On 24/07/2018 at 07:30, Redleg said:

I think we should be targeting Mitch Wallis, who is a year older and on the outer at the Dogs apparently and will come a lot cheaper. If you can get both great.

Basically the same player as Tyson. Just has worse skills but a better tackler.

  On 24/07/2018 at 04:40, MSFebey said:

I can't find the interview now, but earlier in the season Mahoney said we definitely had enough space for one star and maybe even two. Giddy up.

If we get Gaff and Steven May you can pencil us in for the next 5 flags.

Apparently Gaff has been offered a 6 year deal at WCE and a 7 year deal at a Victorian based club. That’d have to be North I presume

Jeremy McGovern signed up for 5 years at $1.2m per year! $6m in total. No way they keep Gaff based on that?

That ridiculous McGovern deal could have been done as they’ve found out Gaff is leaving. They don’t want both to leave so they offer overs. 

I wonder how Kennedy and Sheuy feel about that cash?

  On 24/07/2018 at 09:11, MSFebey said:

Jeremy McGovern signed up for 5 years at $1.2m per year! $6m in total. No way they keep Gaff based on that?

Thats insane.

Thats the kind of contract you give to the likes of Dustin Martin, Buddy Franklin and very soon,  Clayton Oliver.

Would anyone here rather keep the cash and wait to see if we can get Kelly?

  On 24/07/2018 at 06:19, Dr.D said:

yeah, probably. i mean most of his kicks are pretty easy spot up kicks with not much risk attached. he probably cant kick too much further than 50m. I'd just much prefer to grab a key defender and alleviate the oscar mcdonald effect than to get an outside midfielder. if anyrhing i'd go for aaron hall and would almost prefer him at his money

You really don't watch much football involving WCE, do you. The guy hits up targets regularly, including longer kicks.

Previously an outside player, Gaff has taken his game to another level this year with improved inside work as well as 1%ers. If I was a betting person I'd be putting money on the double of him winning another B&F and finishing top 3 in the Brownlow.

He's exactly what we need.

Edited July 24, 20186 yr by Moonshadow

  On 24/07/2018 at 09:35, Jaded said:

Would anyone here rather keep the cash and wait to see if we can get Kelly?

I'd rather we keep the cash and give Clarry a 10-year mega deal.

  On 24/07/2018 at 08:41, Watts the matter said:

Basically the same player as Tyson. Just has worse skills but a better tackler.

Wallis has skill Tyson doesn’t. 

  On 24/07/2018 at 11:55, Redleg said:

Wallis has skill Tyson doesn’t. 

What skill would that be?

He is very vanilla. 

  On 24/07/2018 at 12:12, Watts the matter said:

What skill would that be?

He is very vanilla. 

He can handball and kick to a team mate for starters. He can make a decision within 2 minutes and not get caught holding the ball. He can kick a goal, 3 recently in a game. He can take a contested mark. He is a better player than Tyson. 

  On 25/07/2018 at 01:02, Redleg said:

He can handball and kick to a team mate for starters. He can make a decision within 2 minutes and not get caught holding the ball. He can kick a goal, 3 recently in a game. He can take a contested mark. He is a better player than Tyson. 

That covers a big group Mr. Leg

  On 25/07/2018 at 01:04, old dee said:

That covers a big group Mr. Leg

Yes but he is in it and available free. If you got Gaff and Wallis, you would be gaining better players and with experience,  to help our young midfield. 

  On 24/07/2018 at 09:31, Petraccattack said:

Thats insane.

Thats the kind of contract you give to the likes of Dustin Martin, Buddy Franklin and very soon,  Clayton Oliver.

only if you believe the "reported" figure

they are generally exaggerated for click bait

  On 25/07/2018 at 01:02, Redleg said:

He can handball and kick to a team mate for starters. He can make a decision within 2 minutes and not get caught holding the ball. He can kick a goal, 3 recently in a game. He can take a contested mark. He is a better player than Tyson. 

I don't think he's up upgrade at all 'Red'...

Just a small example of his work.

"Mitch Wallis’ decision to ignore a short pass to Mitch Honeychurch and go longer to Gowers inside the last minute backfired, with his kick going out on the full and North then going coast-to-coast from the ensuing back pocket free kick."

I think we will be looking at other avenues, he will be a good pick up for Carlton.

  On 25/07/2018 at 01:02, Redleg said:

He can handball and kick to a team mate for starters. He can make a decision within 2 minutes and not get caught holding the ball. He can kick a goal, 3 recently in a game. He can take a contested mark. He is a better player than Tyson. 

I would think so; Tyson seems to need the game played in slow motion these days, for him to get the ball away.

  On 25/07/2018 at 01:49, DV8 said:

I would think so; Tyson seems to need the game played in slow motion these days, for him to get the ball away.

he seems to think he can play like pendlebury and hold the ball as long as likes

Wallis is the last player we need.  Just more of the same.

Can anyone tell me how the matching of offers works?

If we offer a short term contract on mega dollars, say $3mill for 2 years with a verbal agreement that his next contract would be 4 years at $400-450 thousand per year. We're essentially matching WC's 6 years at $800,000. (These numbers are theoretical and unimportant, I don't want to argue the specifics, I'm interested in the mechanics.). Would our offer render the Eagles 6 year offer redundant and force them to match our 2 year offer?

Our list is younger than theirs and could probably afford to take a bigger hit in the short term and it leaves more space when we have to re-sign our young stars on better dollars. Gaff also gets a big portion of his 6 years with us paid upfront which he can invest to make even more $'s over his contract length. 

I'm pretty sure Luke Ball did something similar to get to Collingwood in the draft. Nominated a massive 2 year price for himself with a verbal agreement to accept less on his next contract. 

Edited July 25, 20186 yr by furious d
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  On 25/07/2018 at 02:04, daisycutter said:

he seems to think he can play like pendlebury and hold the ball as long as likes

I think he 'Tyson' lacks 'the vision', that Oliver has.   Oliver seems to have great spacial perception... in that he knows where players are prior to bounce.   a sort of photo-graphic memory of the area, immediately prior to taking the ball.

 

You need this when driving fast in heavy traffic...  to reinforce your judgement/perception.  

Without it, all confidence goes down the drain when under pressure.

 

He is another who should take up juggling.  And master it...  and then in the dark,  or dimly lit room.

 

The idea is to be able to focus on an object whilst moving thru traffic, or chairs...  to sort of, devide the spacial perception... to be able to focus on the ball, whilst another part of the brain focus's away from the ball, on other objects about.

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but this won't help his work-rate or running abilities.

Edited July 25, 20186 yr by DV8

  On 25/07/2018 at 02:40, furious d said:

Can anyone tell me how the matching of offers works?

If we offer a short term contract on mega dollars, say $3mill for 2 years with a verbal agreement that his next contract would be 4 years at $400-450 thousand per year. We're essentially matching WC's 6 years at $800,000. (These numbers are theoretical and unimportant, I don't want to argue the specifics, I'm interested in the mechanics.). Would our offer render the Eagles 6 year offer redundant and force them to match our 2 year offer?

Our list is younger than theirs and could probably afford to take a bigger hit in the short term and it leaves more space when we have to re-sign our young stars on better dollars. Gaff also gets a big portion of his 6 years with us paid upfront which he can invest to make even more $'s over his contract length. 

I'm pretty sure Luke Ball did something similar to get to Collingwood in the draft. Nominated a massive 2 year price for himself with a verbal agreement to accept less on his next contract. 

whatever gaff's nominated club offers has to be matched in $s and no of years - simple

it's not an auction

  On 25/07/2018 at 02:57, daisycutter said:

whatever gaff's nominated club offers has to be matched in $s and no of years - simple

it's not an auction

There's been no matching to date. Can't see a Club stopping a player who's out of contract from going home etc. If it was us they would get a better pick by letting it happen than trying to do a trade. I think they'll end up about 4th or 5th after finals. I would say  their compensation will be a band 1 which would be the first pick after their first pick which if they finish 5th after finals would be pick 14. A better result than any deal they could do with us if they threatened to match. A pretty reasonable compensation for him. 

  On 23/07/2018 at 13:38, A F said:

Paging our man @Chook in Perth. Heard anything around the traps, mate?

Not at this stage. Aaron Hall scrap heap noise though.

  On 29/07/2018 at 02:42, Chook in Perth said:

Not at this stage. Aaron Hall scrap heap noise though.

No one willing to give him a second chance?