Preseason Training Week commencing - 22/01/18

[whatwhat say what 22,700]

13 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

If everything goes right on rehab front, only one missing when season starts is AVB

From training sessions, like the midfield pick a starting 6 from this

Hogan, Tommy Mc, Garlett, Hannan, Pedo, ANB, Kent, Bugg, Melksham, Tim Smith, JKH, DJ, Spargo, Fritsch  they all bring something different and at the moment are all fit

 

i'll have a crack at this too, but first i'll add the caveat that we only really play a five-man forward line most of the time, if not a four-man group

hogan - primary key forward
t mac - primary key forward
garlett - primary small forward
hannan - mid-sized / small forward rotation
pedersen - secondary key forward
anb - rotation forward / mid
kent - secondary small forward
bugg - secondary defensive forward
melksham - primary defensive forward
tim smith - depth.,..mid-sized forward
jkh - depth...rotation forward / mid
dj - depth...small forward
spargo - depth...small forward / mid rotation
fritsch - depth...mid-sized forward

[rjay 24,887]

52 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

i'll have a crack at this too, but first i'll add the caveat that we only really play a five-man forward line most of the time, if not a four-man group

hogan - primary key forward
t mac - primary key forward
garlett - primary small forward
hannan - mid-sized / small forward rotation
pedersen - secondary key forward
anb - rotation forward / mid
kent - secondary small forward
bugg - secondary defensive forward
melksham - primary defensive forward
tim smith - depth.,..mid-sized forward
jkh - depth...rotation forward / mid
dj - depth...small forward
spargo - depth...small forward / mid rotation
fritsch - depth...mid-sized forward

I think you can put Petracca in that mix also 'Andrew'...Goodwin has already flagged that he will spend a fair bit of time forward, even though training with the mids.

I would be looking for him becoming a more damaging forward with 30+ goals this season.

Edited January 23, 2018 by rjay

[Wiseblood 24,637]

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Please, Joel Smith was/is highly rated by the FD, he looked ready to go at training

Speaking to the players (which I do), Goodwin means it, it's not hot air, you will be fit, in form and playing your role to a high standard

That's why training is impressing the non regular watchers, every player knows they have to be in team Rd 1 or it is going to be a long season

Goodwin now has the depth of talent to do this

If you want to go the other way Frost's form slipped alarmingly, he was dropped

No coach in the league picks purely on fitness and form.  That's simple fact.  Goodwin did it numerous times himself last season when he brought back players who weren't fit enough yet (ie. Joel Smith) or ignored those at VFL level who were in terrific form (ie. Kennedy).

Every team have players who are treated a little differently to others - the stars are rushed back, while those who have a line through their name are constantly overlooked, regardless of how well they are playing or training.

Goodwin will select the side he wants each week.  Mostly it will be on fitness and form but to suggest that will be the only thing is a little silly.

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Mostly it will be on fitness and form but to suggest that will be the only thing is a little silly.

Your opinion

[The Chazz 4,077]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

No coach in the league picks purely on fitness and form.  That's simple fact.  Goodwin did it numerous times himself last season when he brought back players who weren't fit enough yet (ie. Joel Smith) or ignored those at VFL level who were in terrific form (ie. Kennedy).

Every team have players who are treated a little differently to others - the stars are rushed back, while those who have a line through their name are constantly overlooked, regardless of how well they are playing or training.

Goodwin will select the side he wants each week.  Mostly it will be on fitness and form but to suggest that will be the only thing is a little silly.

I think Gawn mentioned something along the lines of coming back underdone after his hammy.

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

Get this in the right thread:

Petracca left knee soreness, looked like he jarred it. Given a good look over by the physios then limped back to AAMI (by himself). Hopefully not major but I think he’d be on light duties for the training camp. 

Nice early victim of the media buzz after the training the house down article was written yesterday 

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

As for the rest of the session. Turned up around 10:40 with the players soon to start some pretty decent going match simulation. White v Blue.

Rehab boxing: Weideman, J Smith, T Smith
Walking back to AAMI: Vanders
Walking laps, possibly with a issue or unwell?: Dion Johnstone
Running: Viney

Match sim was fast paced and aggressive. Loud cheers as Lever timed his back pedal and spoil going with the flight to knock the ball away from Hannan who was loose inside 50. Equally loud cheers from the other side when Kent and Spargo amongst others forced a ball up inside forward 50. Spargo found the ball in space a few times but wasn't as clean with it as I'd have liked. Balic is similar and also has a real art at smothering the ball.

After this it was some simple kicking and handballing cone to cone stuff that then resulted in a kick inside 50 to a 1 on 1 contest inside a box that was maybe 15 wide by 10 deep in the hot spot area.

Keilty gave Hogan a good test. Hogan was encouraged by Macca to coach the guys who made poor decisions on where to kick, which was a lot of them. The forwards were starting behind (or I guess the defenders were starting in front) and so it takes the forwards and the kickers to be on the same page. 

Hannan and Jetta had a good battle, with Hannan using his body to keep his ground then mark over the back. Petracca had Frost turned around a lot, which concerns me with Frosty. Frost only takes a few steps to recover but sometimes you don't have it. Clarry at Oscar were similar but Oscar probably kept closer. Bugg, Fristch, Harmes and Tommy Mc then rotated in as did Wagner and Perry on the defensive side. Perry has good instincts and nice closing speed.

After some tackling work the forwards and backs did a drill where it was 6 on 6 deep inside 50 and they were working on their zoning. I didn't really like this drill because it involved some big contests in the air with players backing back and other attacking the ball. ANB got a Hannan knee in the glute that had both players sore but able to continue. Wagner had a big spoil with some heavy contact. That said, the defenders worked well with each other and the forwards did a nice job too. 

The mids were doing boundary throw in work on the wing. Gawn beat King a little too easily for my liking. The drill often resulted in repeat ball ups but I guess that's not uncommon when it was one on one. I would've liked to have seen some cleaner chains of handballs but the counter to that might've been the other side was defending well. It was certainly willing stuff. Baker easily sidestepped Gawn and then did the same thing to Petracca in one series of play. Of the midfield group he's was behind Gawn and towards the middle at best in the running and he's not quite a pure kick of the ball but he looks a natural running with the ball. If we're looking for pace in the midfield group then keep an eye out for him.

Edited January 24, 2018 by DeeSpencer

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34 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

As for the rest of the session. Turned up around 10:40 with the players soon to start some pretty decent going match simulation. White v Blue.

Rehab boxing: Weideman, J Smith, T Smith
Walking back to AAMI: Vanders
Walking laps, possibly with a issue or unwell?: Dion Johnstone
Running: Viney

Match sim was fast paced and aggressive. Loud cheers as Lever timed his back pedal and spoil going with the flight to knock the ball away from Hannan who was lose inside 50. Equally loud cheers from the other side when Kent and Spargo amongst others forced a ball up inside forward 50.

Thanks DeeSpencer,

Did you notice any particulars about the game style in the match sim? Were the backs pressing up? Zone defence? Any nous in the ball movement to the fwd's or bombing it in long?

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Your opinion

Facts, friend.  I deal in facts.

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Walking laps, possibly with a issue or unwell?: Dion Johnstone

DJ decided to fight a tackle from Jeff Garlett in a drill, Jeff buried him a bit too vigorously 

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2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

The mids were doing boundary throw in work on the wing. Gawn beat King a little too easily for my liking. The drill often resulted in repeat ball ups but I guess that's not uncommon when it was one on one. I would've liked to have seen some cleaner chains of handballs but the counter to that might've been the other side was defending well. It was certainly willing stuff. Baker easily sidestepped Gawn and then did the same thing to Petracca in one series of play. Of the midfield group he's was behind Gawn and towards the middle at best in the running and he's not quite a pure kick of the ball but he looks a natural running with the ball. If we're looking for pace in the midfield group then keep an eye out for him.

Many thanks for the great report!

I wouldn't worry too much about the bolded - a fit and hungry Gawn can monster most rucks in the league.  It also wasn't that long ago that Jamar and Spencer were routinely humiliating Gawn in ruck drills.

Really hope Maxy's priming for a huge year!

 

[Salems Lot 2,493]

To those fortunate enough to be there is there any evidence of the team trialling a bit of AFLX?  I hear that other clubs have been and wondered if it has had a formal hit out so to speak.

 

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

2 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

To those fortunate enough to be there is there any evidence of the team trialling a bit of AFLX?  I hear that other clubs have been and wondered if it has had a formal hit out so to speak.

 

Not that I saw, but commonly they split the main group in to 2 or 3 teams and perform match simulation using only the width of the square and often shorten the field as well. Cutting back to 7 a side on a soccer sized field really won't be too different to how they often train.

[What 18,810]

9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

No coach in the league picks purely on fitness and form.  That's simple fact.  Goodwin did it numerous times himself last season when he brought back players who weren't fit enough yet (ie. Joel Smith) or ignored those at VFL level who were in terrific form (ie. Kennedy).

Every team have players who are treated a little differently to others - the stars are rushed back, while those who have a line through their name are constantly overlooked, regardless of how well they are playing or training.

Goodwin will select the side he wants each week.  Mostly it will be on fitness and form but to suggest that will be the only thing is a little silly.

 

6 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Your opinion

 

Well, Wisebloods opinion is correct.

How else do you explain Sam Weideman being in the team at the start of last season ahead of Pedersen?

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Of course fitness and form are important but there are also, among other criteria,  match ups, team balance, plugging holes, filling roles, experimenting and forward/future planning. Add to this the coaches assessment of what form at lower grades really means.

It is not right or fair to imply that coaches seemingly play favourites without a good underlining reason. Perhaps we are not capable of knowing.

[picket fence 17,061]

I can just see it! Season ending injury to .......... In this bulltish hybrid Carp!

[Earl Hood 6,082]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not that I saw, but commonly they split the main group in to 2 or 3 teams and perform match simulation using only the width of the square and often shorten the field as well. Cutting back to 7 a side on a soccer sized field really won't be too different to how they often train.

Watched channel 7 news tonight and they reported on the Bombers training specifically for AFLX and the footage they showed looked identical to some of our drills today I thought. As you say Dee we did a number competitive drills with 7 a side of players working in a confined space, with a lot of handball exchanges to get a man free for the kick forward to a target or goal.

Some very willing tackling in the drills I saw making it difficult to clear the ball. Oliver’s clean hands at ground level in traffic in these drills were an amazing thing to behold. And in another drill where they were kicking into a competitive and congested forward set up, Oliver took a couple of very nice contested marks. I hope he spends some time forward this year, he would be a handful for any defence. 

 

 

 

 

[Earl Hood 6,082]

 

Re the AFLX question: 

looking at the rules, the kick ins from all scores tallies with some of our drills today  where we started the ball in the full back line and had to move the ball out of congestion and move it forward. These drills were very contested, the tackling was for real. 

 

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

 

 

Well, Wisebloods opinion is correct.

How else do you explain Sam Weideman being in the team at the start of last season ahead of Pedersen?

If you want to believe the 'favourites angle that's your right, it doesn't mean it's the correct opinion

[Axis of Bob 11,687]

I love the idea that coaches have 'favourites'.

Why do you think that they are the coaches' favourites?

Usually it's for the same reasons that they get picked..

[What 18,810]

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

If you want to believe the 'favourites angle that's your right, it doesn't mean it's the correct opinion

I dont believe the favourites angle.

I believe Weid was in the team as he is talented and was a high draft pick, and the coaches were testing the waters to see if they could get an early return on investment. He wasn't ready.

He certainly wasn't in the team on form or merit.

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11 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

certainly wasn't in the team on form or merit.

Again an opinion, everbody is entitled to them

[Willmoy1947 4,081]

Melksham........and will be very competitive in the middle, second season up.

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