Casey Demons v Collingwood VFL - Round 10

[Mickey 4,672]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

It's funny. Petty was the guy I was most excited about from the off season last year.

Perhaps, it's a hang over from having to invest hope into young kids for so many years, but he seems like a Lever clone to me and given I knew what Lever was capable of, I was more excited about Petty's recruitment than anyone elses.

He reads the ball beautifully in the air, knows his strengths in terms of body positioning and is a nice kick.

Give him 15-20 games in the VFL to iron out some decision making education and learn the game style, and then he'll be ready for the big time.

I'm excited to see where the FD sees him slotting in. Can we play Lever, Oscar and Petty in the same side? Probably, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice Hibberd's run or even Hunt's back there.

I know it's 12 months down the track, but maybe Harry plays Vince's role, alongside Lever, Oscar, Hibberd, Lewis, Hunt and Salem.

It'll be fascinating and exciting to see it develop. Fingers crossed we don't have anymore injuries and Petty can come in when he's ready.

I was thinking about this today. The question is, can lever play small? Because if so, Oscar and Petty take the talls (most teams still play 2, and Petty is 197cm), and lever goes back to that third tall/intercept role he had at Adelaide but can play tall if required. 

[Mach5 4,767]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

He’s only 19 so I hardly think he would be frustrated at not being played at this stage. I believe our player management and development is now first class. Also I think he has just extended his contract. The days of players pizzing off at the first opportunity seem to be over.

 

I'm not thinking now - I'm thinking in 3 year's time when Oscar and Lever are in their absolute prime, and although Petty is deserving of being in an AFL team's best 22, we still have him at Casey. I'm thinking ahead. 

Having said that, he may force us to use Lever on a mid-sized forward, which wouldn't be the worst thing.

Still - draft for talent, trade for needs.

[The Third Eye 259]

Not Casey but I just tuned into the telecast of Williamstown v Richmond at Point Gellibrand and those Willy boys are still sparring against the opposition as if last week’s game was still going. I expect some more fireworks ? any time soon. 

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

We have a few older players who will need developing young talent to cover moving forward.  Guys building careers at Casey should not be thinking ‘I am not in the seniors this week, I should leave’.  How many games did Tuck play in the Hawks 2nds?

if we are building a dynasty these guys should be playing the long game.  They should want to be part of something pretty spectacular.

we are fortunate that atm we have Casey stacked with developing talent and highly capable depth.  We look very low on list cloggers ATM.  We also have some great VFL talent not on our list, showing the way.  

Agreed b_n... and the alignment was hurt the past few years, whilst we kept pulling players to finish their seasons around August and September.

Destroying Casey's and the supporters seasons.  IT WAS not responsible to any alignment and was a disgrace to football. Damaging the game at the grass roots level out in the suburbs.

[Whispering_Jack 30,019]

12 minutes ago, The Third Eye said:

Not Casey but I just tuned into the telecast of Williamstown v Richmond at Point Gellibrand and those Willy boys are still sparring against the opposition as if last week’s game was still going. I expect some more fireworks ? any time soon. 

The only exciting thing I’ve seen since tuning in to the game is the calm, blue waters of Hobson’s Bay in the background.

 

[Dee-licious 1,949]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

 

I'm not thinking now - I'm thinking in 3 year's time when Oscar and Lever are in their absolute prime, and although Petty is deserving of being in an AFL team's best 22, we still have him at Casey. I'm thinking ahead. 

Having said that, he may force us to use Lever on a mid-sized forward, which wouldn't be the worst thing.

Still - draft for talent, trade for needs.

I agree with you (kind of). I'll agree that in year 3 if Petty still hasnt played a game of AFL and his trajectory has continued upwards he'll be on his way to a club he can play AFL week in week out with. However, I see a spot for all 3 (and Joel Smith) in Year 3. Oscar is the one-on-one guy, with Petty able to do this as well against the double key forwards. This allows Lever to play 3rd man up and loose in defence which is perfect for him. He is able to play small but really with a zone and team defence, he really should not be playing one-on-one (which he really hasnt done since Round 2). 

Petty reads the play really well, has great hands, and from what we have seen thus far can kick and make good decisions. If he has a tank, then it doesnt matter that he is 197 and we have 4 blokes down there above 190cm. If they are able to play 90% game time and hold down the fort, it means that we are rotating our mids; which is going to come in handy considering they are going to reduce the interchange cap by the looks of it. 

 

Having the Casey game on TV was great so we could all see how the development is progressing and hopefully in 12-24 months time we will have all Casey games televised. 

[buck_nekkid 5,857]

Or:

Lever takes the Lewis (quarterback) role

Petty takes CHB

Oscar dominates FB

Dion understudies Nev

Smith, Hunt, Keilty play around these as required.

Seems like a fairly sound plan....

[Skuit 10,031]

This is an odd discussion. What do we do with a player who hasn't played a game yet three years from now if he can't break in for a game due to our all-star line-up? Lever just went down with an ACL. Our most important forward is now Tmac. [censored] happens. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by Skuit

[Mach5 4,767]

21 minutes ago, Skuit said:

This is an odd discussion. What do we do with a player who hasn't played a game yet three years from now if he can't break in for a game due to our all-star line-up? Lever just went down with an ACL. Out most important forward is now Tmac. [censored] happens. 

 

List management is all about crystal ball gazing.

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,720]

we could absolutely play McDonald, Petty and Lever down back over the coming years. I would say that will be our preferred option from next year and beyond.

With Gawn, Hogan, T McDonald, Lever, Petty and O McDonald we will have the most mobile talls in the competition and have a massive advantage on the rest of the competition.

[CBDees 3,167]

2 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Or:

Lever takes the Lewis (quarterback) role

Petty takes CHB

Oscar dominates FB

Dion understudies Nev

Smith, Hunt, Keilty play around these as required.

Seems like a fairly sound plan....

Sounds an even better plan if you included Hibberd!

[buck_nekkid 5,857]

11 minutes ago, CBDees said:

Sounds an even better plan if you included Hibberd!

Only looking at how the Casey boys fit into our back development.  Hibbard is AA standard, and probably will be for the next 3 years - he isn’t going anywhere!  (I did overlook him because he is a lock)

Edited June 10, 2018 by buck_nekkid

[whatwhat say what 22,741]

We play a back 7

Jetta - O Mac

Hunt - Lever - Petty - Hibberd - Salem

With Joel Smith in reserve 

[monoccular 17,424]

4 hours ago, The Third Eye said:

Not Casey but I just tuned into the telecast of Williamstown v Richmond at Point Gellibrand and those Willy boys are still sparring against the opposition as if last week’s game was still going. I expect some more fireworks ? any time soon. 

VFL ex VDA has always had a lot of thuggery but if it is to remain the AFL Victorian second tier then the AFL need to get real and and facilitate better scrutiny and appropriate punitive action for these off ball incidents in particular.  This is one big reason I was happy to see Gus “rushed back” into MFC and not risking getting decked behind the play by some lowlife 

4 hours ago, DV8 said:

Agreed b_n... and the alignment was hurt the past few years, whilst we kept pulling players to finish their seasons around August and September.

Destroying Casey's and the supporters seasons.  IT WAS not responsible to any alignment and was a disgrace to football. Damaging the game at the grass roots level out in the suburbs.

I strongly suspect that the realignment will see this disloyal behaviour to be a thing if the past

3 hours ago, Dee-licious said:

I agree with you (kind of). I'll agree that in year 3 if Petty still hasnt played a game of AFL and his trajectory has continued upwards he'll be on his way to a club he can play AFL week in week out with. However, I see a spot for all 3 (and Joel Smith) in Year 3. Oscar is the one-on-one guy, with Petty able to do this as well against the double key forwards. This allows Lever to play 3rd man up and loose in defence which is perfect for him. He is able to play small but really with a zone and team defence, he really should not be playing one-on-one (which he really hasnt done since Round 2). 

Petty reads the play really well, has great hands, and from what we have seen thus far can kick and make good decisions. If he has a tank, then it doesnt matter that he is 197 and we have 4 blokes down there above 190cm. If they are able to play 90% game time and hold down the fort, it means that we are rotating our mids; which is going to come in handy considering they are going to reduce the interchange cap by the looks of it. 

 

Having the Casey game on TV was great so we could all see how the development is progressing and hopefully in 12-24 months time we will have all Casey games televised. 

Good observation re the max game time numbers by the tall defenders - I think I saw that Oscar averages >90% and if other talks can then it is great for the mids. 

7 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

We play a back 7

Jetta - O Mac

Hunt - Lever - Petty - Hibberd - Salem

With Joel Smith in reserve 

Hunt will need to reinvent himself if he is to remain a best 22 lock 

[dworship 3,342]

9 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Just my thoughts. This is the third time I have seen him (twice live) and I doubt he will be able to make it at a 2018 onward MFC. Not trying to be overly critical but I just don't see him making it.

Yes you are

Doing better than Hunt doesn't cut it. Hunt has shown what he is capable of on the big stage and if he can clean up his kick and get his confidence back he is proven AFL at minimum. Baker is mature age and has been in the system.

Mature age? He turned 20 a month ago (I still have trouble with them referring to Bayley Fritsch as mature aged). Oskar was cut from the Brisbane development Squad  as a 17yr old.

So gee, yes, he has been  in the system. You really are a modern instant gratification supporter. For years supporters raged  about the lack of support and development of our list.......... take a breath and let our coaches develop a player with potential.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,166]

1 hour ago, dworship said:

 

There is nothing wrong with stating that you don't think a player has the tools to make it in our best 22. Last I counted not all can. I don't see that I offered any ill will to him, I backed up my current view with reasons why and unlike a lot have seen him play multiple games to base my current observation on. If you can't watch players and assess how you think they may progress both positively and negatively then that's disappointing for you. I don't expect him to be playing seniors now and he actually played a rewarding VFL game yesterday. I just don't think it will translate to the team we are building at senior level. I have noted that of last years draftees Frisch, Spargo and Petty have contract extensions. I assume the club is still holding reservations on Baker whilst they develop him as well. 

[dworship 3,342]

1 hour ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

There is nothing wrong with stating that you don't think a player has the tools to make it in our best 22. Last I counted not all can. I don't see that I offered any ill will to him, I backed up my current view with reasons why and unlike a lot have seen him play multiple games to base my current observation on. If you can't watch players and assess how you think they may progress both positively and negatively then that's disappointing for you. I don't expect him to be playing seniors now and he actually played a rewarding VFL game yesterday. I just don't think it will translate to the team we are building at senior level. I have noted that of last years draftees Frisch, Spargo and Petty have contract extensions. I assume the club is still holding reservations on Baker whilst they develop him as well. 

I think you miss my point, I think you are a premature.......... poster

[whatwhat say what 22,741]

4 hours ago, monoccular said:

VFL ex VDA has always had a lot of thuggery but if it is to remain the AFL Victorian second tier then the AFL need to get real and and facilitate better scrutiny and appropriate punitive action for these off ball incidents in particular.  This is one big reason I was happy to see Gus “rushed back” into MFC and not risking getting decked behind the play by some lowlife 

I strongly suspect that the realignment will see this disloyal behaviour to be a thing if the past

Good observation re the max game time numbers by the tall defenders - I think I saw that Oscar averages >90% and if other talks can then it is great for the mids. 

Hunt will need to reinvent himself if he is to remain a best 22 lock 

yep, don't disagree with that 

but in a post vince, post lewis world, i still see jones as a midfield rather than back flank rotation

i don't want brayshaw going anywhere near the half-back flank either, so really it's harmes as the other option currently on our list

who knows, we may have someone emerge in the second half of the year as a defensive option...dion johnstone, your time is now

next year we'll have lewis, and i see no reason not to have vince either given the form he's in and we can sign him on a one-year deal

but i really hope hunt does work out a way to become something more

[deelete my account 1,194]

9 hours ago, Skuit said:

This is an odd discussion. What do we do with a player who hasn't played a game yet three years from now if he can't break in for a game due to our all-star line-up? Lever just went down with an ACL. Our most important forward is now Tmac. [censored] happens. 

Re-edit apologies: Wanted to completely re-write a response:

Can't hurt to both have depth and also trade currency. I doubt our 22 will be unchanged though, and plenty of opportunies will be available. I also think that a player that's good enough to play in a senior team littered with AA players, will have room made for them as we adjust to create a dynamic where they fit in. Even if sporadically, they'll be given game time to hone their craft before they're into the team for the next generation in 3 or 4 years time. Brendan Whitecross over at Hawthorn comes to memory, gets an opportunity after some years. Suckling left Hawthorn for a better pay deal, so another player takes his spot.

Another odd discussion is how will Goodwin seek to challenge himself and the team, and challenge the competition, after we win a premiership, assuming we do. How will we change the dynamic and test some new ideas? Give new players a go and plan for the future etc. 

Edited June 10, 2018 by John Demonic