is an easy fix. You don't just put skill into players that are deficient in that area.

Against the Pies for example, we definitely tried to pass into the forward 50 a number of times and sprayed the footy.

A number of our players coming towards the forward 50 are not great at hitting targets. Tyson, ANB, Oliver, Jones, Brayshaw, Vince, Hibberd, Hunt when fit etc.

It is a skill to be able to hit a target under pressure and we are not great at it. I have said this for a few years.

We have concentrated on the hard at it players with success, now we need a couple of players with real finesse, to create the opportunities that the hard won contested ball should provide.

Friday we dominated the ball and contest and lost. That just shouldn't happen.

Also a lack of pace going into the forward 50 was clearly evident, as shown up by Port being able to find a chip kick into the 50 for a shot at goal.

Our goals generally came from the individual effort of say a Tom Mc beating the pack. That is not sustainable.

Edited June 24, 2018 by Redleg

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Disagree that it is an easy fix. You don't just put skill into players that are deficient in that area.

Against the Pies for example, we definitely tried to pass into the forward 50 a number of times and sprayed the footy.

A number of our players coming towards the forward 50 are not great at hitting targets. Tyson, ANB, Oliver, Jones, Brayshaw, Vince, Hibberd, Hunt when fit etc.

It is a skill to be able to hit a target under pressure and we are not great at it. I have said this for a few years.

We have concentrated on the hard at it players with success, now we need a couple of players with real finesse, to create the opportunities that the hard won contested ball should provide.

Friday we dominated the ball and contest and lost. That just shouldn't happen.

Also a lack of pace going into the forward 50 was clearly evident, as shown up by Port being able to find a chip kick into the 50 for a shot at goal.

Our goals generally came from the individual effort of say a Tom Mc beating the pack. That is not sustainable.

Of course it is an easy fix, we were doing it in the 6 games we won on the bounce, we just got back to the old habit of bombing to a contest, even our good ball users did it, already spoken to a player, they were disappointed in that facet of the game, when it is drummed into them to lower the eyes and only bomb when necessary

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

25 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Of course it is an easy fix, we were doing it in the 6 games we won on the bounce, we just got back to the old habit of bombing to a contest, even our good ball users did it, already spoken to a player, they were disappointed in that facet of the game, when it is drummed into them to lower the eyes and only bomb when necessary

You're missing an extremely obvious point as to why we found it easier to score against those lesser sides. Opposition pressure. 

It never ceases to amaze how black and white you think football is. Sometimes it's okay to admit that there can be fundamental flaws in an individual's game or even in an entire team. But for whatever reason, you refuse to look at detail. 

Heres the thing Satyriconhome. There's a pattern. We struggle to remain composed or use the ball effectively when under heat from the opposition. It's a pattern that has emerged whenever we've come up against a strong side who apply huge pressure. 

Yeh of course every side will struggle with pressure. But some more than others. And that's the point here. We struggle with it more than other sides and that is directly related to the skill sets our players have. And we have many who find it hard to use the ball well under pressure. 

Lo entiendes? 

 

Edited June 24, 2018 by stevethemanjordan

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

16 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

You're missing an extremely obvious point as to why we found it easier to score against those lesser sides. Opposition pressure. 

It never ceases to amaze how black and white you think football is. Sometimes it's okay to admit that there can be fundamental flaws in an individual's game or even in an entire team. But for whatever reason, you refuse to look at detail. 

Heres the thing Satyriconhome. There's a pattern. We struggle to remain composed or use the ball effectively when under heat from the opposition. It's a pattern that has emerged whenever we've come up against a strong side who apply huge pressure. 

Yeh of course every side will struggle with pressure. But some more than others. And that's the point here. We struggle with it more than other sides and that is directly related to the skill sets our players have. And we have many who find it hard to use the ball well under pressure. 

Lo entiendes? 

 

I will ignore the condescension

It is black and white, we went back to the old habit of bombing it in, from pressure and perceived pressure, we learn from it, players will get better under pressure

Football doesn't need paragraphs of twaddle, it is a simple game

I am supposed to be one of the one eyed supporters, at the start of the season, I had us finishing in 7th or 8th because I still don't think we are the finished product

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Spargo's stats (19 touches, 9 tackles) are what you would hope to see from Garlett, especially against average opposition like Coburg.  It's why Goody has continued to stick with Spargo each week and the reason Jeffy is left at Casey.

[drysdale demon 4,837]

1 hour ago, SFebey said:

Because we’re not as good as demonland pumpers and do gooders reckon, weve beaten nobody, flat track bullies. I preferred last year when we beat Crows and WCE away personally

A lot of posters gush over the players and team like lovesick teenagers when things are going okay and then turn viral after a loss.

In my opinion we are still short of enough talented players to take us to the next level. This year we have beaten the teams we should be beating whereas in previous years we have managed to struggle against them, so that is an area of improvement, obviously we have to learn to do better against the stronger sides.

I am quite confident that the team is heading in the right direction but it is going to take more time, unfortunately some supporters are impatient and I fully understand that.

 

 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Spargo's stats (19 touches, 9 tackles) are what you would hope to see from Garlett, especially against average opposition like Coburg.  It's why Goody has continued to stick with Spargo each week and the reason Jeffy is left at Casey.

Spargo played midfield, Jeff is a small forward at almost all times. 

So those stats are understandable. 

Unfortunately, Jeff will rarely have a day out at VFL level given the type of footy that is played and the smaller grounds that are played on. 

It's widely recognised that some players are better suited to AFL football and their strengths will stand out at that level. Sure Jeffy has been given some instruction whilst playing in the twos, but he'll be back in the senior side without having 'dominated' at VFL level. I imagine it'll be next week. 

Edited June 24, 2018 by stevethemanjordan

[chook fowler 19,744]

I can’t understand the push for Garlett - his Casey form has been underwhelming. Hope Kent gets up to speed ASAP. Frost has made a good case for selection as has Stretch.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

37 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I will ignore the condescension

It is black and white, we went back to the old habit of bombing it in, from pressure and perceived pressure, we learn from it, players will get better under pressure

Football doesn't need paragraphs of twaddle, it is a simple game

I am supposed to be one of the one eyed supporters, at the start of the season, I had us finishing in 7th or 8th because I still don't think we are the finished product

Here's a question. If the players had 'learnt' from bombing the ball long against stronger sides who apply strong pressure, then we'd have rectified it after round 1 when we beat Geelong 64 to 41 in the inside 50 count yet lost the game by 2 points.

What's your answer? 

Against Hawthorn we won the count 54 to 53 yet lost to them by 67 points. 

Against Richmond and Collingwood we were comprehensively beaten up around the ball being smashed in clearances and possession chains out of stoppages resulting in scores due to opposition heat. We nearly always gave the ball up under pressure. 

Against Port, we smashed them in inside 50's yet lost the game by 10 points. Again. Pressure. 

Like you, I can see a lot of positives within the group and I know there's a lot of growth and potential there with our core group of 23-24 year olds. But unlike you, I'm completely aware that these patterns emerge because of a team deficiency that can only be changed by additions to our squad that will give us a better balance and blend of attributes. 

 

 

[WERRIDEE 5,605]

22 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

Hutchins forward and Pedo down back? Is that because they are testing to see if they can bring Peds into the seniors as a defender maybe?

What happened to Keilty and Scott Drunkn?

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

Just a quick shout out to Dion Johnstone who I thought was nice and solid down back.  I'd written this kid off after the first period of the season where he played forward but moving him back has been a really good outcome.  He's showing clean hands, good decision making and his kicking is very strong.  And he's tough.

In our list strategy, we need to recognize that we will be a serious footy team over the next 5 years or so.  Players like Lewis, Vince, Jetta and Jones (who will likely go back as his career lengthens) will leave.  We won't want to bring inexperienced young players over this period.  Dion is shaping as a good long-term replacement for one and will come in with 50 or so VFL games under his belt and at a good age. It's early days but I like what I'm seeing.

I'm also encouraged with Bill Stretch's form.  If he can carry his VFL attributes to AFL level he'll be a very useful player to have on the list.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

49 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Spargo played midfield, Jeff is a small forward at almost all times. 

So those stats are understandable. 

Unfortunately, Jeff will rarely have a day out at VFL level given the type of footy that is played and the smaller grounds that are played on. 

It's widely recognised that some players are better suited to AFL football and their strengths will stand out at that level. Sure Jeffy has been given some instruction whilst playing in the twos, but he'll be back in the senior side without having 'dominated' at VFL level. I imagine it'll be next week. 

Fair points, Steve. I guess there is a small part of me that hopes Garlett smashes the door down for selection, but I get the feeling he isn't doing that at all (although that's an assumption based on the reports from the games each week). 

[WERRIDEE 5,605]

1 minute ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just a quick shout out to Dion Johnstone who I thought was nice and solid down back.  I'd written this kid off after the first period of the season where he played forward but moving him back has been a really good outcome.  He's showing clean hands, good decision making and his kicking is very strong.  And he's tough.

In our list strategy, we need to recognize that we will be a serious footy team over the next 5 years or so.  Players like Lewis, Vince, Jetta and Jones (who will likely go back as his career lengthens) will leave.  We won't want to bring inexperienced young players over this period.  Dion is shaping as a good long-term replacement for one and will come in with 50 or so VFL games under his belt and at a good age. It's early days but I like what I'm seeing.

I'm also encouraged with Bill Stretch's form.  If he can carry his VFL attributes to AFL level he'll be a very useful player to have on the list.

He seems the likely replacement for Jetta doesn't he?

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,525]

1 minute ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just a quick shout out to Dion Johnstone who I thought was nice and solid down back.  I'd written this kid off after the first period of the season where he played forward but moving him back has been a really good outcome.  He's showing clean hands, good decision making and his kicking is very strong.  And he's tough.

He’s showing some encouraging signs with the move down back and it’s great to see/hear that Nev has taken him under his wing.  Would have to be the best possible role model for any young small defender.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

18 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Here's a question. If the players had 'learnt' from bombing the ball long against stronger sides who apply strong pressure, then we'd have rectified it after round 1 when we beat Geelong 64 to 41 in the inside 50 count yet lost the game by 2 points.

What's your answer? 

Against Hawthorn we won the count 54 to 53 yet lost to them by 67 points. 

Against Richmond and Collingwood we were comprehensively beaten up around the ball being smashed in clearances and possession chains out of stoppages resulting in scores due to opposition heat. We nearly always gave the ball up under pressure. 

Against Port, we smashed them in inside 50's yet lost the game by 10 points. Again. Pressure. 

Like you, I can see a lot of positives within the group and I know there's a lot of growth and potential there with our core group of 23-24 year olds. But unlike you, I'm completely aware that these patterns emerge because of a team deficiency that can only be changed by additions to our squad that will give us a better balance and blend of attributes. 

 

 

My answer, we will get better at handling the pressure, but we need games like Friday night, the team is still evolving

Additions, like Gaff, he has handled it really well last couple of weeks

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

17 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

My answer, we will get better at handling the pressure, but we need games like Friday night, the team is still evolving

Additions, like Gaff, he has handled it really well last couple of weeks

Yeh we will. By continually adding to and tweaking our list. 

Players like Gaff will help. Overlap run is a super important skill and would help immensely in our quest to move the ball more freely and effeciently. 

Keep living in the Neeld era though mate, it's done your reputation wonders.