21 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Watt do you think?

Watt wrong with wondering watt one thinks

On 10/20/2017 at 10:09 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

Haha good one

Why not, his big and strong can run and tackle and has kicked goals from outside 50. Go Frosty......

3 minutes ago, Ugottobekidding said:

Watt wrong with wondering watt one thinks

Watt do you mean? Pray tell???????

3 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

Why not, his big and strong can run and tackle and has kicked goals from outside 50. Go Frosty......

Frost is not a goal kicker. Coaches tried that 2 years ago and, to their credit, tried for a lot longer than I would have. He’s a strong rebound defender.

1 minute ago, small but forward said:

Frost is not a goal kicker. Coaches tried that 2 years ago and, to their credit, tried for a lot longer than I would have. He’s a strong rebound defender.

Yes he is a better defender, his 24 and improving his skills and confidence , however my suggestion would be that to not play him permanently there but to rotate him every now and again. I have no issue in his talents in defense l would like to see him as a permanent fixture in the side.

6 hours ago, True Heart said:

You can bet your bottom dollar that Vince will be in the team list come round 1.

 

 

I am not convinced that he will be there. There are a lot of players that will be gunning for his spot in the team and I don't think any player can take his inclusion as a given.

Many of us here at Demonland are opting for Oscar to fill the fullback role in the 2018 team proposals. I am concerned that he makes many mistakes and is nowhere near the talents of his brother in that role. I'd rather see Oscar develop further in the Casey team, in an attempt to challenge for the ball more vigorously and to overcome his 'fade-outs' with mobile forward opponents. For mine, Tom is better in this role with feed offs to Jetta, Frosty and Hibberd.

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many of us here at Demonland are opting for Oscar to fill the fullback role in the 2018 team proposals. I am concerned that he makes many mistakes and is nowhere near the talents of his brother in that role. I'd rather see Oscar develop further in the Casey team, in an attempt to challenge for the ball more vigorously and to overcome his 'fade-outs' with mobile forward opponents. For mine, Tom is better in this role with feed offs to Jetta, Frosty and Hibberd.

Tom proved this season that he is a better weapon in the forward line and we have got to refine Oscar and Sam in the key back roles during the pre-season so that they are cherry ripe Round 1. Lever (who you didn’t mention) will provide good assistance to Oscar and Sam! ?

16 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Watt do you mean? Pray tell???????

Frost lacks in far too many areas to play wing at AFL level.

Poor endurance, questionable skills, positioning and general football smarts. For every amazing piece of play he produces, there are at least two diabolical ones to follow. Which is part of why he was dropped toward the end. He is an athlete and not a footballer. 

Whilst I can’t recall the exact numbers, I do remember that we had a problem with the quality of our entries inside 50 this year. We were nearly always competitive when it came to inside 50’s vs an opposition side, but we far more wasteful in the way we entered. This happened in many games, the first quarter of the Adelaide game in the NT is one that comes to mind and generally it’s always an issue on smaller grounds which requires smart and deliberate entries going forward.

I still attribute this problem to the way we’ve rebuilt our list. A contested-heavy and fairly one-paced list of midfielders, none of whom (bar Salem) possess elite kicking skills. I don’t have a problem with the way we’ve recruited. Like anything one builds, you need a strong foundation that will last before adding bells and whistles.

But it is another reason why playing Frost on the wing would be a bad idea. He just simply won’t help us improve our entries going forward on top of his other weaknesses. He is a backup key defender imo.

Edited November 22, 20177 yr by stevethemanjordan

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Frost lacks in far too many areas to play wing at AFL level.

Poor endurance, questionable skills, positioning and general football smarts. For every amazing piece of play he produces, there are at least two diabolical ones to follow. Which is part of why he was dropped toward the end. He is an athlete and not a footballer. 

Whilst I can’t recall the exact numbers, I do remember that we had a problem with the quality of our entries inside 50 this year. We were nearly always competitive when it came to inside 50’s vs an opposition side, but we far more wasteful in the way we entered. This happened in many games, the first quarter of the Adelaide game in the NT is one that comes to mind and generally it’s always an issue on smaller grounds which requires smart and deliberate entries going forward.

I still attribute this problem to the way we’ve rebuilt our list. A contested-heavy and fairly one-paced list of midfielders, none of whom (bar Salem) possess elite kicking skills. I don’t have a problem with the way we’ve recruited. Like anything one builds, you need a strong foundation that will last before adding bells and whistles.

But it is another reason why playing Frost on the wing would be a bad idea. He just simply won’t help us improve our entries going forward on top of his other weaknesses. He is a backup key defender imo.

Not sure Salem will make it any better or easier.

The whole team lacks the confidence to attack the goals, this and the slow speed of our decision making into the 50 contributes greatly to our lack of conversion

I would hate to be a melbourne forward trying to work out where and how the ball might come in

Total confusion..

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Frost lacks in far too many areas to play wing at AFL level.

Poor endurance, questionable skills, positioning and general football smarts. For every amazing piece of play he produces, there are at least two diabolical ones to follow. Which is part of why he was dropped toward the end. He is an athlete and not a footballer. 

Whilst I can’t recall the exact numbers, I do remember that we had a problem with the quality of our entries inside 50 this year. We were nearly always competitive when it came to inside 50’s vs an opposition side, but we far more wasteful in the way we entered. This happened in many games, the first quarter of the Adelaide game in the NT is one that comes to mind and generally it’s always an issue on smaller grounds which requires smart and deliberate entries going forward.

I still attribute this problem to the way we’ve rebuilt our list. A contested-heavy and fairly one-paced list of midfielders, none of whom (bar Salem) possess elite kicking skills. I don’t have a problem with the way we’ve recruited. Like anything one builds, you need a strong foundation that will last before adding anything else.

But it is another reason why playing Frost on the wing would be a bad idea. He just simply won’t help us improve our entries going forward on top of his other weaknesses. He is a backup key defender imo.

 

Hunt will give us some speed. 

11 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Frost lacks in far too many areas to play wing at AFL level.

Poor endurance, questionable skills, positioning and general football smarts. For every amazing piece of play he produces, there are at least two diabolical ones to follow. Which is part of why he was dropped toward the end. He is an athlete and not a footballer. 

Whilst I can’t recall the exact numbers, I do remember that we had a problem with the quality of our entries inside 50 this year. We were nearly always competitive when it came to inside 50’s vs an opposition side, but we far more wasteful in the way we entered. This happened in many games, the first quarter of the Adelaide game in the NT is one that comes to mind and generally it’s always an issue on smaller grounds which requires smart and deliberate entries going forward.

I still attribute this problem to the way we’ve rebuilt our list. A contested-heavy and fairly one-paced list of midfielders, none of whom (bar Salem) possess elite kicking skills. I don’t have a problem with the way we’ve recruited. Like anything one builds, you need a strong foundation that will last before adding bells and whistles.

But it is another reason why playing Frost on the wing would be a bad idea. He just simply won’t help us improve our entries going forward on top of his other weaknesses. He is a backup key defender imo.

i like Frosty in defense , has speed  can play is a big bodied person and offcourse  makes mistakes and who doesn't. Remember,TMAC' s kicking to  position in his early days and now sometimes you hold your breath and hope. I remember him splitting the goals this year from 50 out. and did it several times.HE has improved. Frosty will and he is still vital to our cause. However lMO l would like on occasions to see him play on the wing. You never know. Your opinion is fine there isn't an issue. We follow the same side.

On 21/11/2017 at 6:58 PM, nosoupforme said:

Why not, his big and strong can run and tackle and has kicked goals from outside 50. Go Frosty......

He can't kick..... 

Frosty will become a great player

 

31 minutes ago, machine11 said:

Frosty will become a great player

 

Personally I don’t think he’ll be a great player but he’ll play his part and be a good contributor. 

2 hours ago, machine11 said:

Frosty will become a great player

 

He is serviceable at best - has flashes and then has a fair bit of inconsistency - reminds me of a poor mans Darren Kappler (but if your great is different from my great - fill me in on what great looks like from your perspective - 200 gamer, 5 inside 50's per game hitting targets)

On 11/20/2017 at 10:33 PM, ProDee said:

1. I'd far rather another runner than a another tall.  You're aware Richmond used Grigg as a second ruck in 2017 ?  Pedersen won't be played in addition to the incumbent talls.  Pedersen was reserves bound all year until Gawn and then Spencer went down.  He did a great job, but he won't be part of the 22 with a fit Gawn, Hogan and McDonald in the forward-line.

2. Tyson and vandenBerg are not competing for a position.  vandenBerg is competing with Harmes, Hannan and possibly Balic..

3. Harmes v Neal-Bullen is more like for like, but Neal-Bullen's pressure ensured 11th position in the B&F compared to Harmes 17.  I have both in my team, but certainly Neal-Bullen deserves to be picked first.  I wasn't a fan of his this time last year, but he walked the walk.

Awesome work - hard to fault your argument.

1/ I have to watch what I say here, but yes I understand Dimmas strategy. Richmond did win the flag in 2017 so i was unfortunately forced to watch them on numerous occasion.

2/ Tyson yip I understand but I want to see more from the boy, he has talent to burn, but maybe a few injuries have set him back more than I appreciate. Vanders I just love his attitude from afar.  

3/ Neal-Bullen happy to give and take. 

Cheers

Neville Jetta   Oscar McDonald   Jake Lever 

Michael Hibberd   Sam Frost   Nathan Jones 

Jayden Hunt   Clayton Oliver   Alex Neal Bullen 

Christian Petracca   Jesse Hogan   James Harmes 

Jeff Garlett   Tom McDonald  Tomas Bugg

Max Gawn   Jack Viney   Angus Brayshaw 

Christian Salem, Dom Tyson, Jordan Lewis, Bernie Vince 

 

 

I think we'll look to hand over the midfield to the younger guys and phase Jones, Vince, Lewis out and into other positions. 

I think with a full pre season Brayshaw is ready to stand up. 

I think forward pressure will be a big priority, Bugg, Neal Bullen, Garlett, Harmes are all good in this area and with the two talls it gives us the capacity to play four ground level 

 

Backline looks great, three All Australian quality defenders, Oscar a promising up and coming defender, Jones has experience and great ball use and Frost i think will continue to develop in the role. 

 

 

Seniors

B: JETTA, FROST, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, HUNT

C: PETRACCA, OLIVER, LEWIS

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, NEAL-BULLEN

F: GARLETT, HOGAN, HANNAN

FOLL: GAWN, JONES, VINEY

IC: TYSON, VINCE, SALEM, BRAYSHAW

EMERG: MAYNARD

 

CASEY

B: MCKENNA, PETTY, J.SMITH

HB: WAGNER, KEILTY, BAKER

C: STRETCH, HARMES, BALIC

HF: KENT, PEDERSEN, VANDENBERG

F: T.SMITH, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: KING, MAYNARD, SPARGO

IC: BUGG, KENNEDY-HARRIS, JOHNSTONE, FILIPOVIC

Edited November 24, 20177 yr by WERRIDEE

Best 22?
B: Jetta - O Mac - Vince 
HB: Hunt - Lever - Hibberd
C: Salem - Jones - Lewis
HF: Petracca - Hogan - Melksham
F: Pedersen - T Mac - Garlett
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I/c: Tyson - Frost - Hannan - ANB

Magoos?
B: McKenna - Keilty - Wagner
HB: Baker - J Smith - Balic 
C: Stretch - Brayshaw - Harmes
HF: Fritsch - Weideman - Kent
F: vandenBerg - T Smith - Bugg
Foll: King - Maynard - JKH
I/c: Filipovic - DJ - Spargo - Petty

FB: Jetta Frost Hibberd

HB: Brayshaw Lever Salem

C: Hunt Oliver ANB

HF: Petracca Hogan Melksham

FF: Garlett T. McDonald Hannan

Foll: Gawn Viney Jones

Int: Lewis Pedersen Vince Tyson

On 10/13/2017 at 2:28 PM, DaveyDee said:

I've went for a tad different line-up and only listed what I think are best 22, plus Ive went for the smaller forward/backline combinations

B:        Jetta      xxxxx    Hibberd

HB:      Salem   Lever       Hunt

C:         Brayshaw       Oliver      Petracca

HF:      Melksham      TMac      Hannan

F:         Garlett   Hogan    xxxxx

Fol:      Gawn     Jones     Viney

Int: Lewis, Maynard, xxxx, xxxx

I'm revising my team again JT was really good to me on draft night - he filled my needs exactly - thanks JT you never let me down buddy

B:        Jetta     Petty    Hibberd

HB:      Salem   Lever       Hunt

C:         Brayshaw       Oliver      Petracca

HF:      Melksham      TMac      Hannan

F:         Garlett   Hogan    Spargo

Fol:      Gawn     Jones     Viney

Int: Lewis, Maynard, Baker, Fritsch

Go Dees

 

 

Edited November 24, 20177 yr by DaveyDee

11 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Seniors

B: JETTA, FROST, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, HUNT

C: PETRACCA, OLIVER, LEWIS

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, NEAL-BULLEN

F: GARLETT, HOGAN, HANNAN

FOLL: GAWN, JONES, VINEY

IC: TYSON, VINCE, SALEM, BRAYSHAW

EMERG: MAYNARD

 

CASEY

B: MCKENNA, PETTY, J.SMITH

HB: WAGNER, KEILTY, BAKER

C: STRETCH, HARMES, BALIC

HF: KENT, PEDERSEN, VANDENBERG

F: T.SMITH, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: KING, MAYNARD, SPARGO

IC: BUGG, KENNEDY-HARRIS, JOHNSTONE, FILIPOVIC

Seniors

BL: Jetta, Frost, Hibberd

HB: Lever, OMac, Brayshaw

CL: Lewis, Jones, Hunt

HF: Petracca, TMac, Melksham

FL: Garlett, Hogan, Hannan

Foll: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

 

Int from: Tyson, DJ, Bugg, Vince, Salem, Nibbler, Maynard, JSmith

 

Edited November 24, 20177 yr by DV8

Love the fact this exercise gets more difficult year after year. 

FB: Jetta O.MacDonald Lever

HB: Hunt Frost Hibberd

C: Jones Oliver Lewis

HF: Brayshaw T.MacDonald Neal-Bullen

F: Garlett Hogan Petracca

Foll: Gawn Viney Tyson

Int: Salem Vince Melksham Hannan

Emerg: Vandenberg Harmes Stretch 

Our depth is scary if we can stay healthy.

Slight preference for Hannan over Harmes.

Rate Vanders but he will have to prove he can get back to his best.

Stretch also unlucky but so are a handful of players who miss this list. 

I'd also like the ability to hibernate and wake up for round 1.