1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Gawn's free kicks and the one against Jetta in the second were baffling.

I'd forgotten about that Jetta one, WTF was that even for?

1 hour ago, Demi Dee said:

Knowing our luck we'll reach the grand final and have Razor and Nicholls officiate proceedings. 

I'd take that

The North games umpires seem to deliberately crucify us, two years in a row. Cheating maggots 

5 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I'd forgotten about that Jetta one, WTF was that even for?

I think they said he was shepherding Membrey even though he was busy duelling with another player.

It started St Kilda's run and gave them momentum.

1 hour ago, olisik said:

8-0 in the third when the game was on the line.

Bunch of dinky ones in junk time to us after we had already taken a mark or taken advantage to even up the numbers.

Against North it was 8-0 against in the final quarter. We lost the game by 4pts.

3 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I think they said he was shepherding Membrey even though he was busy duelling with another player.

It started St Kilda's run and gave them momentum.

No i don't think so because it was Billings that took the free. I think it was paid for front on contact to Billings. Appalling decision in any case.

We were [censored] over by the umpires today. When your team misses out an obvious free kick and then a not so obvious one or blatantly wrong decision goes the other way, the crows gets angry and vocal.

The further it goes against you the more feral the crowd get.

We got done hard by the umpires today and we were still good enough to win.

Another team we get crucified against is WCE, some terrible umpiring in the last few years, especially last year. This year I think it was pretty even though. But Perth games especially are suspicious 

There are bad decisions and bad non-decisions flying around left, right and centre, but if you think there is anything more sinister going on than a lot of grey area rules being inconsistently applied, you are a screw loose.

We copped the rough end of it in the 3rd quarter, no doubt, and probably also in other games as well, but if you could take a step back, you would probably see we get a good run every now and then as well, Queens Birthday comes to mind.

And that would explain why it is roughly equal in the frees for and against over the course of the season.

1 minute ago, Forest Demon said:

There are bad decisions and bad non-decisions flying around left, right and centre, but if you think there is anything more sinister going on than a lot of grey area rules being inconsistently applied, you are a screw loose.

We copped the rough end of it in the 3rd quarter, no doubt, and probably also in other games as well, but if you could take a step back, you would probably see we get a good run every now and then as well, Queens Birthday comes to mind.

And that would explain why it is roughly equal in the frees for and against over the course of the season.

No need to get personal, umpiring is deliberately evened up during games, makes you wonder why games have been so close all year..... oh yeah, that's equalisation.. give me a break. In QB game, Treloar wasn't pinged about 3 times in last few minutes from memory. WCE we got a very good run 

1 hour ago, wise said:

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

The issue is not now ,nor has it ever been about totals for or against. That's a furphy. It's about paying frees where they are warranted to us or to the opposition in accordance with the rules of the game. That's what the ordinary supporter wants but almost never gets. Fans are confused, players are perplexed and the umpires are on a hiding to nothing every single week. Umpires are needed, but we can't be forced to " respect " them for what they serve up each week. And frankly, the AFL is primarily at fault because they are preventing an impartial performance by their most important employees. No wonder people are upset. I have just been messaged by a St Kilda supporting colleague who claimed the Saints were dudded again by the umps. I was at the game and seriously, that is nonsense.

1 minute ago, pineapple dee said:

The issue is not now ,nor has it ever been about totals for or against. That's a furphy. It's about paying frees where they are warranted to us or to the opposition in accordance with the rules of the game. That's what the ordinary supporter wants but almost never gets. Fans are confused, players are perplexed and the umpires are on a hiding to nothing every single week. Umpires are needed, but we can't be forced to " respect " them for what they serve up each week. And frankly, the AFL is primarily at fault because they are preventing an impartial performance by their most important employees. No wonder people are upset. I have just been messaged by a St Kilda supporting colleague who claimed the Saints were dudded again by the umps. I was at the game and seriously, that is nonsense.

Exactly, great post.

23 minutes ago, SFebey said:

I'd forgotten about that Jetta one, WTF was that even for?

It was actually paid for the St Kilda player falling across his team mate and impeding him. Jetta was just the meat in the sandwich.

23 minutes ago, SFebey said:

No need to get personal, umpiring is deliberately evened up during games, makes you wonder why games have been so close all year..... oh yeah, that's equalisation.. give me a break. In QB game, Treloar wasn't pinged about 3 times in last few minutes from memory. WCE we got a very good run 

Fair call, harsh on my part, apologies.

But back on topic, I think there are just so many grey areas, and so many 50-50's, that it is easy to think you are always getting the rough end of it, but in reality, it is really just a case of a messy set of rules and umpires not being able to consistently apply those rules. There is clearly nothing sinister going on.

I bet if you went and asked baked on supporters of the other 17 clubs, there would be some who would share the same view as you, and obviously, we can't all be getting the rough end of it.

3 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Fair call, harsh on my part, apologies.

But back on topic, I think there are just so many grey areas, and so many 50-50's, that it is easy to think you are always getting the rough end of it, but in reality, it is really just a case of a messy set of rules and umpires not being able to consistently apply those rules. There is clearly nothing sinister going on.

I bet if you went and asked baked on supporters of the other 17 clubs, there would be some who would share the same view as you, and obviously, we can't all be getting the rough end of it.

It is Nicholls and Razor who I'm suspicious about mostly, it's just so blatantly obvious when they umpire our games. Agree re other 17 clubs but that's also my point of umps deliberately evening up the games rather than actually paying the right frees. The whole bloody league needs a clean up from umps to MRP. 

Raw end of the stick no doubt. I thought we were a little clumsy at times but not deserving of all those 

Some light reading this week.Max Gawn‏Verified account @gawndog37  

 tweet from Max Gawn. Classic. But it's good that Melbourne are asking questions to the ump department. 

 

3 hours ago, wise said:

2017 numbers: 382 frees for, 384 frees against.

Do you honestly think there's a deliberate biased against the club, or that umpiring is inconsistent and, as supporters, we remember the ones that go against us...

If you seriously think there is nothing dodgy about the umpiring then you have not been attending too many games.

At 3/4 time today it was 11:18 against us despite the fact we had been leading all day. While the Saints clearly "won" the 3rd quarter that was on the back of bewildering decisions at centre bounces.

Final stats were 20:20 - Razor and his mates clearly set out to even up the stats in the last term once we were on top. Were they biased? I don't know but they were clearly intent on fixing the stats/

I don't understand why they are untouchable. pay the umps as full time professionals. let people publicly review their performance and drop them when they've been s@#t.

It's a blight on the game.

 

IS not the number of free kicks, its where they are either paid or missed.  Missed in front of our goal or given in front of the oppositions goals.  those have the greatest impact on a game. For example the one against jetta today, not much in it but gave a shot on goal at an important time.  Either way we have no control over it. 

 

2 hours ago, deebug said:

One my friends that sits with us has one of those umpire radios, and she heard razor ray saying to Trac I'm watching you.

Once was bad enough but he said it again to Trac, would be the last player to any thing nasty to any one, so it came as a shock to all of us who were there.

You can get umpire radios?

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

Shorty killed us today. Baldy always kills us. Are they Razor and Nicholls?

Yep Tiny Ray and that bald Nichols guy who looks like a cross between a murderer and a clown, always screw us. 

If that turd Ray could bounce a footy Max would not be needing to protect himself from getting kneed in the head, hence no frees. 

Razor Ray pays way too many tiggy touchwood free kicks, as if he is saying look at me I'm the star and I'm controlling the game. At one stage it almost looked as if he was trying to get Stkilda back in the game.

It also seems sometimes that the umps have a dislike for Max Gawn, where the slightest contact seems to warrant a free kick against him.

It says it all when Pederson puts his hand over his fellow player's mouth to not draw another penalty, doesn't it?

Why would Maggots deliberately try to even up the count at the end of just about every game unless they were told to by AFL?

A topic i admire at last..........

I'm rarely critical of the umpires - except when I'm critical of the umpires - but I was only critical of today's umpires in the 3rd qtr when they were busy getting St Kilda back into the game.